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  • 2Wheel Drive Yamaha R1 tested

    Personally, I have always been keenly following the development of technologies that allow both wheels of a motorcycle to be driven. The benefits in road-holding and handling (especially in low-traction conditions) and in the ability to negotiate adverse off-road conditions make 2WD pretty attractive. And added to that is the obvious engineering challenge of transmitting power to a wheel that moves along all three axes.

    Numerous methods have been tried and things have been steadily moving. The pioneering concept was put up by Rokon Motorcycles (link here) that used a small engine with a narrow powerband always running at or around the maximum power rpm providing drive to both the front and rear wheels through a CVT. Yamaha also did lots of work with hydrostatic drives on a dirt bike. So have other manufacturers. Some, like Christini, have chosen a different path and opted for mechanical power transmission thorugh a complex system of chain/sprocket drives, bevel/cycloid gears coupled with telescoping drive shafts and free-wheeling clutches. (see the link here).

    The latest in the series is a system developed by the famed suspension people, Ohlins. And they have developed, installed, tested and given for testing a 2 wheel drive system for a motorcycle no less than the legendary Yamaha R1.

    Motorcycle News tester Trevor Franklin tested the Ohlins 2 wheel drive Yamaha R1 at the remote Karlskoga Track in Sweden, in the wet, and came away thoroughly impressed by the manner in which the 2 WD system expands the limits of ttraction even for a bike as taut, fast and powerful as the R1. Read the full test report by clicking on the link below:

    Yamaha R1 Ohlins 2WD Review - Yamaha Sportbike Motorcycle Review - Motorcycle USA

    This technology could be a part of the motorcycles we ride sooner than we expect it to.

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  • #2
    News Approved.
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    • #3
      Yes OF. I remember seeing and discussing this with you. Looks pretty ingenious I must say.
      The Wheel was a great invention; Two Wheels with a Motor in between was even better!


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      • #4
        ah ha... making way for a Land Rover on 2 wheels

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        • #5
          Thanks Aryan.

          Originally posted by ken cool View Post
          Yes OF. I remember seeing and discussing this with you. Looks pretty ingenious I must say.
          Yeah Ken. And the ingenuity here lies in the fact that the rear wheel traction defines the proportion of front wheel drive. And this is possible just through the hydraulic drive. Though I also like the neatness possible with hydraulics, yet the Christini mechanical system does arrest the engineer within me.

          Originally posted by HydBiker View Post
          ah ha... making way for a Land Rover on 2 wheels
          KP...now that is brand promotion. 'Land Rover'
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          • #6
            Honestly, I would not mind spending a couple of thousand dollars more for getting a dedicated all wheel drive R1!
            The Wheel was a great invention; Two Wheels with a Motor in between was even better!


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            • #7
              can we see is bike on moto gp track in future...any chances of it ???
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              • #8
                That's a great piece of news. Thanks for sharing it OF sir.

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                • #9
                  Now this could be the end of POWER WHEELIES.. ?? Interesting technology though.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MotorBreath! View Post
                    Now this could be the end of POWER WHEELIES.. ?? Interesting technology though.
                    Well not really, cause technically you can still have your rear wheel moving faster than the front ones...

                    I am just wondering how fun it would be to have two gears as well for front and rear wheel
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Old Fox View Post
                      KP...now that is brand promotion. 'Land Rover'

                      He he ... now I know you keep track of a lot of threads here

                      Had to read that article twice to get a vague idea of how the front wheel is driven and is controlled. Still a few things went over my head... gotta read it again in peace!!!

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                      • #12
                        WOW!!! That's some innovation - Using a hydraulic motor to drive the front wheel.

                        Up to 33 hp can be delivered to the front wheel in this way...........Tests demonstrated the front wheel was able to drive the bike on ice even with chain disconnected.
                        Are there any ill-effects?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by leon_nerd View Post
                          Are there any ill-effects?
                          Leon: Nothing that'll harm the engine I believe. Just that running the additional hydraulics saps power from the engine. Its probably like the air-conditioning loading up a car's engine. But then with a bike like the R1 people like you and me would probably not be affected by the power loss.

                          The other issue is the increased complexity and the allied cost element.

                          As for anything detrimental regarding ride and handling, i believe it should be the other way round. A powered front wheel grips with positive force and that should make for far better handling and road-holding than a free-wheeling front.

                          Would love to get my hands on one for a ride...but then Sweden is a long way off I guess.
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                          • #14
                            Yeah, there should be no harm to the engine other than a little bit of load.

                            Few more things coming to my mind. Even if the front wheel is powered the overall power should be the one generated at the rear end. Definitely the front end will be under more control but it will probably change the way the front brakes will be applied, probably with a little bit of increased difficulty. The hands will be off the throttle but the engine will still try to push the front a little, while the rider is trying to apply the brakes. Moreover since the front wheel is not free, if the bike wheelies during acceleration the touch down might become a little jerky.

                            Nevertheless I am pretty impressed by this and all of my speculations are merely to imagine how the engineers must have already thought about these things and took care of it. We can put this in the to-do list when Sunny plans a road trip around sweden .
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                            • #15
                              Well This project was done way back ! Even before the 2007 R1 had released ! Back then i guess more than 50 % of Ohlins was owned by Yamaha ! Now its like Ohlins have the major share ! so they can sell this to anybody ! that Yamaha had clocked 2 secs faster laptimes consistently In Japan ! These are all info i had gathered for my final year project back in college !

                              My project was over ambitious actually ! The idea was to set a 2 wd bike with a ecu to control the drive given to each wheel with sensors measuring wheel speed etc bla bla bla ! But in the end I did nt even have enough moolah n time to finish the 2 WD , Me n my project mates had loads of Ideas for the 2Wd setup ! but the only one which we could afford was to go in for a flexible shaft to send power to the front wheel ! We had a bevel n pinion setup to draw power from the Gearbox Output shaft and then That transmits the power to the worm setup at the front wheel ! This is simple as it can be said ! I think it will be better to explain it pics !
                              Here goes !
                              The Layout :





                              The new Gearbox Shaft :



                              The Bevel n Pinion setup on the new shaft :





                              The worm Setup in the front !



                              The Bike with the Full setup on :



                              The Whole setup did work very well ! but the main problem was to setup a free wheeling setup for the front ! So when you depress the clutch ! the back wheel free wheels but power still gets going to the front which screwed up the whole setup ! And yeah The whole setup was not efficient ! but i did complete what i had promised to my staff ! A 2wd bike
                              Last edited by suren; 08-13-2009, 01:26 AM.
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