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  • sajjt
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    Originally posted by abhilashabhi12 View Post
    Thanks Aryan

    I can see from your post that you want 60/55W. If possible rewind your coil and go for a Pulsar/Avenger RR Unit. Only if you want HID, should you think of going for a DC setup. In that case, its better to rewind your coil and go for P180UGIV/Zma/P220 RR Unit.

    Thanks for dat Info bro.. well I want to workout something cheaply , dats Y i am thinking how to use max power from my battery & use the 35w as DC.

    Can you confirm if the pulsar 180UG4 Rectifier unit is a direct fit on to CBZ's if yes then I am gona change that one & go ahead with DC conversion.

    My point is that I want to check if Pulsars Rectifier Unit for 2.5A battery can help run 35w DC on my bike..

    Here total cost involved is around 800 ( 400 for DC + around 400 for rectifier)

    Hi have u solved this? If CBZ's coil is single phase, difnitly u can go in for Pulsar UG4 rectifier will cost around 430/- , It will not be a direct snap on, but you can do it. First identify the wires for the light coil, feed it to the P's RR which is having only 4 wires, 2 blue wires are for the AC in and the other is DC. But you have to re route the lighting source wire to battery from the stock RR out. 35W wont make much issues unless you travel in night more than 1 hr,as the P's RR will feed 3.5 max, which is theoritically morethan enough (10% is the ideal charging current, (250ma) but in this case, you need intensive charging to get the backup from the small batt. since you have 2.5AH batt, duration will be short, but you still have light direcly from the RR, but will not be consistent brightness at idle speed.

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  • abhijeet080808
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    Originally posted by sajanjosepht View Post
    Am still on the stock RR as I havent re routed the magneto wiring for the battery charging. Needs some time to fix. In the mean time will commute on HID till the battery drains fully later on an auxilary h3 spot from the stock light wire. Sadly I could;ve gone for a xenon+halo combi, to avoid the spot.

    Avenger coil is as same as the P150-200 which is a single phase one and thatz why people have upgraded to avy coil. Else they would;ve to replace the stock RR also. But its a direct snap fit DIY job. Pulsar have 4 light coils and 3 for the battery charging, so while seeing the 3lines u can get confused. 2 blue wires from coil are dedicated to battery charging and the yellow-red line wire is for light coil and red wire is for CDI and obviously black is earth. Am right Abhi?

    I dont know about Uni coils, am still a beginer in this. But to my knowledge, only DC bikes may require the 3 phase coil as its demanding more power to compasate the battery drain. But there's an exception for 3 wheelers like Ape and Minidoor which uses 50A batteries and full DC but feds from a single phase alternator but you cant compare with a bikes magneto.
    In the Pulsars, it is technically a single light coil wound around 4 poles and a single battery coil wound around 3 poles. About the colour codes, you are correct. So, the Zma has 3 separate coils as per the clarification above?

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  • Shreeni0403
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    Originally posted by sajanjosepht View Post
    Am still on the stock RR as I havent re routed the magneto wiring for the battery charging. Needs some time to fix. In the mean time will commute on HID till the battery drains fully later on an auxilary h3 spot from the stock light wire. Sadly I could;ve gone for a xenon+halo combi, to avoid the spot.

    Avenger coil is as same as the P150-200 which is a single phase one and thatz why people have upgraded to avy coil. Else they would;ve to replace the stock RR also. But its a direct snap fit DIY job. Pulsar have 4 light coils and 3 for the battery charging, so while seeing the 3lines u can get confused. 2 blue wires from coil are dedicated to battery charging and the yellow-red line wire is for light coil and red wire is for CDI and obviously black is earth. Am right Abhi?

    I dont know about Uni coils, am still a beginer in this. But to my knowledge, only DC bikes may require the 3 phase coil as its demanding more power to compasate the battery drain. But there's an exception for 3 wheelers like Ape and Minidoor which uses 50A batteries and full DC but feds from a single phase alternator but you cant compare with a bikes magneto.
    Are you planning for any Ph.D on this

    Thanks for that info. If possible go thru the Unicorn wiring also and help me solve the battery charging issue on DC Headlight.

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  • sajjt
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    Originally posted by Shreeni0403 View Post
    AFAIK even the Bajaj's (atleast the avvy) has 3 phase.
    Till date i ve saw single phase only on Unicorn..!!
    No idea about Xtreme... But yeah you are right that ZMA has 3 phase...

    So currently which RR unit are u using and on which bike??? (If u ve changed else ignore question )
    Am still on the stock RR as I havent re routed the magneto wiring for the battery charging. Needs some time to fix. In the mean time will commute on HID till the battery drains fully later on an auxilary h3 spot from the stock light wire. Sadly I could;ve gone for a xenon+halo combi, to avoid the spot.

    Avenger coil is as same as the P150-200 which is a single phase one and thatz why people have upgraded to avy coil. Else they would;ve to replace the stock RR also. But its a direct snap fit DIY job. Pulsar have 4 light coils and 3 for the battery charging, so while seeing the 3lines u can get confused. 2 blue wires from coil are dedicated to battery charging and the yellow-red line wire is for light coil and red wire is for CDI and obviously black is earth. Am right Abhi?

    I dont know about Uni coils, am still a beginer in this. But to my knowledge, only DC bikes may require the 3 phase coil as its demanding more power to compasate the battery drain. But there's an exception for 3 wheelers like Ape and Minidoor which uses 50A batteries and full DC but feds from a single phase alternator but you cant compare with a bikes magneto.

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  • Shreeni0403
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    Originally posted by sajanjosepht View Post
    ZMA magneto is a 3 phase generator whereas Unicorn, Bajaj etc are single phase ones. 3 phase can add more power than the single phase ones nowonder ZMA, Bullet uses 3 phase alternator and hopefully P220 too as these bikes are fully DC. Abhi you know how to explain better than me.
    AFAIK even the Bajaj's (atleast the avvy) has 3 phase.
    Till date i ve saw single phase only on Unicorn..!!
    No idea about Xtreme... But yeah you are right that ZMA has 3 phase...

    So currently which RR unit are u using and on which bike??? (If u ve changed else ignore question )

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  • sajjt
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    Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
    ^^ Do you have the Zma wiring diagram? I would like to have a look myself!
    No I dont. I just cross checked with one of my friends, I've done enough research to find a good RR for me.

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  • abhijeet080808
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    ^^ Do you have the Zma wiring diagram? I would like to have a look myself!

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  • sajjt
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    Originally posted by Shreeni0403 View Post
    Bro, my request. Can u plz get hold of ZMA wiring diagram and confirm on what u said. Bcz ZMA gets power in 3 wires to its RR Unit whereas Unicorn gets power from only 1 wire.
    ZMA magneto is a 3 phase generator whereas Unicorn, Bajaj etc are single phase ones. 3 phase can add more power than the single phase ones nowonder ZMA, Bullet uses 3 phase alternator and hopefully P220 too as these bikes are fully DC. Abhi you know how to explain better than me.

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  • abhijeet080808
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    Originally posted by Shreeni0403 View Post
    Bro, my request. Can u plz get hold of ZMA wiring diagram and confirm on what u said. Bcz ZMA gets power in 3 wires to its RR Unit whereas Unicorn gets power from only 1 wire.

    Atleast try to get wiring diagram of Pulsar UG4 which might be useful..
    I don't have the diagrams yaar! That is what I have been saying, anyone with the wiring diagrams, please post the pics! I have the diagrams for Pulsar180UGII/UGIII only.

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  • Shreeni0403
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    Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
    A AC/DC combined bike's RR unit has 2 parts - one part accepts input from the battery coil and provides regulated DC to battery. Other part accepts input from lighting coil and provides regulated AC to headlight.

    But in case of an all DC bike, there is a single coil which is regulated by the RR unit and provides regulated DC to battery. Note that the AC part is missing here.

    If you connect this RR unit to a AC/DC combined bike, how will you connect both the coils?

    And, this info is for DC electrical equipped bikes internationally. It should be the same here, but a P180UGIV electrical diagram would confirm the same.
    Bro, my request. Can u plz get hold of ZMA wiring diagram and confirm on what u said. Bcz ZMA gets power in 3 wires to its RR Unit whereas Unicorn gets power from only 1 wire.

    Atleast try to get wiring diagram of Pulsar UG4 which might be useful..

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  • abhijeet080808
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    A AC/DC combined bike's RR unit has 2 parts - one part accepts input from the battery coil and provides regulated DC to battery. Other part accepts input from lighting coil and provides regulated AC to headlight.

    But in case of an all DC bike, there is a single coil which is regulated by the RR unit and provides regulated DC to battery. Note that the AC part is missing here.

    If you connect this RR unit to a AC/DC combined bike, how will you connect both the coils?

    And, this info is for DC electrical equipped bikes internationally. It should be the same here, but a P180UGIV electrical diagram would confirm the same.

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  • Shreeni0403
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    Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
    If you want DC, as I said, go for rewinding. If you dont want to do that, you will need a custom made rectifier. And if you want to, upgrade the stock RR unit to one from Pulsar/Avenger, but not P180UGIV. For using with P180UGIV RR unit, you will need coil rewinding. An all DC bike has different stator coil compared to an AC/DC combined bike.
    Do you think RR Unit will differ much so that we can't install UG4's RR Unit?? I was telling Abhilash the same thing yesterday. Btw do you have any idea about CBZ Star's RR Unit ?? As that bike came with Self Start and a bigger battery.

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  • abhijeet080808
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    Originally posted by abhilashabhi12 View Post
    Thanks for dat Info bro.. well I want to workout something cheaply , dats Y i am thinking how to use max power from my battery & use the 35w as DC.

    Can you confirm if the pulsar 180UG4 Rectifier unit is a direct fit on to CBZ's if yes then I am gona change that one & go ahead with DC conversion.

    My point is that I want to check if Pulsars Rectifier Unit for 2.5A battery can help run 35w DC on my bike..

    Here total cost involved is around 800 ( 400 for DC + around 400 for rectifier)
    If you want DC, as I said, go for rewinding. If you dont want to do that, you will need a custom made rectifier. And if you want to, upgrade the stock RR unit to one from Pulsar/Avenger, but not P180UGIV. For using with P180UGIV RR unit, you will need coil rewinding. An all DC bike has different stator coil compared to an AC/DC combined bike.
    Last edited by abhijeet080808; 09-24-2009, 02:00 PM.

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  • abhilashabhi12
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    Originally posted by Aryan View Post
    Query Approved.
    Thanks Aryan

    I can see from your post that you want 60/55W. If possible rewind your coil and go for a Pulsar/Avenger RR Unit. Only if you want HID, should you think of going for a DC setup. In that case, its better to rewind your coil and go for P180UGIV/Zma/P220 RR Unit.

    Thanks for dat Info bro.. well I want to workout something cheaply , dats Y i am thinking how to use max power from my battery & use the 35w as DC.

    Can you confirm if the pulsar 180UG4 Rectifier unit is a direct fit on to CBZ's if yes then I am gona change that one & go ahead with DC conversion.

    My point is that I want to check if Pulsars Rectifier Unit for 2.5A battery can help run 35w DC on my bike..

    Here total cost involved is around 800 ( 400 for DC + around 400 for rectifier)

    Leave a comment:


  • abhijeet080808
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    I can see from your post that you want 60/55W. If possible rewind your coil and go for a Pulsar/Avenger RR Unit. Only if you want HID, should you think of going for a DC setup. In that case, its better to rewind your coil and go for P180UGIV/Zma/P220 RR Unit.

    Leave a comment:

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