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  • [Hard Torque]: Risk is a �Fungible� Thing!

    Risk is real. Always. Though for us it becomes real only when we realize its presence. Since motorcycling carries within its dynamics a substantial quantity of this known yet mysterious character, we need to look both at our riding as well as the machines we ride not just from the perspective of improving skills and better safety equipment but from the point of view of working towards reducing risk. And these two are not the same mind you. Better skills or even better technology might not necessarily translate into lesser risk for the rider. Read on to see how and why.

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      Biking is not about what you have between your legs, its all about how well you use it!!!!!!!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Old Fox View Post
        Risk is real. Always. Though for us it becomes real only when we realize its presence. Since motorcycling carries within its dynamics a substantial quantity of this known yet mysterious character, we need to look both at our riding as well as the machines we ride not just from the perspective of improving skills and better safety equipment but from the point of view of working towards reducing risk. And these two are not the same mind you. Better skills or even better technology might not necessarily translate into lesser risk for the rider.

        We can reduce the risk by great margin if we are brave enough to accept " it can happen to me " rather than it can not happen to me.
        by the way off the track I am confused if i should envy your riding skill or your writing skill
        2030 " we used to ride petrol motorbike and you can not even afford one drop of it"

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        • #5
          very real and we need to consciously tell / remind ourselves that while the rush and excitement are expendable, our life / safety is not. We need to consciously tell ourselves to let it go if it's impossible; because then, we will live to ride another day.

          Happy riding everyone
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Old Fox View Post
              Risk is real.
              But then a somewhat insipid but full riding life is a pretty fungible trade-off for a short thrilling one. Say what?
              YES...
              I'm a responsible rider.It doesn't matter what you ride,but what matters is how you ride.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Monk View Post
                Below are just random thoughts as i read this article about risk.

                My risk taking appetite is X units while riding a Splendor at 40 kmph on single track rural roads.

                I get onto a Hayabusa with ABS and full riding gear and ride at 100kmph on the highway. The motorcycle, scenario, technology, speed and everything else has changed completely. Yet my risk taking appetite is constant at X. Simply because everything else being a variable, the one constant thing in this case was - i the Biker!

                My responsibilities to family, friends, motorcycling and life in general has not changed and therefore neither does my appetite for risk.
                when you are going at 100 kph on the highway, you have catered for the extra risk by making your body more taut. you grip the handlebars tighter, you knees are pressing the tank harder, your body is much more tense than when you are riding at 40 kph.
                hence, you are keeping the risk taking appetite constant at X, not by wearing the extra riding gear (that is only something you would need IF there is an accident) but by changing your body posture and positioning, to ENSURE the eventuality doesn't take place in the first place. risk mitigating features being the posture, not the safety kit.

                gear is important, but attitude is more important.
                that's my take on this...
                http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/3...s-1-rider.html

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                • #9
                  Last edited by liionheart; 12-17-2015, 12:43 AM.
                  Drive FAST but not Rough, Drive SAFE But not Slow.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by liionheart View Post
                    Now i think this websites, all those talk about safety/risk, techniques is only for those who have hobby and passion for biking, other then that real world is totally different where 2-wheelers are just cheap mode of transportation with great effectiveness nothing more nothing less.

                    Safety what safety? to Hell with it , I need to deliver these packet before 7 pm today. We can do nothing because they are not interested but Important points is the numbers of those drivers are much much bigger than us The Rider.

                    Any ideas!! or comments.

                    unfortunately, the people you are talking about are the lower strata of the society, for whom, safety is less important than bringing home two square meals a day.
                    if your packet from amazon or flipkart or worse, your pizza from dominos/pizza hut doesn't reach home on time, you get pissed, call customer care, they might lodge a complaint, extreme cases, the delivery guy might get fired or money deducted from his salary.
                    for such people, safety isn't the topmost priority. and the only way this can change is if some kind of regulation is enforced on these companies on providing atleast basic safety to their employees, which, happily, is seen atleast in some companies bikers.

                    secondly, as it was pointed out elsewhere in the forums, 2 wheeler licences are distributed like candy in india, no actual requirement of learning the riding rules, and more importantly ETIQUETTE. most riders (and drivers) know the rules, atleast the basic ones, but they lack the manners to follow them or being gracious in following etiquette.

                    easiest examples are high beam etiquette and indicators etiquette.

                    i can think of only 2 solutions, 1 short term and 1 long term. short term includes better policing and implementation of existing laws,
                    and long term includes changing the way education is imparted in our schools, where etiquette training and sensitization (in life, not just on the road) is the need of the hour...
                    http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/3...s-1-rider.html

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Kos View Post
                      unfortunately, the people you are talking about are the lower strata of the society, for whom, safety is less important than bringing home two square meals a day.
                      Yes, you are right but the thing is there is lots of population other than delivery guys who just refuse to accept safety & manners while driving just drive to destination is their moto.

                      Your second idea of sensitization is the way to go but the problems remains the same they are not interested. just try to teach your neighborhood uncle/friend about this and see their reaction.
                      Drive FAST but not Rough, Drive SAFE But not Slow.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by liionheart View Post
                        just try to teach your neighborhood uncle/friend about this and see their reaction.
                        I have tried this a million times. And I have failed. Every. Single. Time!

                        There seemed to be some hope, with the recent government fiasco of making helmets compulsory. But we are back to square one now, and everyone is riding without a lid again. Unless people change their attitude, and accept the risk involved (to them, as well as to others), there isn't going to be a positive change.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by liionheart View Post
                          Yes, you are right but the thing is there is lots of population other than delivery guys who just refuse to accept safety & manners while driving just drive to destination is their moto.

                          Your second idea of sensitization is the way to go but the problems remains the same they are not interested. just try to teach your neighborhood uncle/friend about this and see their reaction.
                          yeah, as i mentioned earlier, the sensitization solution is a long term one, it won't work on neighbourhood uncle/friend, it has to be implemented on the kids who are still learning, tweeners, or even younger than that. not necessarily about helmets while on bikes, but about importance of safety in all walks of life (and also importance of cleanliness and non littering). I have seen toddlers and 3 yr olds in Japan throwing litter in garbage cans WITHOUT being prompted. Japan is also the only country I have not been able to see traffic cameras to catch rule breakers. why? because their sense of responsibility is so great, that they take pride in not breaking rules.
                          Last edited by Kos; 12-17-2015, 06:59 AM. Reason: double trouble
                          http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/3...s-1-rider.html

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kos View Post
                            when you are going at 100 kph on the highway, you have catered for the extra risk by making your body more taut. you grip the handlebars tighter, you knees are pressing the tank harder, your body is much more tense than when you are riding at 40 kph.
                            hence, you are keeping the risk taking appetite constant at X, not by wearing the extra riding gear (that is only something you would need IF there is an accident) but by changing your body posture and positioning, to ENSURE the eventuality doesn't take place in the first place. risk mitigating features being the posture, not the safety kit.

                            gear is important, but attitude is more important.
                            that's my take on this...
                            On the contrary, when riding at 100kmph on the highway, the body gets more relaxed, grip on the handlebars looser and your mind more open and free. That is why i stay safe. If i did as you described, i would have crashed many times already!!!

                            I do completely agree with you on this line though - Gear is important, but attitude is more important.

                            Cheers
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The Monk View Post
                              On the contrary, when riding at 100kmph on the highway, the body gets more relaxed, grip on the handlebars looser and your mind more open and free. That is why i stay safe. If i did as you described, i would have crashed many times already!!!

                              I do completely agree with you on this line though - Gear is important, but attitude is more important.

                              Cheers
                              You are missing the point totally. Whenever we are riding on high speed(subjective term based on bike quality and your skill quality combined) our attitude, focus, behavior changes significantly we do become more focused on road ahead, situation awareness heightens for small changes reflex action increases. And in no way we can define it relaxed. That's why high speed driving is very taxing on body.

                              Now keep the same bike but increase the speed to 140 kmph(may be high speed in your terms with your skill level) will you still be relaxed. I bet Not. Or changes traffic condition, same bike with 100kmph on highway but medium traffic(again subjective term) of container truck and Interstate Buses and SUV.Feeling relaxed!!.

                              You can be relaxed when long good condition highway with no traffic. But again its false perception of safety if you remember term Highway hynosis.
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