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**Aryan** · 12-10-2008, 03:22 PM

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**atul_the_rider** · 12-10-2008, 03:26 PM

@Aryan: Thanks a lot.

I have read threads related to FZ-16 and RTR both. The only thing i wanted to know was about P180...whether it is on the verge of phase out or not. i searched the net but did not find any info on this...hence thought of posting a query here.

**haxor** · 12-10-2008, 03:35 PM

dude what are your requirements ..i mean to say that performance important , milegae , comfort , bike for touring? for dragging for powerful engine?

and as i can see fz16 which cost around 74k inr otr i think you can get p200 with that amount of money....
i would prefer apache rtr fi

**DriftKingNT** · 12-10-2008, 03:43 PM

FZ or RTR Fi.

**atul_the_rider** · 12-10-2008, 03:44 PM

The purpose of bike:
Mainly city riding and weekend touring (including occasional long rides of around 500 kms).

The requirements:
1. Light on weight and of course on wallet.

2. Good pillion comfort (as I travel with my better half most of the time for long rides)
3. The bike should easliy cross 100-110 kmph mark.

Actually I have test ridden all three. I would have loved to go for Apache RTR but the sitting posture is very crouched for a person like me ( i am only 5 feet tall). Hence left with only 2 choices FZ 16 and P180. Of late I have heard a lot about Yamaha's service centre prob and FZ's mileage is also not upto the mark.
Now the only question remaining is whether P180 is scheduled for a phase out or not? If it is not then I can think about it or else will have to go for FZ-16.

**haxor** · 12-10-2008, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by atul_the_rider View Post

The purpose of bike:
Mainly city riding and weekend touring (including occasional long rides of around 500 kms).

The requirements:
1. Light on weight and of course on wallet.

2. Good pillion comfort (as I travel with my better half most of the time for long rides)
3. The bike should easliy cross 100-110 kmph mark.

Actually I have test ridden all three. I would have loved to go for Apache RTR but the sitting posture is very crouched for a person like me ( i am only 5 feet tall). Hence left with only 2 choices FZ 16 and P180. Of late I have heard a lot about Yamaha's service centre prob and FZ's mileage is also not upto the mark.
Now the only question remaining is whether P180 is scheduled for a phase out or not? If it is not then I can think about it or else will have to go for FZ-16.

friend apache suits the guys who are usually 5-5"10' tall so it'll suit you ..but i would not prefer p180 cuz pulsar is damn common ...but apache rtr fi is light on pocket [mileage] and maintainence cost..and it'll suit my bro is 5"4' and he is riding apache refresh it suits him.. aith his height..

**shadez** · 12-10-2008, 05:44 PM

@atul: havent heard of a phase out of p180. no official announcements that i am aware of. and its still selling good numbers so i personally dont think it will happen soon.

180 - is good enough bike. its been around long so people know about it anyways. only problem is, its 'common'. but if you can live with it then...
going 100+ 'easily' would be a problem! engine refinement is not that great.

fz16 - this is a good one. new in market so it needs some time to settle down. and best part is that you can handle it good if you are short. i am 5'7 and keeping your foot on ground is easier on fz than 180.
but again, i think pillion comfort would be an issue. just have your better half with you on a test ride.

**julianpaul** · 12-10-2008, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by atul_the_rider View Post

The purpose of bike:
Mainly city riding and weekend touring (including occasional long rides of around 500 kms).

The requirements:
1. Light on weight and of course on wallet.

2. Good pillion comfort (as I travel with my better half most of the time for long rides)
3. The bike should easliy cross 100-110 kmph mark.

Actually I have test ridden all three. I would have loved to go for Apache RTR but the sitting posture is very crouched for a person like me ( i am only 5 feet tall). Hence left with only 2 choices FZ 16 and P180. Of late I have heard a lot about Yamaha's service centre prob and FZ's mileage is also not upto the mark.
Now the only question remaining is whether P180 is scheduled for a phase out or not? If it is not then I can think about it or else will have to go for FZ-16.

I'm short-statured too and found the FZ to be easier to handle when stopped. The rtr and the pulsar are more or less on par but the rtr has a wider seat than the pulsar which is more of a problem for shorter riders. on the move, however, nothing beats the ergos of the rtr.

the rtr is not very comfortable for pillions, the FZ even less, but the pulsar is pretty good in this regard.

anyways, why would you want a pulsar 180 ? the 200 is a much, MUCH more sorted bike both in terms of ergos and refinement.

wrt poor yamaha service, i don't think anything can be worse than tvs. this is in bombay, heard its better down south.

**Samarth 619** · 12-10-2008, 05:54 PM

P180 is fine, if gear changing is something you can do repetitively ...

FZ16 may not be quite fun on those weekend rides ... no wind protection, slightly undergeared feeling, etc..

The only problem (if you call it that) is that Pulsar's footrests are not Rear Set /// I feel it may not be a problem for you ...

I get tired on long city commutes - Handlebars are lower, Rear sets are forward! Damn! ... P180's disadvantage!

I drove the 2 bikes (except Fi) & own the Pulsar 180 ...

**atul_the_rider** · 12-10-2008, 06:06 PM

thats the exact problem (just like a deadlock

)...

RTR: I am not comfortable as i have to lean forward too much which will put pressure on my back.

FZ-16: My pillion may not feel comfortable (i still have to ride it with pillion) and servicing issue.

Pulsar 180: it has a bit outdated feeling and also reliability (of parts) is an issue.

So, finally i am coming to the conclusion that I will test ride both RTR and FZ again with and without pillion. And the results will decide my steed...(my mind says FZ-16 and wallet says RTR

).

@ all: thanks a lot for your responses...these are going to help me for sure.

**Joel** · 12-10-2008, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

P180 would be better here ... RTR Fi is also fine, if gear changing is something you can do repetitively ...

FZ16 may not be quite fun on those weekend rides ... no wind protection, slightly undergeared feeling,

The only problem (if you call it that) is that Pulsar's footrests are not Rear Set /// I feel it may not b a problem for you ...

I drove the 2 bikes (except Fi) & own the Pulsar 180 ...

Mod edit: Chill Joel. I know you can refute this in a better way.. if you want to that is..

**javed** · 12-10-2008, 07:35 PM

Atul - Why did you leave out SUZUKI GS 150 R?

Of course, it will be launched by February'09, if you can wait that long.

Except for your height - I think this Bike has got all the requirements you've mentioned. But do have a test drive since it runs on 18" wheels and P 180 runs on 17" wheels.

**vinfreak** · 12-10-2008, 08:21 PM

Suzuki GSR 150 wuld be a good option to consider, taking in mind the refinement that comes with a Suzuki

..6 gears make it very pleasurable for the Weekend. But the bike lacks that Jazz which comes with other bike (FZ and RTR) and feels a lilttle commuterish.
Take a test ride is what i would suggest

**shadez** · 12-10-2008, 09:00 PM

^ by what i heard, gsr has a pretty good grunt and is a good bike. not that sober anyways. there is a thread on a compare between unicorn and gsr and gsr stands out.

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