220...!

[ankit mishra]

hi Frens and Freaks.


i am going to buy my second bike soon.
So i need your "Ad"-vice....oops... adWise... coz only a 'wise' man can give it genuinely.

i am going through ownership pages these days.. and after much thinking i have short-listed following bikes.
* P220- Fi
* P220 carb.

my requirements are.. hummm..!
* long distance rides (over 200kms) fortnightly
* usual commutes... about 100 kms on weekends and 20 kms daily.
* riding with girlfren. (so looks are an ego-criteria)

Out of this i have to do a little of bumper to bumper traffic commuting as well and mostly flyovers and highways.


I want a bike which i will be happy riding for the next 5 years.
in case of Pulsars ... the main grouse is that after 6 months i might not have the uniqueness of 220.... but this can be compromised for the FUN of Riding.


I considered Fazer... mainly due to looks... but 153cc... ?.. ahh... it would be too small for me coz i have been riding P180 since last 4 years.

Pulsars are a maintenance free bikes i feel.

my main point is.. shall i go in for fuel injected or the carb version..
and if i choose to go for the Fi thing then will i be getting it on black alloys.

(i know Fi version is a bit slower than the carb.) but that doesn't make much difference.

or suggest me something which you think i should be knowing before buying these bikes... ?

[ken cool]

My take... go for FI

Approved

[ang]

FI is not available these days right?

[aargee]

I'm surprised. Why did they even stop the Fi? Cost?

[satan69in]

I'm surprised. Why did they even stop the Fi? Cost?
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general mentality...you have a bike more faster,quicker,cheaper,looks nicer etc ... then why would the general public go and buy something other than this...so fi is discontinued..but i think its sale per order basis now

@TS

you wont get black alloys with fi...but you can go for powder coating the alloys and engine...but that would really cost a bomb...

imo even if your bike breaks down in the middle of a highway,a layman mechanic can fix a carb anywhere but fi distinctively needs a probiking..but dtsi cant replace the purr or the initial moments of acceleration of an FI ... heck you are getting better speed,mileage and easy maintained carb than fi...go for the new one..

did you consider zma-r

[aargee]

imo even if your bike breaks down in the middle of a highway,a layman mechanic can fix a carb anywhere but fi distinctively needs a probiking

Sorry to say that any local garage mech's knowledge has also grown up. I've personally witnessed (so does 80+ odd members in this forum) during our TSG2G when one of our fellow xBhpian's P220 broke in middle of no where. He took sometime to fix, but he did eventually & delivered it.

[ankit mishra]

woww.. !

I am delighted.. 4 replies in so little time..
i was expecting that this point is so much discussed that even moderators will not approve my query.. :P

Anyways.. thanks All

@ Ken Da..
can you please write a few lines stating why you have recommended Fi.?

though even i know that in the middle of the road repairing a carb version is much easier. Somewhere i feel Fi can give me the kind of refinement that i will get from Karizmas. But repairing it would be big deal considering the amount of training being given to Bajaj mechanics.
And maybe in the long run Fi would be more durable.


@ Satan..
yup i have considered Zma-R.. but that is not value for money.. not even tubeless tyres. Though the engine is supersmooth. But gadgets are also required. And Karizmas feel dated.. They were launched 10 years back... not changed since then.


P220 has a new hood and a projector lamp.


I have thought over a lot in rejecting Fazer... though in LOOKS.. its my Personal favorite... i can keep looking at this bike for hours.

And infact I like Fazer-1000 more than R1. ... though not an obvious choice.
But 150cc draws me back.

i am going to enquire about the new Fazer... it was discussed in some of the Xbhp forums that Yamaha is launching a new Fazer. .. lets hope it to be true .

[ankit mishra]

@ aagree..

i live in Delhi where we are faced with all UP mechanics...
They don't repair things they apply "jugaad"...

i wonder it might happen that i spend extra grand buying a Fi... and after a thousand kms some mechanic comes and convinces me to get a carb fitted on the machine due to recurring problems.

[satan69in]

Sorry to say that any local garage mech's knowledge has also grown up. I've personally witnessed (so does 80+ odd members in this forum) during our TSG2G when one of our fellow xBhpian's P220 broke in middle of no where. He took sometime to fix, but he did eventually & delivered it.

yes a local can fix any bike but he cant do anything regarding the fi...without proper equipment,top level knowledge is basically useless.

[ang]

FI power delivery is linear..but carb version not bad either..Are there any serious perfomance difference between the two, even in levels of refinement?

Reliability? well the newer ones come with some sort of upgraded piston? not too sure..just read about that somewhere.

[aargee]

Guys, I don't mean to defend but to stress a point here, that, if you like a motorcycle goahead & purchase it & do not think what would happen if the steed breaks down in a middle of nowhere & the mechanic doesn't know anything on the modern technology.

There're several instances posted in this forum about the knowledge of mechs in PBK as well as the instance I posted on local garage's mech, so anything can happen this way or other way.

Point - Do take care of your steed to the best you can, most importantly, learn a lot, gather knowledge, atleast about your motorcycle so that you can fix or prevent most of the common issues by yourself.

@Ankit - if a juggad works in middle of desert, so be it, you don't want to expect a quality job or fine fit & finish over there, but to ride home back safely isn't it?

[satan69in]

thats the point..he should ride back home...anyways the whole idea of getting a pulsar secondhand is a little dangerous as there are very few who keep their bikes clean and maintain them..if you are buying from a third party then he will just retouch the damaged areas and sell as new.so i'd suggest you to get a second hand pulsar from anyone you personally know..if its from anyone else or a third party member then please be careful,dont get fooled by outer appearances,have it checked by your mechanic in and out and then decide.

[truelypulsarian]

Guys, I don't mean to defend but to stress a point here, that, if you like a motorcycle goahead & purchase it & do not think what would happen if the steed breaks down in a middle of nowhere & the mechanic doesn't know anything on the modern technology.

There're several instances posted in this forum about the knowledge of mechs in PBK as well as the instance I posted on local garage's mech, so anything can happen this way or other way.

Point - Do take care of your steed to the best you can, most importantly, learn a lot, gather knowledge, atleast about your motorcycle so that you can fix or prevent most of the common issues by yourself.

@Ankit - if a juggad works in middle of desert, so be it, you don't want to expect a quality job or fine fit & finish over there, but to ride home back safely isn't it?

Rightly Said.

[ankit mishra]

@ Satan ...
Thanks for the concern buddy but I am NOT going to buy a secondhand pulsar.. and i have no where stated that i am buying a "second hand" machine.

i have said its going to be my second bike... earlier also i have ridden a pulsar and i find them problem free bike.

anyways the whole idea of getting a pulsar secondhand is a little dangerous ,have it checked by your mechanic in and out and then decide.

i have to finalize this decision in next 10 days at the max... and there is no clue about any new bike being launched on the lines of Fazer...

I don't want a problematic bike... though i have heard that Karizmas are the most trouble free...
I have never tried a Fi... so just reading the forum threads these days...
Anyways... lets see...

[satan69in]

@ Satan ...
Thanks for the concern buddy but I am NOT going to buy a secondhand pulsar.. and i have no where stated that i am buying a "second hand" machine.

i have said its going to be my second bike... earlier also i have ridden a pulsar and i find them problem free bike.



i have to finalize this decision in next 10 days at the max... and there is no clue about any new bike being launched on the lines of Fazer...

I don't want a problematic bike... though i have heard that Karizmas are the most trouble free...
I have never tried a Fi... so just reading the forum threads these days...
Anyways... lets see...

whooops..so sorry dude..i read it as second hand..

fi and dtsi both are good dude..but you are getting more from a dtsi than an fi and at a cheaper price tag too...thats all all the best