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  • Pirelli Sport Demon review from a P220 owner's perspective.

    I own a 2016 220F and was in dire need of new rubbers.
    You can see from an image below how flat profiled the TVS Euroslips had become. And I still hate the bajaj dealer to this day for not providing with MRFs and I had to do with Euroslip, which are knobby and hard tyres.

    So I thought of Ceat and MRF, but considering my past crashes, and my love for cornering, decided to get some Michelin or Pirelli or Bridgestone tyres.

    Also I had felt the need to upsize my tyres. I don't care about top speed or mileage. All I needed was grip and a radial profile.

    I upsized the puny front tyres to 110/70 radials.
    The rear was only upsized by one size to 130/70.

    Instantly, the bike handled like brand new. Maybe even better than it ever did!!

    It's important to note that I had set the rear preload to max stiffness and increased the rear suspension height by little less of an inch. This loaded the soft front forks.

    Also, due to 110/70 profile, the front tyre to rim height of P220 remained same.
    But the rear 130/70 had a lower tyre to rim height than stock tyres. And the raised suspension maintains the front heavy posture while minutely raising the overall ride height.

    Result?? Shorter Gearing!!!!

    And it really helped that I have a 38t sprocket at the back, which turns the gears even shorter.

    P.S. My intake is fully tuned except for the head porting. But I haven't yet fit an exhaust due to all the legal reasons and pollution issues. So the torque is mind blowing but the bike still resists to rev like an r15 or ninja300. Hope a big bore kit will solve this. [emoji41] #plans.

    Now, coming to the tyres,

    I chose "Pirelli Sport Demon"s of the above sizes simply because I got it for the cheapest among the rest.
    But... "Once I went Pirelli, I never went back to other tyres for my 220F". You just don't need better ones on the 220, trust me.

    I have had really hard breaking moments, so I can now comment on them sport demon radials . It is really hard to lock the front, and even if you do, a microscopic release of the lever puts you right back in traction's limits.
    Just don't try this in corners, you won't get time for that microscopic release.

    The Rear? It just moves around under really heavy braking. There's absolutely little you can do about it if you're hard on the brakes of a 220. It's the frame, it's not your riding!! [emoji14]
    Although the slide from the Pirellis now feels more controllable and progressive rather than alarming.

    But, there's an untold secret. Use all the grip from the Pirellis and with an easily slide-able rear frame structure... You just need to downshift hard and rev match just right to go "backing it in" hard in corners.

    A blessing in disguise, because there's hardly any bike under a certain pricepoint (else wth would I have gone for a 220? I'm kind of poor you know), that's powerful and vague enough to even attempt trying this through which you can practice "backing it in" if you want. The 220F let's you exploit it's bulkiness under braking points to train you to use your tyres and suspension.

    But, you'd think why I'm talking so much about the 220?

    It's because..

    These Pirellis are perfect and more than anyone can ever ask for a Pulsar 220F.

    Note. Just be sure to warm them up a bit. Once warmed enough, they stay warm for long times. Even in rains.

    Hope you like the short review. Thanks a lot.

    Also, I use 26 psi up front and a whopping 38 psi at the rear. It suits my style. It helps me practice and play with traction a bit.

    P.s. How do I persuade Pirelli to provide me with free tyres to review? [emoji12]������������[emoji41]

    Thanks and warm regards,

    Rajdeep Das @racing.the_an_a

    Here's a short 1.5 mins clip of my bike and some corners... As a bonus!



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    Re: Pirelli Sport Demon review from a P220 owner's perspective.

    Thread approved.

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      Re: Pirelli Sport Demon review from a P220 owner's perspective.

      Nice review bro. Since I'm getting my P220 next week, this is helpful. I currently ride a 2008 Honda Shine using Ceat Gripp XL tyres, and my riding style includes occasional off-road kind of character because, you know if Indian roads.

      My query is, how do these Pirelli's handle on rough/off-road patches.

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        Re: Pirelli Sport Demon review from a P220 owner's perspective.

        Originally posted by Zapps View Post
        Nice review bro. Since I'm getting my P220 next week, this is helpful. I currently ride a 2008 Honda Shine using Ceat Gripp XL tyres, and my riding style includes occasional off-road kind of character because, you know if Indian roads.

        My query is, how do these Pirelli's handle on rough/off-road patches.
        On fully offroad condition these perform less than average.
        But not shitty enough to skid yourself if you ride smoothly.

        But bring the picture of some sand and gravel on the tarmac, or a try turning your bike in a gravelly road, you're in some serious trouble.

        I say, if you only ride on tarmac, you'd be fully sorted.

        The grip in wet conditions is stupendous. Far better than any other tyres I've ridden. Just be progressive with the brakes and throttle.

        But the best part is the freakish amount of lean it offers. Don't believe me?

        Go check that video again.

        Just measure the angle made by the scenic horizon, from center. There you go. You'll even have an estimate of maximum leans possible at diff speeds. Before you even own yours!

        Congratulations by the way.

        Happy riding [emoji106][emoji106]
        P220 has a very special place in my heart. [emoji56]

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          Re: Pirelli Sport Demon review from a P220 owner's perspective.

          Another photo of the tyre.

          The chicken strips you see are the maximum needed lean for the tyres. You can of course go further.

          But it's pointless.

          The 220F runs out of juice before needing further lean. Also, you'd definitely be knee dragging too if you go this far end of the tyre.

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            Re: Pirelli Sport Demon review from a P220 owner's perspective.

            Bro, since you've up-sized the tires, how has it affected fuel economy (before/after)?

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              Re: Pirelli Sport Demon review from a P220 owner's perspective.

              Originally posted by Zapps View Post
              Bro, since you've up-sized the tires, how has it affected fuel economy (before/after)?
              Not much. Around 2 kmpl difference hardly.

              Gearing and the tyre contact patch affects mileage. It's giving up little in place of more traction. And I think that's a pretty good deal if you ride passionately.

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                Re: Pirelli Sport Demon review from a P220 owner's perspective.

                Originally posted by racing.the_an_a View Post
                Not much. Around 2 kmpl difference hardly.

                Gearing and the tyre contact patch affects mileage. It's giving up little in place of more traction. And I think that's a pretty good deal if you ride passionately.
                What exactly is the FE you were getting with Euroslips?

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                  Re: Pirelli Sport Demon review from a P220 owner's perspective.

                  Originally posted by Zapps View Post
                  What exactly is the FE you were getting with Euroslips?
                  Around 25/32 ... city/highway.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Pirelli Sport Demon review from a P220 owner's perspective.

                    Originally posted by racing.the_an_a View Post
                    So I thought of Ceat and MRF, but considering my past crashes, and my love for cornering, decided to get some Michelin or Pirelli or Bridgestone tyres.

                    The rear was only upsized by one size to 130/70.
                    Good choice with the Pirelli, but if you are not into upsizing and want the best trye from the rest of the brand would to take a look at MRF Zapper Vyde 120/80-17, these are the best one with MRF when it comes to grip on the 220F.
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                      Re: Pirelli Sport Demon review from a P220 owner's perspective.

                      Originally posted by kiran2508 View Post
                      Good choice with the Pirelli, but if you are not into upsizing and want the best trye from the rest of the brand would to take a look at MRF Zapper Vyde 120/80-17, these are the best one with MRF when it comes to grip on the 220F.
                      Thanks for the info man. I will surely try them out if I think of going back to the stock size some day.

                      But you do know the 220 is horrifying in corners. Hence I'll stick with the upsized ones as of now.

                      Also, it's a shame my 220 never got to wear MRFs ever. Stock were Euroslips, and later upsized with Pirellis.

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                        Re: Pirelli Sport Demon review from a P220 owner's perspective.

                        Even I got Euroslips as stock, just got my bike today BTW.

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                          Re: Pirelli Sport Demon review from a P220 owner's perspective.

                          Originally posted by racing.the_an_a View Post
                          Also, due to 110/70 profile, the front tyre to rim height of P220 remained same.
                          I just wanted to add, are you about there is no impact? stock 90/90 tyre would have given you 81mm side wall where as 110/80 will give you only 77mm side wall height, result? Your bike will be displaying less speed on the speedometer when the actual will be higher, my guess is around 2-3kmph.

                          Do correct me on this if you are not seeing any difference once you check the speed with GPS and compare it.

                          Originally posted by racing.the_an_a View Post
                          Also, it's a shame my 220 never got to wear MRFs ever.
                          All other MRF's are useless Zapper C,Q,Y,Meteor etc etc interms of outright grip, but the only one stands out is the MRF Vyde.
                          Ceat Zoom-F 120/80 are also really great, not for cornering and stuff, but for pure wet and dry grip on a straight line.

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                            Re: Pirelli Sport Demon review from a P220 owner's perspective.

                            Originally posted by kiran2508 View Post
                            I just wanted to add, are you about there is no impact? stock 90/90 tyre would have given you 81mm side wall where as 110/80 will give you only 77mm side wall height, result? Your bike will be displaying less speed on the speedometer when the actual will be higher, my guess is around 2-3kmph.

                            Do correct me on this if you are not seeing any difference once you check the speed with GPS and compare it.


                            All other MRF's are useless Zapper C,Q,Y,Meteor etc etc interms of outright grip, but the only one stands out is the MRF Vyde.
                            Ceat Zoom-F 120/80 are also really great, not for cornering and stuff, but for pure wet and dry grip on a straight line.

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                            I really can't say about the speeds. Although I can put up a video with GPS telemetry that shows a max of 118 kmph using the gopro hero 5 black.

                            But I think I will just be misleading you all because my bike has done more than 30k, and I think it's high time I replace the factory clutch plates. I never rode sanely on my bike anyway ever . But I believe I never abused it's engine in any way. I knew to shift properly beforehand. So the only thing I could ever destroy are the clutch plates.

                            Also the bike's geometry is such thant the rear is raised by 1 inch, and the suspension stiffened. So that might also eat into the acceleration and speeds.

                            But I have much better tipping and stability in corners than any stock 220. Also due to the geometry change and fatter tyres, I feel I can brake harder than the previously stock form.

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                              Re: Pirelli Sport Demon review from a P220 owner's perspective.

                              Originally posted by Zapps View Post
                              Even I got Euroslips as stock, just got my bike today BTW.
                              You still have time... Pressurize the dealer into giving you MRFs man!!!

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