Yet Another What Bike Thread! FZ-16 or R-15 or Mojo?

[iVinay]

Hi all,

I've been an ardent fan and a silent non-member of xBhp, been following tons of discussions lately and finally decided to join the bandwagon!

I'm going through the time where choices become a lottery tickets, you want to pick that lucky one which will cheer you rest of life but I do understand it isn't quiet easy to be lucky. Did some ground work and picked few motorbikes of my choice. I'd be very please if you can provide your feedback be it ownership experience, technical experience or just a passionate biker.

My budget is 1L but can extend upto 1.5 if the machine demands it. I've been using TVS makes in India, mostly Victor families until the Apache launched. I've been using Aprilla (RS 125) & Derbi (GPR 125R) in UK, loved both the bikes for its power! My display picture has the Derbi GPR 125R and I was completely in love with it for a year. I'm back to India and have neem having tough time choosing my bike in last, went through 100s of threads and 1000s of discussions.

I'm in between Yamaha FZ16 and R15. I also waited until 30th for Mahindra's launch, kinda disappointed on the design but the spec looks amazing. I'm still not sure if I should have it in my list.

I'm 6' 1" and weigh around 75KG. My main usage will be for city commuting, I also plan on taking part in Chennai G2Gs for long rides/touring. Performance is key priority and Style/Design is equally important too. I'm bit skeptical on R15 as the height of the bike seems very low compared to FZ16. I have a plan on getting FZ16 now, and save money to get better performing bike in next couple of years. If R15 can fulfill all my needs (commuting & touring), I'll go for it.

I'd be happy if someone can recommend me one among three, or simply vote and give your feedback on the model. Unicorn Dazzler, RTR 180, ZMR have been in my list but I planned to zero on Yamaha for lot many reasons. Ninja also sounds like a good option but quiet out of my budget, sure I can take a loan but does it suit City Roads and good on maintenance?

Thanks in advance folks, look forward to your feedback

Cheers

[sunilg]

Query approved.

[aargee]

Looking at RS & GPR, they seem a close match to Yamaha R15's riding posture, which means you'll find a better suit with R15 as a previous rider of RS & GPR. Also, one of the draw back of R15 on riding posture is your positive aspect. But looking at the practical side, the high revving R15 wouldn't pull you as much as other motorcycles in the same category in the city limits. But technically speaking, R15 is the best.

But again, what suited well in UK might not suit well here. Imagine the lean riding position on a bumper to bumper inching rides during the peak hour in R15.

Performance is key priority and Style/Design is equally important. Power is also an important but I understand I cannot expect everything in one. I'm skeptical on R15 as the height of the bike seems very low compared with FZ-16 which is kinda of ok for me.

Both are good in their own category; with FZ you compromise on power, but you save money; with R15, you spend money, but gain on performance.

Unicorn Dazzler

Heard its good; I've ridden the old Unicorn & felt its absolute VFM product w.r.t performance & mileage & best in that segment. So should Dazzler continue the legend. Anyway Honda in India has only one product that it couldn't sell well - Eterno & little less on Dio; otherwise Honda has a good reputation in India. Check this out for more info as why Dazzler was chosen over FZ - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/help-me/...er-2010-a.html

RTR 180, ZMR have been in my list but I planned to zero on Yamaha for lot many reasons.

Good to see a Yamaha fan like me ; but ZMR seems to be a good choice for now as it has almost same or more power of R15 (but remember the mill of R15 is 149 CC compared to ZMR's 223cc), is more torquey, which means good for city rides & ZMR is rated as best touring motorcycle in India for its comfortable riding position.

RTR is no doubt one of my favs, but still I feel they're little behind than Bajaj.

Ninja also sounds like a good option but quiet out of my budget, sure I can take a loan but does it suit City Roads?

Well it depends on what time of day you're riding; it definitely suits the city but not offroading from what I heard. However, my point with Kwacker 250 is that, you buy this only when you don't want to replace it for few years unless you have a very deep pocket.

Regarding Mojo - Yes, I do like it (like, how a Mother could hate her children ); go for it if you're prepared to test the water. What I mean is, if you enjoy experimenting, then Mojo is good because no one knows how the motorcycle is going to perform here. If its successful, then you're the proud owner of one of the best motorcycles launched in India, otherwise, you've to live with it or Mojo has to live with you

Even the best motorcycle in the world has got its own pros & cons; try listing out the practical features that you're looking here & try to compromise on the shortfalls.

Did you consider any motorcycle from Bajaj family? LS135 or P220? They work for your budget too.

[Satyamzma]

i think you should wait for mojo response first and then go for it....rest of the bikes are fine...but comparing FZ to R15 and 300cc Mojo is not the right way to go about it...You should go for Yamaha R15...You will Enjoy it..

[RISHIS]

Go for the YAM R15........ No more comments......

[chicane1879]

@ivinay

You have shortlisted bikes which cant be compared as all of them are as different as chalk and cheese.

It's like choosing between Yamaha Crux, the Gladiator and the R15!!

If you have the money and need to buy one rightaway then it has to be the R15 otherwise it's Mojo all the way(But i think you should wait for first hand reports before zeroing on it).

[happybiking]

1st Remove the FZ of your list as you have already ridden the GPR & RS.

Wait for Mojo's test-ride reports. If you absolutely hate the looks then leave it and go for the R15. Only this one sounds well suited for you from the present lot.

RTR is no doubt one of my favs, but still I feel they're little behind than Bajaj.

Didn't get your point...behind in terms of ?

[aargee]

Didn't get your point...behind in terms of ?

Market timing

[RX88]

i feel mojo will be overall a different catogory but regarding the performance cannot be said now unless someone with an ownership experience shares his views,r15 is a good option but considering mojo a 300cc engine,looks diff,overall different category.

[varun_r15]

As our fellow riders suggested, Fz will be too underpowered and uncomfortable ( in respect of riding posture) for you.

Second thing you can't compare a 300cc with its 1/2. Am I right ..?
As Chicane said, if your budget allows then go for Mojo any day but wait for its first ride report.
R15 can be be picked up blindly, there shouldn't be any doubts regarding that since you already rode similar bikes.
All the best.

[iVinay]

Looking at RS & GPR, they seem a close match to Yamaha R15's riding posture, which means you'll find a better suit with R15 as a previous rider of RS & GPR. Also, one of the draw back of R15 on riding posture is your positive aspect.

Both are good in their own category; with FZ you compromise on power, but you save money; with R15, you spend money, but gain on performance.

Regarding Mojo - Yes, I do like it (like, how a Mother could hate her children ); go for it if you're prepared to test the water. What I mean is, if you enjoy experimenting, then Mojo is good because no one knows how the motorcycle is going to perform here. If its successful, then you're the proud owner of one of the best motorcycles launched in India, otherwise, you've to live with it or Mojo has to live with you

Even the best motorcycle in the world has got its own pros & cons; try listing out the practical features that you're looking here & try to compromise on the shortfalls.

Did you consider any motorcycle from Bajaj family? LS135 or P220? They work for your budget too.

R15 does sound perfect to me in all except for seating posture. I did a test drive and found the seating arrangement very low (because of my height?) or is this is a positive factor as you have mentioned?. I have been riding RS & GPR, but R15 seating seems lower than them. This is the only thing that concerns me, other than that the bike is splendid. I don't plan on doing regular long rides, but I do look forward in joining G2Gs for road trip, will this bike be good for such long rides?

The only reason I had FZ in my mind is, just incase R15 doesn't suit my needs I'd go with FZ and I couldn't find any other bike compelling to me in Indian market. Mojo was in my list because I initially had plans on choosing between R15 and Mojo after the release date, I know the specs are totally different but more than just specs I was expecting the bike to be available for purchase by October 1st week. Now that its availability is scheduled to December 2010/January 2011, thats another 3 months wait I'm not sure if I should risk waiting that long only to find R15 is much better purchase than Mojo. FZ is my choice only if I don't plan on getting R15/Mojo, I'm not comparing the specs of FZ vs R15 vs Mojo, just need expert users feedback!

Bajaj, just NO. Again for various reasons, feedback from my friends & lot of xBhp users comments and so forth. HH ZMA/ZMR is just too huge, I know its the best tourer available in Indian Market currently, but I think the size over shades the biker (my opinion).

i think you should wait for mojo response first and then go for it....rest of the bikes are fine...but comparing FZ to R15 and 300cc Mojo is not the right way to go about it...You should go for Yamaha R15...You will Enjoy it..

@ivinay

You have shortlisted bikes which cant be compared as all of them are as different as chalk and cheese.

It's like choosing between Yamaha Crux, the Gladiator and the R15!!

If you have the money and need to buy one rightaway then it has to be the R15 otherwise it's Mojo all the way(But i think you should wait for first hand reports before zeroing on it).

i feel mojo will be overall a different catogory but regarding the performance cannot be said now unless someone with an ownership experience shares his views,r15 is a good option but considering mojo a 300cc engine,looks diff,overall different category.

As our fellow riders suggested, Fz will be too underpowered and uncomfortable ( in respect of riding posture) for you.

Second thing you can't compare a 300cc with its 1/2. Am I right ..?
As Chicane said, if your budget allows then go for Mojo any day but wait for its first ride report.
R15 can be be picked up blindly, there shouldn't be any doubts regarding that since you already rode similar bikes.
All the best.

The comment I posted for aargee above in red is my reason for comparing FZ vs R15 vs Mojo, again its not a comparison of the specs. Just need compelling reason to choose one and ignore the rest!

Cheers

[aargee]

R15 does sound perfect to me in all except for seating posture.

Quite surprised to hear!!! If you're used to RS, then I thought R15 is the closest to get in India.

other than that the bike is splendid.

I don't plan on doing regular long rides, but I do look forward in joining G2Gs for road trip, will this bike be good for such long rides?

Even if you plan long rides, R15 is just perfect.
Try doing this, try riding R15 in a stop & go traffic or take out your Victor, make a good long ride, come back & then try R15. Idea being to get yourself exhausted & then try the comfort on R15. I know its not a good idea, otherwise, you need to ride any of our member's R15 for a long ride in group so as you'll get an idea on how comfortable or uncomfortable it is.

The only reason I had FZ in my mind is, just incase R15 doesn't suit my needs I'd go with FZ and I couldn't find any other bike compelling to me in Indian market.

What's the problem with Fz? I don't see anything other than low mileage & few people complaining about the weak looking (only the looks) of the rear alloy wheel; it gives a good riding posture & definite 3 digit speed & has got one of the killer looks in India.

Bajaj, just NO. Again for various reasons, feedback from my friends & lot of xBhp users comments and so forth.

Not sure what you heard; if maintained well, Bajaj rocks. But anyway, I'm not forcing you either, as I'm a Yamaha fan & personally I stay neutral with Pulsar family.

HH ZMA/ZMR is just too huge, I know its the best tourer available in Indian Market currently, but I think the size over shades the biker (my opinion).

Yep, depends with people; personally I love the looks of ZMR, though I don't like to own one Upto you.

Anyway, from your posts I'm getting a message that you're already in love with R15. If you're heart says R15, then, no looking further, simply go for it. BTW, have you decided the color ?

[iVinay]

What's the problem with Fz? I don't see anything other than low mileage & few people complaining about the weak looking (only the looks) of the rear alloy wheel; it gives a good riding posture & definite 3 digit speed & has got one of the killer looks in India.

Anyway, from your posts I'm getting a message that you're already in love with R15. If you're heart says R15, then, no looking further, simply go for it. BTW, have you decided the color ?

Aha! You have given every good points to go for FZ, I'm happy even if the bike gives me 40+ on mileage and I really like the look of FZ even the rear alloy wheel, only thing that made me think again was its is speed.. if it can go over 90+ that would be great. R15, my heart is totally on it but something says to pick FZ now and to wait a year or two to get bigger monster than taking R15 and getting stuck with it.

Do you suggest going for FZ now and waiting one/two years and pick a bigger/better bike when we have different choices/varieties or get R15 which will be good investment for 3 years down the line, provided we don't see any big releases in 2 years? I don't want to pick R15 now and see new releases shaping up in 1 year to leave me disappointed!

I was about to ask feedback on color, glad you started it already. Black has always been my favourite choice for years, every vehicle/gadgets I owned was always black. R15 black looks hot, the black with gold color on wheels (limited edition) looks even more sexier but I don't think its available anymore? The 2010's Limited Edition (White & Red) doesn't seem to be in stock anywhere. Other than Black, any color that is really good on R15? Blue looks gorgeous only after black, not really keen on Yellow & Red.

250R (worth every penny you spend)

used 250R (if you come across...)

R15

Happy buying

I'm still considering 250R, an used one sounds good. What would be the average cost of a used 250R. Thanks for your recommendation!

Cheers

[riazmomin]

Seems that your heart is struck with R15.
Leave aside FZ, there are better bikes than it in its class if you keep looks apart (purely subjective). FZ and R15 deliver almost same mileage and some times R15 betters it.

Dont worry about the riding posture + you height combinations. It might trouble you only in the traffic situations...on all other situations R15 holds good for Touring and does good too. FZ would struggle a bit post 90kmph where as R15 is still below its crusing speeds.

...Err...why Am I comparing FZ with R15....go with R15. If you are not in urgency wait for reviews on Mojo till jan and get spoilt by more choices post Diwali.

[shrinathrao]

have you taken the Test ride of the R15 and FZ back to back? by the way why you dont have the RTR180 in your list as thats the bike which is the second rocket after R15.