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  • Carburetor Jetting and tuning for the correct AFR.

    What is Jetting
    Carburetor jetting can be easily understood if we understand the basic principles of carburetor and engine operation. A carburetor mixes fuel with air before it goes into the engine. When the mixture is correct the engine runs well. The bottom line is a carburetor must be adjusted to deliver fuel and air to the engine at a precise ratio. This precise ratio can be affected by a number of outside and inside influences. If you are aware of these influences you can re-jet your carburetor to compensate for the changes. I'm going to show you some examples of how you can change your jetting for better performance and in some cases increased engine life. As with any engine work be sure you have good tools the correct parts and a good manual before you get your hands dirty!


    Altitude Compensation

    For our first example let's say we find a new riding area WAY up in the mountains. Our jetting is dialed in for our usual riding area which ranges from sea level to 1500 feet. Our NEW riding area starts at 4000 feet and goes up from there. Going to a higher elevation will require will require a jetting change but which way? Like our fuel density, air density can also change. Higher elevations have less air density then lower ones. At high elevations our engines are getting less air, so they need less fuel to maintain the proper air/fuel ratio. Generally you would go down one main jet size for every 1750 to 2000 feet of elevation you go up (info for Mikuni carbs). If you normally run a 160 main jet at sea level you would drop down to a 140 at 4000 feet. Something else goes down as you go up in elevation is horsepower. You can figure on losing about 3% or your power for every 1000 feet you go up. At 4000 feet your power will be down about 12%-even though you rejetted! For our second example let's say we are still at our new 4000-feet elevation riding area and a storm comes in. We head back to camp and ride it out overnight. The next day there's a foot of snow on the ground the skies are clear and it's COLD! Aside from getting the campfire going and making some coffee you should be thinking about jetting again! Cold air is dense air and dense air requires bigger jets. If the 140 jet ran good the day before you will need a bigger jet to run properly today. If the temperature is 50 degrees colder than it was the day before you can actually go back to your sea level jetting, a 160 main jet! If you don't rejet you can kiss your assets goodbye when you rebuild the seized engine. Air temperature makes that much difference!

    Our final example will deal with something often overlooked. We are still up in the hills enjoying our NEW riding area when we notice the old fuel supply getting shorter. No biggie; there's a little store/gas station just down the road. A short trip a few bucks change hands and we are ready to go again. Out on the trail the bikes are running funny, sometimes "pinging" and running HOT. What happened?! When we changed jets to compensate for altitude and temperature we were still using SEA LEVEL gasoline. Gasoline sold at higher elevations have a different blend of additives to compensate for the altitude. Generally high elevation gasoline is less dense to compensate for less available air going into the engine and to aid starting. The lighter specific gravity of the high elevation fuel actually "leaned out" our mixture! One to two sizes bigger main jet will get us back into the hunt. If you ride in vastly different areas try to bring enough or your normal fuel along to last the entire ride. It will save you hassles and gray hair in the long run!

    Pilots, Needles & Mains

    So far we have only talked about main jet changes to compensate for altitude, temperature and fuel density. As most of you know there is a pile of jets in a carburetor. While main jets are the most critical for ensuring full power operation and engine longevity, the other jets are equally as important for a good running engine. Let's run through them quickly.

    Pilot Jets: Pilot jets control the low-speed and idle mixtures. Many times an adjustable jet is used in conjunction with the pilot jet. The adjustable jet allows a precise setting of the idle mixture. If the adjustable jet is located to the rear of the carburetor and usually on one side it is a AIR adjustment. It controls the amount of air that mixes with the fuel coming from the pilot jet. If the adjustable jet is to the front of the carburetor, on the side or bottom, it controls the amount of air/fuel mixture going into the engine. In either case if adjusting the mixture screw won't improve the low-end running speed it's time for a different pilot jet.

    Slide: Throttle valves (the slide) control the off idle, to one-quarter open, mixture. Some aftermarket carbs have replacement slides available with different "cutaways". Changing the cutaway changes the mixture. More cutaway is lean, less cutaway is rich. Some carbs do not have different slides available, so you have to compensate by changing the mixture on the idle circuit or needle circuit. Partial throttle hesitation or rough running can be caused by the slide cutaway.

    Needle Jets: Needle jets control the amount of fuel going by the needle and into the engine at low to mid throttle. There are 2 types of needle jets used in a carburetor. One is a primary type that has a very precise hole hole drilled through the middle of it, along it's length. The size of the hole relative to the size of the needle determines how much fuel goes into the engine. The other type of needle jet is constructed essentially the same except for a bunch of holes drilled into the side of the jet. These holes allow air to mix with the fuel before it's metered into the engine. Either type of needle jet works well in most cases but there is power to be gained on high performance four-strokes by going to the needle with the holes in the side. These are called "bleed" type needle jets and produce more midrange power in a four-stroke. In any engine going to a leaner (smaller) needle jet is the easiest way to rejet the midrange running when going to higher elevations. Changing the needle jet leans out the mixture evenly at all the midrange throttle settings moving the needle clip doesn't.

    Needle: Jet needles more commonly know as the "needle" control the fuel mixture throughout the midrange. The shape or taper of the needle dictates how much fuel goes into the engine at a given throttle opening. The needle must work in conjunction with the fueling requirements of the engine relative to slide position. If you have an engine with a strong hit in the midrange the needle will probable have a noticeable reduction in size the the slide is half open. Remember it takes fuel to make power and when the engine makes power it needs fuel NOW! If it doesn't get the right amount of fuel it pings or misses. You many have cleared up a little midrange pinging by moving the needle up a notch but at the same time you may have over richened some other areas. If the problem isn't too bad you won't even notice the rich condition. If the machine stutters before it comes on the power that part of the needle's taper is too small and the only way to cure it is to get a needle with a different taper. Finding the right needle can be difficult so hopefully moving the clip will do the job.

    Main Jet: Finally the good old main jet comes into play at three-quarters open to full throttle conditions. Most of you already know a bigger main jet has a bigger hole so it lets more gas into the engine! Pretty simple! As simple as it is the minuet is absolutely CRITICAL to high-speed engine operation. Not only does it meter the gas into the engine, it can aid in cooling the engine as well. A properly sized main jet will let the engine make good power for a long time. One size smaller main jet may make greater power for awhile. A slightly rich mixture burns cooler than a lean one so be sure the main jet is big enough!

    One final note on jets. All of them and the carburetion functions then perform tend to overlap into some other jet's territory. If you mess with one jet, you may have to mess with a few of the others. My best advice is to not change more than one jet at a time. Slowly work out the correct jetting and keep notes on what you are doing. If you get totally fouled up at least you can go back to where you started.

    Sign, Symptoms & Causes

    How would you know if there was something wrong with your jetting? If you listen, your engine will tell you! All you need is an interpreter. Since I speak and understand several different engine dialects, I will give you a hand. Let's start with lean conditions because they can cause the most damage. In a lean condition the engine will surge and sometimes ping under acceleration. The engine will also be "cold-blooded" (hard to start and keep running) but will run better when hot. The spark plug will look bone white or burned in extreme cases. The engine may spit back or sneeze through the carburetor once in awhile too.. If the engine is running rich the throttle response will be fuzzy and not too quick. The engine will burble, miss and blow black smoke. It will start easy but will run funny when fully warmed up. The plug will be dark, wet or fouled (possible all three!).

    Ok so what do you do first to cure the problem? The very first thing is to check and adjust the float level. If it's off one way or another it can throw the jetting off too. Set the float to the specs and retest the running. The next item is to determine a rich or lean condition. Let's say the engine gets hot and doesn't pull well. This is a lean condition so the engine wants more fuel. Stick in at least a two size bigger main jet and try it again. If it's better but still not right go even bigger on the jet. and try it again. Bear in mind that drastic or sudden changes in jetting usually mean an air leak has developed somewhere in the engine. Find it and FIX IT! When the engine burbles on the top end come down one jet size at a time until it winds all the way down. Don't drop and more sizes! If the engine seems sluggish and lumpy or want to load up on the bottom end the mixture is TOO RICH. Adjusting the low speed mixture screw helps a little but doesn't cure the problem completely. What you need now is a new pilot jet. Go one size smaller and try the adjustment again. When the engine runs smooth with the adjustment screw about one and a half turns out from the seat you have it!

    Final Thought

    There's a lot more to jetting than just stuffing jets in holes and hoping the problem goes away. If you can understand what your engine is trying to tell you when it runs funny you will have a better chance or correcting the problem than someone who doesn't have a clue. When you rejet, go slowly and carefully until the problem is solved. As a final thought let me remind you that jetting is a lot like life, if you have a choice it's always better to be a little rich!

    Credits: Article posted somebody and editing by 4Strokes.com. I just copied and pasted. Hope this gives a clarity on altitude and jetting, am going to start my research with carburator, got a old carb and will try all combinations today with my rx 100.
    Never Give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.

    Cheers
    Ramesh Madhavan

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    • #3
      Originally posted by rameshmadhavan View Post
      am going to start my research with carburator, got a old carb and will try all combinations today with my rx 100.
      Be careful not to run your engine for long when the mixture is lean to heat up the cylinder or too rich to foul the plug. Happy experimenting
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      • #4
        Originally posted by rameshmadhavan View Post
        As a final thought let me remind you that jetting is a lot like life, if you have a choice it's always better to be a little rich!
        Hope this gives a clarity on altitude and jetting, am going to start my research with carburator, got a old carb and will try all combinations today with my rx 100.
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        Have a great time..
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        • #5
          Originally posted by psr View Post
          Your photo shows you have enough hair to cover your head....Soon you will be able to count them
          Have a great time..
          ha ha ha...true sir, tried understanding each bit of it...have 2 carb now, one from my Royal Enfield VM 26 (I have changed to VM28 in my Lightning 535)and one from YBX...will share a snap of my dining table with tools and completely stripped off carbs...

          Guys - anybody planning to sell off the junk carb if you have one at home or left un attended at your place, I would want to try experimenting with those

          argee - Havent taken the risk in removing from the bike and trying, once I understand part by part, then will go for it. Now I have a service manual from Royal Enfield and there are specs given about VM 24, VM 28, The Bing Carb bing Type 53/1, Amal Monobloc, Amal Concentric...

          Now am little confident on the parts and what it does
          Never Give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.

          Cheers
          Ramesh Madhavan

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          • #6
            sir i m having a bs 32 carb on a pulsar 220 with a main jet of 115........and will be running it with an k&n rc 1060 .....................do i need to upjet???????.......and to what size????

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            • #7
              Originally posted by karan180 View Post
              sir i m having a bs 32 carb on a pulsar 220 with a main jet of 115........and will be running it with an k&n rc 1060 .....................do i need to upjet???????.......and to what size????
              Stick to stock ,and do not fit K&N. Your engine will wear out soon.If you are planning on ditching your Pulsar soon then it is ok.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by psr View Post
                Yes Plug Chops is better. It gives a Good Picture of what is happening in the combustion chamber...since Samarth wanted an alternate , I suggested the emission test center.....
                But with Bajaj adding more spark plugs in Pulsars, even plug chop is going to become difficult ...and this is because the plugs used,are of different heat range.

                Thanks for the heads-up PSR Ji, don't know why might be owning a two stroke, I'm more keen on getting Plug Chops done. But three Spark Plugs with different heat ranges makes sense to their way to the nearest emission centre...
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by psr View Post
                  You can always go to the Emission test center and get it checked.
                  Sir but...would the result from emission check be as much accurate as a plug chop I doubt; especially with those twins isn't it Ji?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by aargee View Post
                    Sir but...would the result from emission check be as much accurate as a plug chop I doubt; especially with those twins isn't it Ji?
                    The more the plugs and their different heat range , the more difficult to read and interpret...hence for these engines an Emission check system will give better reading by observing Oxy and Nitro in the exhaust gas.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by psr View Post
                      Emission check system will give better reading by observing Oxy and Nitro in the exhaust gas.
                      So, how do we interpret the results Sir? Wouldn't the result just read how much CO is emitted in form of numbers isn't it? How do we interpret Sir? Pls educate.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by aargee View Post
                        So, how do we interpret the results Sir? Wouldn't the result just read how much CO is emitted in form of numbers isn't it? How do we interpret Sir? Pls educate.
                        In the emission test the Oxygen content can also be seen, though we get certification for other parameters.If Oxygen level becomes near Zero CO levels will start shooting up, hence it is better to adjust engine for just least presence of CO in exhaust gas. Toxic pollutant Carbon Monoxide increases with decreasing Oxygen in the inlet ,primarily due to incomplete combustion....so an engine with clogged Air filter , or an engine tuned at sea level and run at higher altitude,will produce more Carbon Monoxide.(If closed loop Fi is not present)
                        Here is a Graphical help to explain the different tune and it's effect on Exhaust gas....

                        Last edited by psr; 09-25-2012, 11:59 PM.
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                        • #13
                          i generally depend on three things- spark plug color, engine temperature feel, and experience and knowledge of optimum setting and feel o f bike.

                          thanks PSR ji, and thats the reason, i call you psr JI. but now, i want more- plz help-

                          1) can we take a printout of this chart and head straight to service center for measurements. or we need a more accurate graph, or the graph varies for different bikes. is this graph a generic one for all bikes or every bike model has graph of its own?

                          2) what is the meaning of AFR numbers mentioned on x-axis, 10 to 18.

                          3) is there a way to know if the emmission measurement machine is working correctly, otherwise, the results may be opposite of what we desire.

                          4) so, should we tune it for lean mixture or ideal mixture (shaded part on graph)..?? or ask the manufacturer..??

                          5) you said, tune for least CO, that means a bit on the leaner side. why not we tune for ideal mixture and tune for maximum CO2 as per graph.

                          6) also, it can be seen from the graph, that maximum power occurs at slightly rich mixture, why not tune for it ( assuming i dont care for emmissions)..??


                          i am thinking of starting a thread called "teachings and lectures of PSR-ji" ....seriously. is there anything, you dont know.

                          Edit: i always keep my bike between "slightly rich" ...and...."considerably rich", since 90% of my riding is on highways with considerable ripping and occasional full throttle too, it helps keep the engine temperature in control, since my bike has developed a tendency to overheat, for no apparent reason, and some oil drinking. i have tried to troubleshoot my overheating and oil drinking problems several times, but no use, may be i am riding my P150 way too aggresively for it to handle. your opinion ...
                          Last edited by princesirohi; 09-26-2012, 01:55 AM.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by psr View Post
                            In the emission test the Oxygen content...more Carbon Monoxide.(If closed loop Fi is not present)
                            Err...Ji...I think I confused you; or...are you saying if the emission test outcome is higher (say like 4.0 etc) the CO is high. Is that what you're trying to say?

                            OR...is there altogether a different emission test you're saying? Because, I'm talking about the regular emission test centers that we see around fuel stations in Chennai. Over there, we don't get the graphs or any detailed output. All we see is just a number indicating lower the better. How do we deduct from that is what my confusion. Pls help me understand Sir.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                              i generally depend on three things- spark plug color, engine temperature feel, and experience and knowledge of optimum setting and feel o f bike.
                              Thanks for kind words of appreciation...to answer the points you had raised..
                              1. The chart is generic for all Gasoline(Petrol) engine.and hence can be used to get at proper AFR tuning..
                              2. AFR ratio is the ratio of Air to Fuel in the engine....The ideal one is supposed to be 14.7 of air to 1 part Fuel..note in the chart the center area of 14 to 15 is shaded to denote this.
                              3. The emission check unit is periodically calibrated. There is no way a common man can check the machine's accuracy.
                              4. The most toxic gas in the burnt fuel is the CO..to keep it low either 14.7:1 or a slightly lean mix at 16 :1 will suffice.
                              5. The preferred tuning is to get 14.7 : 1 ratio..
                              6. A rich tuning may give you better power from engine....If you tune a bit Rich the CO is rising at a faster level , and it is the most toxic by product of ICE. At 14.7: 1 or slightly leaner, it is almost at Zero level....Max power is at AFR of 14:1.

                              Individual preferences in tuning is a personal preference..The chart clearly shows where an engine emission based on it's tuning becomes a threat to the environment in which we live..

                              There is lots more I don't know and hope to learn at least a tiny bit before going off from this world.
                              Last edited by psr; 09-26-2012, 11:37 AM.
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