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  • The Usual Suspects (would you suggest that I upgrade to 220dtsi over zma)

    Hi All,




    My ownership experience with zma has been quite delightful and I adore the machine for the kind of comfort it infuses in to you, the refinement would never go for a toss no matter how hard I ride but then I never kind of felt the hooligan moment of madness which I have heard the 220 is capable of inducing. I know (well mostly) the usual niggles that p220 comes with.



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    4) I could not ride the bike past 60 so I am not sure how well it pulls in higher RPM( this is where I find my zma quite dull and hence this confusion)

    Please do bear in mind that the bike was laced with essential quality of being a true virgin when I took her for a ride (meaning I was the first one to ride it before you raise a few eyebrows) so I reckon that the bikes performance would increase gradually as time goes by.

    So I have this humble request to all of you those who are clearly associated with these 2 machines kindly help me in deciding and answer my below mentioned queries:-

    1) Is 220dtsi worth the hype? Sans all the gadgetry, I am talking about down right performance and how better is it while comparing to zma.
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    5) And how good is the high end grunt, meaning does the bike pulls convincingly after say speeds of 120 kph?


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    • #3
      Considering all what you wrote above, I don't think you would feel happy with the 220 DTSi.
      Why don't you keep a friend's bike with you for a week or so before deciding on a test ride on a 'virgin' bike below 60kmph?
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        1) Is 220dtsi worth the hype? Sans all the gadgetry, I am talking about down right performance and how better is it while comparing to zma.

        We'll the P220 is worth the hype if your upgrading from a 150. It wouldn't make your life very different from what it currently is.


        The rare brakes probably require running in. Dont expect R15 kind of braking but it sure does perform to a decent potential.



        You shouldn't worry about foot peg vibes on the P220. The refinement levels are beyond foot peg vibrations. I'm pretty sure the fairing would have vibrations after a while which can be totally dealt with. There are many guys in the forum with the very first P220s who have taken care of fairing vibes.



        All the power is generated post 6k. It would be surely faster than the Zma. How much faster is the question, for which I would say not too much to make a difference to your life. After all, how different can two 220cc motorcycles be.(Unless they both belonged to two different categories of motorcycling.)

        5) And how good is the high end grunt, meaning does the bike pulls convincingly after say speeds of 120 kph?

        Never tested. The DTSFi does pull very well past 120. I would expect the DtSi to perform equally well or better.


        I do not think it would be a worthwhile upgrade from the Zma. Hold on for better motorcycles.
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        • #5
          Not again!

          Bike pulling away convincingly after 120kmph!!! What do you think this is, 90Bhp 16V inline-Four, 600cc with DOHC? If you want to know if this is faster than the current Zma, yes it is.

          I wonder what people use rear brakes for!!!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by incognito View Post
            1) Is 220dtsi worth the hype? Sans all the gadgetry, I am talking about down right performance and how better is it while comparing to zma.
            If it is actually worth the hype, people are still yet to find out as the bike is relatively new and a direct comparo with the competition hasn't begin extensively yet. But one thing is for sure, it is definitely worth the money.

            Originally posted by incognito View Post
            2) Can some thing be done about the rear disk brakes? Although I am quite a chicken head who would never give you “wanna race dude?” look but I still ride fast and would want the bike to stop with urgency.
            Brand new 220s just off the showroom have this tendency where the rear disk doesn't feel as effective, but give it some time, say 200 kms, then it is effective enough for urgent stopping. Initially, the slackness in braking is common for most new rear disks.


            Originally posted by incognito View Post
            3) How bad are the vibration post 90+ kmph ( as I said I adore zma for its refinement sure its not vibration free as well but then there’s this slight tingle in the foot pegs while cruising at high speeds and that’s about it)
            Refinement, well that is debatable all day. It is not as vibration free as most ZMAs for sure, but it is also much more refined than most other bikes above 90kmph. When I say most other bikes, I mean the pulsar family .

            Originally posted by incognito View Post
            4) Is the bike really all that fast when it comes to the 0-60 blast (asking this cause as I told that I didn’t find the low end torque that great , I might be totally wrong though)
            Well, compared to the 220DTS-Fi it is less gruntier down the revs. But the way it pulls like mad after 7K rpm puts a smile to your face and the lack of grunt is made up for. 0-60 can be achieved lightning quick if you shift in the power band.

            Originally posted by incognito View Post
            5) And how good is the high end grunt, meaning does the bike pulls convincingly after say speeds of 120 kph?
            High end grunt is where the 220Dtsi is wow. Pretty much linear pull even after 120 kmph.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by silver_falcon_46 View Post
              I do not think it would be a worthwhile upgrade from the Zma. Hold on for better motorcycles.
              +1! The difference will be so marginal. The pros & cons of both bikes will negate any substantial gain or difference. Unless of course you want to try something different.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by incognito View Post
                Test drive Fastest Indian, if PBK doesn't give you the bike for extensive test ride, borrow it from Mumbai Xbhpian...feel it and then decide

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                • #9
                  1 year is a rather short period to start trading bikes. A P220 has similar displacement, slightly better performance , similar ergonomics, way better lights , but all in all the two are not so dissimilar. I have owned both for some time, and one 220cc over another doesn't hold it's novelty too long - and it gets old, you'll long for 10 more horse in no time.

                  Hold your horses, there will be better bikes in a year or two.
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                  • #10
                    It seems that you have already formed a bad opinion on the bike. So I suggest you stick with the Zma. To be practical build wise the zma will always be better than any pulsar in existence. However the fact is compared to the 220, its just out-equipped and dated. The 220 dtsi is way faster after 80 kph.
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                    • #11
                      Dude ,
                      i can clearly understand your dilemma .
                      You want a more powerful bike that gives you more top speed and more pick up without loosing the refinement of ZMa .
                      From your post and since you are using ZMa now , i think you will not be satisfied with the pulsar 220 DTSi
                      THe best thing that satisfy your need will be
                      New ZMR . It will give you more power and top end without losing the Zma refinement...
                      If the news about ZmR are true it will be on stands within three months ..


                      All the best
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