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i guess looking out for a clean cbr 600 is unfortunately a no no... unless you are ok going ahead with ninja 650 the new 2012. an official i4 cbr 600 is still a distant dream

Stop dealing with such people. When you come in contact with someone who is of this type, just remember:

No Contract, no contact,
No Cash, no ass,
No Money, no honey,
and finally, no dealings, no feelings.

A good dealer has to ensure that parties don't strike a mutual deal.
For this purpose, he maintains a personal contact of both seller and buyer, to ensure that a "secret" deal doesn't happen. They can meet safely, there's no problem in that.

Avoid this guy, he's being too much on the safe side. He's definitely hiding something... Some of your requests seem totally acceptable..


@ shv18: He's looking for an owner-imported second hand CBR which has full taxes paid, not a new one. One which is imported through "Transfer of Residence" Mode of Import.

I even told him that what ever his commission is will pay. At least let me talk to the owner to find out more about the bike. He was like a bigg fat NO!!

Very true, if he is being very safe, then he has something to hide. He claimed that the bike is a TR. At first he told me all the papers are perfect. Later when I start asking about insurance and some detail, he goes wild..

And yeah, I definitely do not want a new bike.

The best part is, the dealer being spoken about here is actually a member of xbhp. You will find lots of ads of his on the forum. He was not willing to send a soft copy of the papers, let justin speak to the owner, nothing. Its a good thing that justin avoided going to Mumbai or else he would have surely wasted his time and money.

brother the same thing happened to me,aman is abullshitt person who makes his commisions i know him ,i suggest you stop continue dealing with him.

Thanks to you too.. I actually believed the dealer.. I guess you helped me out of it

No more dude.. Done with that fellow. I expected some decency in his deals.. But was wrong

This usually happens as nowadays dealers don't just work on commission. they work on margin. gone are the days of brokers. these guys are dealers. there is no way they would answer many questions over the phone. yeah - it seems rude, but that's the way it is. and it's just not about negotiating with the price. the final price of the bike is usually decided when you are on the table and negotiating with hard cash/cheque/DD.
in no way i am trying to justify this guys misbehavior, but please keep this one little fact in mind whenever you are dealing with anyone. these guys can't make out who's on the other side of the phone : a genuine buyer or a poser. usually lots of enthusiasts go to them everyday asking all kind of questions as if they are going to buy the bike (trust me - even i have done it). end of the day these guys come down to just one way of dealing. keep the cash on the table and we are ready to answer any question you want to know.

anyway few un-solicited tips. NEVER EVER ask the dealer to send you the pictures of the bike in the first call itself. simply ask them about the paper work like : how much is the duty paid on the bike. how much kms it has done. what is the tyre condition and then the expected price. once that is done, politely ask him to give you sometime to get back to him. in the next call, whenever you call, re-introduce yourself and ask him for a scanned copy of the duty papers and RC. and while you are at it ask him to send you the pictures of the bike too.
once that is done and you are sure you want to go ahead with that bike, ask him how much is his brokerage. not charges, but brokerage. if he says that it's 2% then just accept it and ask him to contact the seller for an appointment at a mutually agreeable date.
chances are he might want to avoid you and the seller meeting - but assure him that you are sincere about paying him his charges and you need to meet the owner when you want to finalise the deal.

please remember to be polite in all these times and always and i mean ALWAYS keep your excitement in check. usually it's the excitement that makes them think that 1. either you are desperate and can easily be duped OR 2. you are just an everyday enthusiast who is just wasting his time.


anyways that said - another problem with these dealers is that they tend to be extra cautious as they are always scared of coming across some custom/dri official posing as a buyer over the phone.

shanu - i am sure you have your reasons to be angry with this guy, but i suggest please don't get abusive here. and if possible please do share your experience with us.

What is the problem in giving the info on the phone if the bike is legal as claimed!!

usually that's not the only bikes they have for sale.

giving details of one - might start off with the dominos effect.

and anyway - i have realised one thing. it's always better to buy a bike from the owner - until and unless you think that the dealer you know is trustworthy.


when i was about to buy my bike - i had earlier finalised a cbr600f4i. was getting it for about 4 lacs - and the dealer claimed that the papers are clear. i told him to hold the bike for me as it was a financial year end - and even offered him a 20% booking amount for the bike. all i got a reply was that "jab poore paise ho tab aana" my idea of holding the purchase was simple - i didnt want it reflected in my books. so buy the bike post 1st april and sell it off in march (bought mine on 3rd april and sold it off on 19th march). i was really furious and felt insulted. didn't ever call that idiot again - and ended up spending more than 50% plus than my original budget - but got a great bike.

@ Samyakmodi: In the property and some other works that I have seen/ done, we have a "no deal without dealer's consent" sort of agreement whereby the parties can meet each other in presence of the dealer/ agent. And the dealer keeps a close eye on the parties, keeping their address and contacts intact with him.

So, why would that dealer (Aman) give a complete refusal over a prospective buyer meeting the seller? (A Big Fatt "NO" certainly means complete refusal.)

Indirectly, you are saying that this dealer Aman, MIGHT BE selling an illegally imported bike, while informing on the phone that it is legal?

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@ Justin: Did you see the bike personally, in flesh? And secondly, how did you come to know that the bike doesn't have insurance?

@ samarth

in property - the dealer would anyway come to know who has sold what to whom. in vehicles - that's never the case as the vehicle can be shifted to another location too.

as far as illegal bikes are concerned. i am not particularly saying whether he has grey imports - but we never know - he might have them too. one can only confirm after looking at the papers.
and for 99% of enthusiasts - looking at the paper doesn't make much sense as they do not know what to look out for and where to look for it.

if anyone ever comes across some papers and are not sure how to check their genuinity - feel free to contact me

My approach was fine. I first asked him about the bike. He said, the bike is in good condition. Then asked him about the papers. Apart from saying it's legal, he did not tell me anything else.. When I went in to details asking about the declared value and if it's DRI cleared and stuff, he got irritated. what he said was "If I tell you it's a clean bike, its clean". I know it's me who wanted the bike so I still kept my cool and asked him if he could send the pics of the bike and tell me about details like insurance and send the papers. He said, papers cant be sent.

When I told him if I come there and find out the documents are not clear, I will be wasting my time and money. Thats when he told me "The bike is not for you".

Now you tell me, if a dealer says the bike is clean why wouldn't he send a copy of the papers.

Exactly!!

Even I was under the impression, being a dealer he would allow me to see the owner and then fix it. After all what a dealer wants is his commission.

When I stressed on insurance, he said "Ahhh.. i think it might have a 3rd party.... no, it doesn't have insurance".. What do I take from this? A dealer doesn't even know about the bike he is selling or he is lying.

Well.. I would have got the bike if it was legal and got the papers copy with me for confirmation.