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    Hi Guys,
    I had my right ankle fixed permanently due to injury in accident and resulting surgery.
    Presently riding my Pulsar 180-UG4 2009 using front disc only because i cant use my right foot for breaking.
    I am very comfortable in using only the front brakes but it is somewhat dangerous and not a permanent riding solution.

    Please suggest some modifications on the same bike for alternate rear breaking.
    I have somethings in my mind like:
    1. fitting a rear disc, use brake proportioning valve, and combine it with front brake lever on handlebar.
    2. use some mods to fit thumb operated brake on left side of handle.

    Also, i will not buy scooters like activa, wego etc.

    Please consider the fact that my budget is 10,000 to 12,000 and i live in delhi.

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    • #3
      My views:

      With a proportioning valve your front disk setup will no longer be stock, so reliablity will be an issue. Risk will be higher than benefit.

      Instead I will sugest to modify the rear break lever in a way which will allow right leg movement... ie independent of ankle movement. This in my view may work well with minimal risk.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Kamal A View Post
        Hi Guys,
        I had my right ankle fixed permanently due to injury in accident and resulting surgery.
        Presently riding my Pulsar 180-UG4 2009 using front disc only because i cant use my right foot for breaking.
        I am very comfortable in using only the front brakes but it is somewhat dangerous and not a permanent riding solution.

        Please suggest some modifications on the same bike for alternate rear breaking.
        I have somethings in my mind like:
        1. fitting a rear disc, use brake proportioning valve, and combine it with front brake lever on handlebar.
        2. use some mods to fit thumb operated brake on left side of handle.

        Also, i will not buy scooters like activa, wego etc.

        Please consider the fact that my budget is 10,000 to 12,000 and i live in delhi.
        please learn engine braking, practice the skills and master them..
        Use bigger discs in front, try using wider and heavier rear tyre with low air pressures.. Keep chain somewhat tight. You may not require heavy braking at all..

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        • #5
          Originally posted by muztariq View Post
          please learn engine braking, practice the skills and master them..
          Do you understand that he's Injured & has no time to master all these skills but only has the passion to be on two wheels that has a motor in-between?

          Originally posted by muztariq View Post
          Use bigger discs in front, try using wider and heavier rear tyre with low air pressures.. Keep chain somewhat tight. You may not require heavy braking at all..
          How feasible is to use bigger discs on Pulsar in India & how reliable is it? We don't live in Indonesia or Thailand to get us plenty of AFM spares & accessories. With the limited resources that we have it boils down to one thing "Reliability" Will it be with all that what you've mentioned??

          @ Kamal, You're a serious Lion Hearted guy man. With regards to the query posted, recently my close Pal who is into stunting modified his 180's Drum brakes with a cable actuated lever that sits next to the front brake lever, so it will be his choice to brake whatever he wants for stunts. I would suggest you to try something like that. By the mean time, I'll also try capturing some pics of the same & post it. Take care.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by dual disc 200 View Post
            Do you understand that he's Injured & has no time to master all these skills but only has the passion to be on two wheels that has a motor in-between?



            How feasible is to use bigger discs on Pulsar in India & how reliable is it? We don't live in Indonesia or Thailand to get us plenty of AFM spares & accessories. With the limited resources that we have it boils down to one thing "Reliability" Will it be with all that what you've mentioned??

            @ Kamal, You're a serious Lion Hearted guy man. With regards to the query posted, recently my close Pal who is into stunting modified his 180's Drum brakes with a cable actuated lever that sits next to the front brake lever, so it will be his choice to brake whatever he wants for stunts. I would suggest you to try something like that. By the mean time, I'll also try capturing some pics of the same & post it. Take care.
            ?? Wt. ??
            He is not recently injured.. He is riding from quite sometime it seems..
            I really appreciate his riding passion. Just mentioned to the best of my knowledge.. May be he not aware of engine braking. And regarding bigger discs.. Even a fazers disc is bigger than a pulsars.. Any part time 'indian' mechanic can put them in!

            Do your job of helping others.. Let the requester decide whats feasible or not.. He has unfortunately injured his foot, not his brain.. So, he does not require self acclaimed advocates like you!!!!

            And ofcourse this is not the final solution, as i am not aware of mods hence just mentioned what i think was relevant.. Hope he gets the required mod by someone using it..
            Last edited by muztariq; 04-27-2012, 06:58 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by muztariq View Post
              please learn engine braking, practice the skills and master them..
              Use bigger discs in front, try using wider and heavier rear tyre with low air pressures.. Keep chain somewhat tight. You may not require heavy braking at all..
              None of that will help if he has to brake in the wet / gravel. And you also shouldn't use front brakes in such situations. There are 2-3 ways I could think of

              1. Using a cable operated brake like Activa Combi-braking where cable for both brakes are connected to both levers. So, when you squeeze the front brake lever, you also brake using rear brakes. The only thing you lose is to apply each brake individually.

              2. Move brake lever from under the right foot to under the left foot, below the gear shifter. Gear shifter has limited travel, so the 2 won't get entangled. at rest position, you could keep your foot below the toe shifter and ON the brake pedal. What you will lose in this one is the ability to downshift when pressing the brake. But, that is a minor irritant since you can always downshift AFTER you have slowed down adequately.

              This one will however need some getting used to, but at least you can use each brake individually as per requirement and road conditions.

              Apart from these, I now realize that Dual Disc 200 has given a very good suggestion. Anyways, take care and ride safe in the meantime. Try and get it done before the rains start.
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              • #8
                Ok, this might seem noob-ish but, there's this handicap guy in my college, he has artificial right limb of with he can't bend the ankle. So what he does is uses engine braking and unlike us keeping our heels on footpegs and pressing brake lever with toes, he removes his foot off of the footpegs and places his(artificial) foot on the brake lever like placing it on footpegs and presses it. And believe it or not, that guy is one of the best riders in the college. You can try this with zero expenses.
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                • #9
                  the suggestion of "dual disk 200" is most practicle and achievable and also tried and tested by stunters world over.
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                  • #10
                    Hi,

                    Thanks all for taking interest,

                    As i said, I'm fairly comfortable while using front brakes only, and i also use engine braking.

                    I need something for emergency braking and also for wet surfaces.

                    Originally posted by dual disc 200 View Post

                    @ Kamal, You're a serious Lion Hearted guy man. With regards to the query posted, recently my close Pal who is into stunting modified his 180's Drum brakes with a cable actuated lever that sits next to the front brake lever, so it will be his choice to brake whatever he wants for stunts. I would suggest you to try something like that. By the mean time, I'll also try capturing some pics of the same & post it. Take care.
                    Feeling encouraged by your comment bro. Your idea of second lever next to front brake is quite good. You have seen your friend's bike, tell me if it is possible to use both levers simultaneously.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by muztariq View Post
                      ?? Wt. ??
                      He is not recently injured.. He is riding from quite sometime it seems..
                      I really appreciate his riding passion. Just mentioned to the best of my knowledge.. May be he not aware of engine braking. And regarding bigger discs.. Even a fazers disc is bigger than a pulsars.. Any part time 'indian' mechanic can put them in!
                      Agreed, Fazer's disc is bigger than Pulsar's & R1's disc is bigger than Fazers..But is that the point?? Will Fazer's front disc be a direct fit to Pulsar's alloy?? If you are not aware of that, pls. keep in mind that it's not. To install Fazer's Rotor he has to install Fazer's wheel & cost of a front wheel? around 4k Plus acquiring skills of Engine braking & all that Blah..blah....C'mon mate, let's be a little sensible in what we suggest.

                      Originally posted by muztariq View Post
                      Do your job of helping others.. Let the requester decide whats feasible or not..
                      Very True, but a sensible suggestion that has worked would be welcomed by all rather than a feasibility study.

                      Originally posted by muztariq View Post
                      He has unfortunately injured his foot, not his brain.. So, he does not require self acclaimed advocates like you!!!!
                      Thanks, I know what am I dealing with now.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by w4rrior View Post
                        Ok, this might seem noob-ish but, there's this handicap guy in my college, he has artificial right limb of with he can't bend the ankle. So what he does is uses engine braking and unlike us keeping our heels on footpegs and pressing brake lever with toes, he removes his foot off of the footpegs and places his(artificial) foot on the brake lever like placing it on footpegs and presses it. And believe it or not, that guy is one of the best riders in the college. You can try this with zero expenses.

                        This is a good suggestion. You mean that i use the heel of my right foot for braking. But my injury was to the whole right leg, so i can't bend my knees more than 90 degrees. i use this method when riding my friend's avenger because it has a more laid back riding posture and my knees are fairly straight on it. Pulsar's riding posture is more sporty and brake lever is more on the 'in'side of the leg.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kamal A View Post
                          Feeling encouraged by your comment bro. Your idea of second lever next to front brake is quite good. You have seen your friend's bike, tell me if it is possible to use both levers simultaneously.
                          I'm just helping a fellow biker to get back to something what he likes the most. Yes, Kamal it is possible to use both the levers simultaneously & I've seen him doing that. Just give me a day or two, I shall somehow catch him & click some snaps for you. Take care till then mate.
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                          • #14
                            I know this is a ridiculous suggestion. But its just an idea. You can see how feasible you find it.

                            If your bike has a toe shifter, then would it be possible to fit the rear brake lever on the left. So that you can use your left heel to engage the rear brake. I don't know how much play a drum brake lever has, but a disk brake like on my 220 has hardly any play. And I would easily be able to use such brake lever with my heel, instead of the ball of my foot.

                            Again this is just a random thought of the top of my head.
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                            • #15
                              or you can just tap a hydraulic line from the front master cylinder & connect it with a rear disk brake that way you'll get a 100%-100% brake force distribution betn the font & rear.
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