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**Sunny** · 10-31-2008, 08:13 AM

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I would say good choice. According to me there are only two bikes currently in India that can seamlessly transform into city commuters, tourers, stunters, and if you will, milk can delivery vehicles

- Karizma and the P220.

So thumbs up!

**Aryan** · 10-31-2008, 09:30 AM

Good decision, but have you given a passing thought to the P-200?

But, perhaps you want a FI machine..

**prakash_mvpa** · 10-31-2008, 09:38 AM

good choice.last I heard P200 gives a good competition to P220

.and even P220 will feel strained at 110kmph.No ZMA?spares availability I suppose?

**kamal0582** · 10-31-2008, 09:42 AM

indeed p220 is a very capable machine go a head with your decision mate..
ride safe

**pranay** · 10-31-2008, 10:23 AM

though its your first post, it seems you have read through the P220 logs. Well, brother, all I can say is :- right choice!

As Sunny, said, P220 and ZMA are the two machines that has multiple faces and facets along with it. You don't have to worry about power delivery till 110 kmph. This one does it seamlessly till 120(speedo)

-- after that you hit the wind-wall.

The suspension is better than the 150/180 because of the elliptical swing arm, while going over pot-holes it does offer a better cushion. Switchgear is of top-notch, better than the ZMA for sure.

Yes, the engine does give vibes at 80-90+ speeds in the beginning but in my case, it has smoothened out, especially after running on Motul 300V for around 1000 kms. Of course, it is nowhere as refined as, say, an R15, ZMA or Unicorn engines.

About color, well, I too liked silver, but I had other plans in mind...

**montiez** · 10-31-2008, 11:48 AM

I took a test drive for P200 but found the riding position to be inferior to P220. Also, since I was going with a pulsar I though why not go the Fi-way. In 70k range, I'd prefer Zma.

I'll admit, I was really really torn between Zma and P220. It was Zma's inadeqaute horn, lights and spartan switchgear that put off. I thought though the engine would be more smooth in it, the overall package of P220 was more appealing. I know, some of you have changed these on their Zma but I won't get the time to do it later.

Maybe if HH made some minor upgrades, I would've gone with it.

Could you guys tell me if Bajaj use normal quality paint on these bikes(P200/P220). Would silver be a good choice if I want to keep the bike for 2-3 years?

**pranay** · 10-31-2008, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by montiez View Post

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Could you guys tell me if Bajaj use normal quality paint on these bikes(P200/P220). Would silver be a good choice if I want to keep the bike for 2-3 years?...

As far as paint on the body goes, they are of good quality.

Silver is a low-maintenance color. They don't look as dirty as other colors when dust sticks on. But at the same time, it doesn't looks as vibrant as other colors, and it doesn't reflect color as much.

**niks_devil666** · 10-31-2008, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by montiez View Post

Would silver be a good choice if I want to keep the bike for 2-3 years?

Silver is good for 200 as there is a contrast with black , for 220 it looks bland. (IMO)

**vinfreak** · 10-31-2008, 03:16 PM

Hey..i have been in your position for quite sometime now..220 is truly a good package for that price..the only negative is the refinement. Zma scores there but is a let down as a whole package..its a 5 yr old model they are selling..
220 is surely a good choice..i have heard that they are coming out with a newer version of 220..with handle mounted mirrors..white LCD backlite and some mods to the exhaust..plz check with your showroom fellas on the same.
As far as my desicion is concerned..i have put it on hold till Jan 09..depending on whats available then i would be buying it..some news have it that Zma FI is gonna hit the scene in dec..True or False..i would be on new wheels in the new year!!

**Speed Pujari** · 10-31-2008, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by montiez View Post

Pulsar 220: Really found the lights, suspension, riding position, switchgear to be far better than Karizma. Also, FI tech. did influence the decision and after reading Payeng, Prafultripathy, MG and several others decided that 220 did have better power delivery than the Honda mill.

!!

Had u been checked the problems with P220 THOROUGHLY , u wouldn't have opted for it..
Putting 90k odd bucks , nobody will say their curd is sour.(at least something similar happened to me when I bought avenger)

Nothing to demoralise u dude, just the fact, ZMA would have been a 100 times better choice keeping the quality and reliability in place.

I personally know three guys who had been riding this bike for past 1 year and they end up in Auto service more number of times than any GTGs

..
They are hunting for buyers now (the bike is still in warranty period

).

The bike had been broken down n number of times due to n different reasons, most frequent being the wiring failure and fuse blow up.

**prakash_mvpa** · 10-31-2008, 03:34 PM

bajaj unfortunately lacks the refinement on metallurgy(engine parts) which JAP bike manufacturer's have 3-4 decades back.bajaj bikes starts coughing when it reaches 40K.me ,being a P180 dts-i owner can vouch this.

There - ZMA although 5 years old ,rocks with its refinement.ZMA will be a huge hit(it is not with all!) ,if they manage to bring the mileage figure more consistent.

**RAKHSUP 26** · 10-31-2008, 03:50 PM

Mate If u like nakhrewali then go for 220.

Well i do ..

P220 is a good choice. But i would suggest u try n get a test ride of all these bikes before u make a choice. Aftr all its ur hard earned money.

Silver color with balck theme is 10/10 (you may have to shell out extra Rs.2500 for the black theme) ..Check out pranay's bike looks cool. If u give her a good regular wash n then some cosmetics like Carnuba or Turtle wax..etc. then u dont have to worry much about the color fading..

Cheers.. Happy riding

**pranay** · 10-31-2008, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by Speed Pujari View Post

.... ZMA would have been a 100 times better choice keeping the quality and reliability in place....

....I personally know three guys who had been riding this bike for past 1 year and they end up in Auto service more number of times than any GTGs

..
....

We also personally know people who have done thousands of kms trips without facing issues ( like payeng)

We also know people who have faced fused tail lights the day they bought the ZMA. Its not only mileage that some ZMAs has issues about.

How the owner handles his bike is also important. You can still find well-maintained P-150 classics in the market. There are 220 owners that have done more than 25000 kms with only small niggles.

Originally posted by prakash_mvpa View Post

....when it reaches 40K.me ,being a P180 dts-i owner can vouch this.

....

There was a thread in XBhp itself about a ZMA owner facing serious engine issues after 25000 in the odo.

We cannot generalize bike models because of individual problems. Any other maker can have problems with any model. Yes, honda engines are more refined than Bajaj's for sure. But that doesn't mean honda engines run lakhs of kms without probs and Bajaj bikes breaks down every other km.

PS: I am not starting a brand war. For me both ZMA and P220 are beautiful bikes. I just think that the ZMA needs to be upgraded (non-aesthetically) with a stronger engine to give 220 a serious complex. As of now, the ZMA has aged.

**prakash_mvpa** · 10-31-2008, 04:05 PM

the guy might have been thoroughly confused by all the suggestions we had here

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