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**Aryan** · 10-05-2009, 01:39 AM

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**moeed** · 10-05-2009, 03:49 AM

Dude 220 is the right choice for you! Just grab it! Height will not be much of a problem. I have seen many guys of your height ride the 220. It will just take a week to get adjusted to it. And btw you are 18 years of age and you might have chances of growing up a few inches in the future. So don't worry about the height factor.
Regarding the test ride, they don't normally ask for the driving license. You can go along with your mom and they will surely let you test ride the bike.

Ride safe
Cheers

**coolboy007** · 10-05-2009, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by moeed View Post

Dude 220 is the right choice for you! Just grab it! Height will not be much of a problem. I have seen many guys of your height ride the 220. It will just take a week to get adjusted to it. And btw you are 18 years of age and you might have chances of growing up a few inches in the future. So don't worry about the height factor.

Thanks a lot, that has put so much relief i my mind for now

I am big time confused between the RTR and P220, so 1st vote goes in favour of P220.

Regarding the TD thing, will turn up with mom at a nearest probiking showroom to get a small TD and see if i can get it.
Also, whats the gearshift pattern of the P220 and RTR180?

**dhairya** · 10-05-2009, 10:54 AM

Pulsar 220 is great. i mean especially for long distances but if riding is primarily city riding, I think RTR 180 and even FZ16 would be great. The servicing of Yamaha should not be a problem rather with Pjulsar it would be. Ask FZ owner for tha experience and they will shed light.

I think FZ is the best city bike available in India right now. Very good gearing and good torque all through. If you can make do with the console, fo for it. As for RTR 180, I do not know much. However with Pulsar 220, you can grow in it and if you take up touring later, its the best. Its the best package overall but for purely city riding, FZ is better.

**abhijeet080808** · 10-05-2009, 10:56 AM

My vote goes to P220 too!

**Andante** · 10-05-2009, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by coolboy007 View Post

Thanks a lot, that has put so much relief i my mind for now

I am big time confused between the RTR and P220, so 1st vote goes in favour of P220.

Regarding the TD thing, will turn up with mom at a nearest probiking showroom to get a small TD and see if i can get it.
Also, whats the gearshift pattern of the P220 and RTR180?

P220s gear shift pattern is one down, four up. I don't know about RTR180, but probably the same. Don't worry about it, you'll get used to it in no time at all.

And yea, I own a P220. Let me try and summarize the experience.

Pros:
* Good road grip, the new tires are much better than the earlier ones.
* Great power and capable of doing a continuous 80 - 90 km/h without a sweat.
* Brakes are decent, not out of this world but when handled properly will stop it fast.
* Headlights are great even in stock form, can't beat the projector low beam for visibility.
* Gearshift is smooth and hardly ever misses a shift, no false neutrals.
* Great VFM

Cons:
* Engine is not very smooth (still better then quite a few others), fairing tends to vibrate.
* Mileage might not be what you expect, can be anywhere from 30km/l to 45km/l with a lot of people getting around 40km/l.
* Service centers can be a pain to handle at times, but treating them with respect and building a friendly relation with them helps.
* People tend to single you out for a street race, posers hate the P220.

**coolboy007** · 10-05-2009, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by dhairya View Post

Pulsar 220 is great. i mean especially for long distances but if riding is primarily city riding, I think RTR 180 and even FZ16 would be great. The servicing of Yamaha should not be a problem rather with Pjulsar it would be. Ask FZ owner for tha experience and they will shed light.

The two disadvantages i find with FZ is the only 14PS of power and the tacky instrument console. The bike will not only do city drives, maybe once a month a long 400 kms trip to chandigarh and back where i think FZ will suffer due to less power compared to RTR and 220. Sorry if i hurt anyone but i think FZ is not vfm for me.

Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post

My vote goes to P220 too!

Thanks abhijeet.

Originally posted by Andante View Post

P220s gear shift pattern is one down, four up. I don't know about RTR180, but probably the same. Don't worry about it, you'll get used to it in no time at all.

I down 4 up, so how do engage neutral in 220? Slight upward press when in 1st gear? Was asking as if i go for a TD it will look embarassing to ask from salesman. At present my ride is gearless so it will take some time.

Pros:
* Good road grip, the new tires are much better than the earlier ones.
* Headlights are great even in stock form, can't beat

Yeah, headlights is the best i want in my bike. In am area streetlights are not also lit and its very dark to drive especially with non existent light of a Activa. I have seen the 220 lights, have a great thrrow.

Cons:
* Mileage might not be what you expect, can be anywhere from 30km/l to 45km/l with a lot of people getting around 40km/l.
* People tend to single you out for a street race, posers hate the P220.

Well anything above 35 is a boon for me, the way i ride the Activa it returns a shameful 28-31 kmpl

and with 4 litre tank am back the pump within 10-15 days. 40 kmpl will be a blessing for me, am a student but can manage 35-40kmpl from the bike. Anything below 30 and i will be sad.

Regarding street race, it will be a big problem

, cmon then who cares if i buy the Fastest Indian i have no reason to worry but i personally avoid such races whether am in a car or on a bike.

**Andante** · 10-05-2009, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by coolboy007 View Post

I down 4 up, so how do engage neutral in 220? Slight upward press when in 1st gear? Was asking as if i go for a TD it will look embarassing to ask from salesman. At present my ride is gearless so it will take some time.

Regarding street race, it will be a big problem

, cmon then who cares if i buy the Fastest Indian i have no reason to worry but i personally avoid such races whether am in a car or on a bike.

Neutral is a slight push up from 1st or a very gentle push down from 2nd. I generally find it easier to get to neutral from 2nd. From 1st the resistance of the gear box makes it hard to push just gentle enough to get to neutral, it tends to overshoot and go into 2nd. (Not a bad thing, since you generally want it to go into 2nd.) From 2nd down, there's not as much resistance and thus it's easier to get neutral.

As for the street racing thing. I personally don't do these things that why it's listed under the cons. But the P220 seems to bring out the worst in people who see it.
I despise the ***** who pull up next to me and try to provoke me on a damn crowded road. Then they realize I don't bite and they zoom off barely missing the cars they over take and generally risking their life and others in the process. (Ugh, helmetless roadkill.

And it's no matter what they drive, splendors, apaches, activas....)

**jd666** · 10-05-2009, 01:07 PM

The P200 is the beast out of the trio. But the RTR 180 will also be a hoot to ride owning to the smaller dimensions and lighter weight. I strictly suggest going for a test ride before deciding. Test ride all three machines!!!!

**phoenixflight** · 10-05-2009, 01:15 PM

If your heart skips a beat when you see a P220...well then I guess you already know she's your baby...

**Wheel_Spin** · 10-05-2009, 01:22 PM

Wouldn't recommend the p220 simply because you're still to ride a geared bike forget a geared 21ps power bike that isn't noob friendly. Plus your height and weight are things you should consider when buying a bike that weights nearly 1520 kgs. I'd suggest you stick with the basics. Get your DL first and take it easy. I'd recommend you get a RTR160/Fz and learn the curve first. I am not trying to be condescending here but have seen far too many young rider fatalities. Just my thoughts.

**coolboy007** · 10-05-2009, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by jd666 View Post

The P200 is the beast out of the trio. But the RTR 180 will also be a hoot to ride owning to the smaller dimensions and lighter weight.

For me, now it will be a very very close call between RTR and P220. Though odds are in favour of 220, still i have a element of doubt. Yes, TD will be done for sure shortly.

Originally posted by phoenixflight View Post

If your heart skips a beat when you see a P220...well then I guess you already know she's your baby...

Yeah, it does. Somehow i am attached to this bike when my dad hasnt even owned a Bajaj for years

Something from inside you know

Originally posted by Wheel_Spin View Post

Wouldn't recommend the p220 simply because you're still to ride a geared bike forget a geared 21ps power bike that isn't noob friendly. Plus your height and weight are things you should consider when buying a bike that weights nearly 1520 kgs. I'd suggest you stick with the basics. Get your DL first and take it easy. I'd recommend you get a RTR160/Fz and learn the curve first. I am not trying to be condescending here but have seen far too many young rider fatalities. Just my thoughts.

Thanks for your concern wheelspin.
The biggest hurdle for me is if i will be able to manage a P220 as its heavy at 150 kg. Am looking at a TD now and convincing mom to go with me

The only little exp i had is with my uncle's Platina when he was in Delhi.

I dont want to go for FZ for sure, i kinda hate the instrument console and tank shape. IF i had to go for a Yammy it would have been an R15 for sure, dad will not agree for it seeing the superbike looks it has

Yes, young rider fatalities are there. Due to irresponsible drivers, cutting through cars. When am in my car and see them cutting through left and right, i wonder whether i would do the same thing when on my bike. Havent done it till now in 2 years of ridin the activa.
RTR will be compact and nice for my physique but heart says its a P220.
If its not P220, then it will be nothing else than a RTR for sure. Searching for a probiking showroom near Dwarka.

**Sarvajit** · 10-05-2009, 03:21 PM

I am inclined to suggest the RTR 180 to you but you are looking for resale, which TVS bikes don't have.
If your heart beats for the 220, you can very well go ahead with it. Well maintained Bajaj bikes are a pleasure to ride, though there are only a few of them. Don't worry about height&weight, its riding skills that matter, not size!

**coolboy007** · 10-05-2009, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post

I am inclined to suggest the RTR 180 to you but you are looking for resale, which TVS bikes don't have.
If your heart beats for the 220, you can very well go ahead with it. Well maintained Bajaj bikes are a pleasure to ride, though there are only a few of them. Don't worry about height&weight, its riding skills that matter, not size!

Well Reale factor is very important as i might head abroad in a year or two if the need arises i will have to sell the bike.
Why is TVS resale poor? I have heard that there are frequent niggles in the P220 for which many times one has to visit the service centre which isnt good in itself.
Things like malfunctioning autochokes and noise from rear disks, are vibrations level acceptable in 220?

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