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Thread: MotoGP riders to get dashboard messages from 2018. Good or bad?

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    Default MotoGP riders to get dashboard messages from 2018. Good or bad?

    The Grand Prix Commission have decided to add dashboard messages for MotoGP and Moto3 riders from the 2018 season! Moto2 will get it in 2019 when Magneti Marelli will provide spec ECUs for the series.

    The GP Commission came to this decision at the end of the Assen round of MotoGP. MotoGP and Moto3 riders will be getting dashboard messages from next year itself, thanks to both using spec ECUs. Currently, Race Direction can send limited messages to the rider's dashboard. These are only warning lights of red flags for stopping proceedings and black flags for individual riders.

    There will be a stipulated number of messages which Race Direction can send to a rider. Along with this, even teams can send messages to their rider. As of now, teams can only use pit boards to convey information to their riders. The pit boards are displayed along the main straight, the only place a rider has time look away from his riding.

    The introduction of dashboard messages brings forth two pertinent questions.Safety

    How safe is it to have a rider looking at his dashboard to check his messages? In the heat of battle, it would be near impossible for someone concentrating completely on their riding to check their messages! At 350 kmph while flying down the main straight, even a moment's distraction could have damaging consequences. Though one can argue, riders already are looking away towards the pit board, they can surely manage their dashboards as well then!

    Such a decision would have been made after taking the safety of the riders very seriously. Not the right wrist!

    Currently, once the rider is on the grid, he is alone. Whatever the team had to do, they have done. The rider is in complete control of the situation. He knows when to attack when to conserve tyres, when to pit in case of rain and when to cross the finish line with a wheelie! His right wrist and head are all that matter once the race starts. As the age-old racing adage goes, 'When the flag drops, the bullshit stops!'

    But now team managers can tell the rider what to do. There is no pre-defined message list from which the team needs to choose. They can send any set of instructions they desire. Heck, they can even tell the rider he is fired if he doesn't get on the podium!

    It will become more like Formula 1, where the driver 'heeds' the instructions of his team.

    Fortunately for us spectators, MotoGP racers aren't quite the heeding type! You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. And if a rider so chooses, he can ignore every word of advice given by his team. The Etceteras

    During the 2016 Assen race, a number of MotoGP riders didn't pit in when they teams advised in the heavy rain. They ignored the pit boards in the heat of the battle and paid the price with a bad result. They had been rumblings of dashboard communications before that, but after the race, Valentino Rossi mentioned that it would be a good idea to have. And that has been mulled over for a year before becoming rule at Assen 2017.

    What about cheating? Can teams 'hack' into the messages of other riders and 'order' them to do something incorrect! Might be stretching it too far, but nothing is impossible.

    And finally, a question which many fans will have. Will the dashboard messages be shown on television live? Probably. Since it would add a bit of spice for the spectator, as it happens in Formula 1.

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    Great. First the stupid Spec tyre that works like a lottery system and now an even more stupid measure to turn GP racing into F1 parade laps.
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    Icon13 Re: MotoGP riders to get dashboard messages from 2018. Good or bad?

    We humans communicate... to clear up confusions, to build understanding and to build relations.


    And I don't in my seventh dream intend to do any of the above while racing!! Its a damn tarmac and you gotta win, where's the scope for confusion or need to even talk?
    MotoGP racing is not the situation where you could get away with a second's distraction. Not even street riding for that matter though.

    And what message will it send?
    Our MotoGP riders read texts @ 340 kmph, so all you street drivers can also read texts on cellphones, at speeds far lower than that, is it?



    Still if you stick with the idea, giving not a damn to what fans say, then I recommend having only 6-7 color LEDs, with their respective indications pre cleared, and this can be implemented on the helmet too, not necessarily on the console.
    On track communication may include podium return request, bike ready confirmation, etc.. All these can be indicated by a light, nothing in text form is needed.
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    How the heck does a rider read anything on such a small console which is cluttered with other stuff as it is at 200 kmph plus?
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    MotoGP News - Smith: Virtual pit boards ‘just another way to manipulate series’



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    Default Re: MotoGP riders to get dashboard messages from 2018. Good or bad?

    guys relax, the full details are not yet disclosed. word is that the messages will be two words only.

    and i think there will likely be a limit on the number of them that a team can send to their rider during a race, and/or only for a few specially important scenarios like when there's a flag being waved (often riders have missed seeing a waving flag in the midst of a battle) or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aditya_YZF-R15 View Post
    guys relax, the full details are not yet disclosed. word is that the messages will be two words only.

    and i think there will likely be a limit on the number of them that a team can send to their rider during a race, and/or only for a few specially important scenarios like when there's a flag being waved (often riders have missed seeing a waving flag in the midst of a battle) or something.
    Flag messages have always appeared on dashboard. This is new addition alongside Race Direction's dash messages. As Bradley, ALeix and Cal have said, they already have too many dashboard infos to wrap their head around. Adding more dashboard info is only going to confuse riders and then there's the point that a rider will fixate looking at his dash message and may rear end another rider when he's supposed to be braking.

    As Bradley said, this will also take away the surprise winner from wet races because factories will be able to put more money into hiring strategist who can tell their rider when to pit in based on other rider's data. For example, it wasn't until Marc put on the slicks in the wet that the other factories realized they screwed up the race when they shod intermediates on the bikes to be swapped. And the riders who stayed out also lost out on it. It was a rider's gamble and it benefited him at the end. The chances of independent teams winning a wet race is going to reduce once the factory teams flex their money power to get it right everytime.

    Now with dash messages you take out that element altogether. You can see an example of a dash message here:
    https://twitter.com/nadiatronchoni/s...67761022156800
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    oh, didn't know flag messages have always appeared on their dash boards...articles that i read kept on saying this new system would be beneficial for communication flag messages which many riders often don't notice being waved otherwise...even many riders have apparently said earlier how the new system would help them know about the flags being waved better than having to spot them in the midst of their races taking their eyes out of their racing (sometimes flags are inevitably positioned in a place that can momentarily be not even the line of sight despite being nearby coordinates-wise).

    yes, as with everything, there's positives and downsides of this new system as well...one of the main downsides being that the chances of independent and small teams to win in questionable conditions will be reduced...

    however, bradley's comments lack one important nuance...just like riders can ignore and not follow through with their team's pitboard calls to swap bikes or do whatever else, rides can likewise ignore and not follow through their teams' dashboard messages too...there's no rule saying one has to necessarily follow their team's messages on the dashboard...on the other hand of course, as bradley says, (even after considering the fact that they are free to ignore dashboard messages), unless messages are limited in number or style, most riders will now get info about which part of the track is wet or not, whether other riders are doing better or worse with changed or unchanged bikes (and therefore whether changing or unchanging is a better bet) etc, something which pitboards can't communicate and therefore it is/was one element of the races which was very much dependent on riders' judgements and ignorances of situations which of course is why often surprise wins were obtained by smaller teams once in a while ...

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    Default Re: MotoGP riders to get dashboard messages from 2018. Good or bad?

    Dashboard message:

    "WIN IT AND YOU GET BUTTER CHICKEN OR FORGET IT!!!!!"

    And the rider wins the GP by 45 seconds lead and gets full plate of butter chicken afterwards. Some inspirational message eh!?

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    Default Re: MotoGP riders to get dashboard messages from 2018. Good or bad?

    So even though Dashboard messages will be mandatory in 2018, teams are free to try it out in the 2017 season as well.

    This weekend saw many teams using the dashboard messages on a trial basis.

    And dashboard messages DON'T necessarily work!

    Hector Barbera was given a 'Ride Through' penalty message on his dash for jumping the start. He ignored/ didn't see the message. Which ultimately led him to being black flagged! A wonderful display in how riders can ignore every bit of information if they so want
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