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**The Monk** · 09-05-2016, 12:11 PM

Re: Wait for the CRF1000L or go get the 1200 Enduro?

Query Approved

Do share your ownership experience whenever you do pick your bike

All the best!

**Dandamudi Mohan Krishna** · 09-06-2016, 03:12 PM

Re: Wait for the CRF1000L or go get the 1200 Enduro?

I'm not a pro in the adventure bikes but Africa Twin caught my eye the first thing everyone tells about it is its riding quality everyone loves it.
And since you mentioned you will be using in traffic it would be better option as it's light weight in its category.
But only problem is, don't know how the service will be handled by Honda.

**hisunil** · 09-07-2016, 02:28 PM

Re: Wait for the CRF1000L or go get the 1200 Enduro?

Originally posted by Dandamudi Mohan Krishna View Post

I'm not a pro in the adventure bikes but Africa Twin caught my eye the first thing everyone tells about it is its riding quality everyone loves it.
And since you mentioned you will be using in traffic it would be better option as it's light weight in its category.
But only problem is, don't know how the service will be handled by Honda.

Originally posted by The Monk View Post

Query Approved

Do share your ownership experience whenever you do pick your bike

All the best!

Thanks Monk,

@monk Looks like you are sure I will pick one of these, I hope so too. Surely will write review when I pick one.
[MENTION=22695]mohan[/MENTION] yet the CRF will be good but the wait drives me Crazy!

This is an interesting video, the closest I got to the answer.

@sunilg ; @Sunny; @Old Fox; @praveenkm; @nfsnfs; @rossiter; @SKSy_Biker; @srisetty; @strider;

Any inputs guys?

Thanks
Sunil

**The Monk** · 09-07-2016, 02:53 PM

Re: Wait for the CRF1000L or go get the 1200 Enduro?

Originally posted by hisunil View Post

Thanks Monk,

@monk Looks like you are sure I will pick one of these, I hope so too. Surely will write review when I pick one.

I am reasonably sure you will pick some bike

Just out of curiosity, how come you haven't considered the Tiger 800, which is quite a capable bike and much cheaper or even the V-Strom, which isn't quite in the same league, but still!

**hisunil** · 09-07-2016, 09:50 PM

Re: Wait for the CRF1000L or go get the 1200 Enduro?

Originally posted by The Monk View Post

I am reasonably sure you will pick some bike

Just out of curiosity, how come you haven't considered the Tiger 800, which is quite a capable bike and much cheaper or even the V-Strom, which isn't quite in the same league, but still!

Sir The Tiger 800 was very heavy, had tried it in Hessarghatta, but a friend Vaidee has picked up a XCa and we took it two weeks ago to K-gudi (tiger reserve) and it was very different beast than the test ride bike. didn't like the test ride one it was very heavy and sort of stalling at low speeds.

I am looking at more offroad ones, and hence the choice between 1200 Enduro and the DCT.

Cheers
Sunil

**hisunil** · 09-20-2016, 08:03 PM

Re: Wait for the CRF1000L or go get the 1200 Enduro?

Read another excellent article on the same lines!

2016 Ducati Multistrada 1200 Enduro: Amazing, But I Can't Think Of A Reason To Buy One

Cheers
Sunil

**rachitkdogra** · 09-20-2016, 08:50 PM

Re: Wait for the CRF1000L or go get the 1200 Enduro?

I am no expert in Adventure bikes, but a friend owns a GS so I sort of keep a tab of the segment. Africa Twin has excellent reviews all around.
I have spoken to Honda guys, it will be CKD and that is why a bit of time in getting launched. But the positive news is, it is coming.
It wouldn't be priced closer to Tiger in my opinion, but it should definitely be cheaper than the Ducati Enduro if that is one of the criteria.

For some reason I will prefer the Honda for after sales reliability and cost of ownership. I in no way am saying that Ducati wouldn't be reliable, just that I feel the Honda will be more reliable and cost of ownership would be less. Also, from the reviews Africa twin hides its weight well so it should be easier to handle in traffic if you end up taking it to bangalore roads.

Best of luck and waiting eagerly for an interesting ownership thread.

CHEERS!!

Rachit

**hisunil** · 09-22-2016, 07:41 PM

Re: Wait for the CRF1000L or go get the 1200 Enduro?

Originally posted by rachitkdogra View Post

I am no expert in Adventure bikes, but a friend owns a GS so I sort of keep a tab of the segment. Africa Twin has excellent reviews all around.
I have spoken to Honda guys, it will be CKD and that is why a bit of time in getting launched. But the positive news is, it is coming.
It wouldn't be priced closer to Tiger in my opinion, but it should definitely be cheaper than the Ducati Enduro if that is one of the criteria.

For some reason I will prefer the Honda for after sales reliability and cost of ownership. I in no way am saying that Ducati wouldn't be reliable, just that I feel the Honda will be more reliable and cost of ownership would be less. Also, from the reviews Africa twin hides its weight well so it should be easier to handle in traffic if you end up taking it to bangalore roads.

Best of luck and waiting eagerly for an interesting ownership thread.

CHEERS!!

Rachit

Hi Rachit,

Yes you are right, 1200 Enduro is Heavy, I would not be using it for local commute in BLR roads, but recently learnt that Ducati's quality was not that good in the 80's or 90's but have improved drastically in the 20's, in particular issues with the multistrada issues are listed in Multistrada 2015 and 2016 Owners - Feedback requested regarding major problems - Page 4 - Ducati.ms - The Ultimate Ducati Forum
Also learnt form a Friend who owned a Ducati that spares are VERY expensive!

Wondering what will happen if I use the 1200 Enduro off road and break a few parts! in the act!

Cheers
Sunil

**red liner** · 09-23-2016, 05:39 PM

Re: Wait for the CRF1000L or go get the 1200 Enduro?

Sunil, I know what off road you mean, because I know you from the days of jeep thrills in Bangalore.

What you will be able to achieve with all these heavy bikes is only soft Enduro. Nothing more than that. More than anything it will be your own skill level which will stop you from going crazy trail riding or log jumping with these bikes.

That said, the africa twin is the bike you should look at. However, the Beemer 800 gs is also launching this November and you should definitely keep that as part of your overall choice. The triumph is a bit old in the tooth right now, and the Ducati is just too heavy for any kind of riding.

I would also ask you to look at the Suzuki V Strom 1000. Wire wheels, 19 inch front wheel, the works.

**hisunil** · 09-24-2016, 10:40 AM

Re: Wait for the CRF1000L or go get the 1200 Enduro?

Originally posted by red liner View Post

Sunil, I know what off road you mean, because I know you from the days of jeep thrills in Bangalore.

What you will be able to achieve with all these heavy bikes is only soft Enduro. Nothing more than that. More than anything it will be your own skill level which will stop you from going crazy trail riding or log jumping with these bikes.

That said, the africa twin is the bike you should look at. However, the Beemer 800 gs is also launching this November and you should definitely keep that as part of your overall choice. The triumph is a bit old in the tooth right now, and the Ducati is just too heavy for any kind of riding.

I would also ask you to look at the Suzuki V Strom 1000. Wire wheels, 19 inch front wheel, the works.

Thanks red liner (apologies don't know your Real name).

Yes true, what I actually want to do is trail riding and touring. meeting few ducati owners today to get a feel for service and spares, talking to some fellow riders have learnt that Ducati or BMW will cost quite a bit for spares and regular normal service too (in the order of 20 - 30 k INR for each service!) and if I happen to break a part or two it will cost in L's plus few months of waiting!

Every one recommends the Japs for reliability and low cost of ownership especially the Honda Africa twin fits the bill very well. I guess inevitably have to wait for the BMW to come in and the twin to be launched

else get a deprecated preowned tiger (around 8L) for a year and then get the one after its launched.

Cheers
Sunil

**hisunil** · 09-24-2016, 08:56 PM

Re: Wait for the CRF1000L or go get the 1200 Enduro?

Met some Ducati owners today, My key take aways :

1. Multi's have no Major issues like in engine etc (read on few forums), around 12 are in Bangalore and none have big issues as yet (barring a few with fuel sensor / other sensor issues, that were replaced under warranty)
2. They are not ridiculously expensive w.r.t service, when compared with similar class, especially considering longer service intervals! (I thought Ducati needs more frequent service)
3. Parts are very expensive and major parts will need to wait for few months
4. Absolute return on expenditure (NOT investment

) for the features that the 1200 enduro has to offer, especially w.r.t relative pricing in other countries. (21L on road BLR without ANY packs!)

Will need a test ride to make a decision,
if you remove the off-road part of the requirement, the Enduro is an ALL-go even with its High seat & Huge weight.

My Key comparison points w.r.t Africa twin and the 1200 Enduro below:

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                      Africa Twin          1200 Enduro          Whats Good?


Ground Clearance    249mm/9.8"            205mm/8"          AT - 1.8"  more
Weight              241.7/231.3Kgs        254 Kgs           AT - 23Kgs less
Seat Height         869mm/34.2"           870mm/34.25"      Similar    
Cost                13699$                21295$            AT - 55%   less
BNG ExShowRoom      17260$/11.57LRs       26467$/17.75LRs   AT - 55%   less
BNG OnRoad          20365$/13.65LRs       31421$/21.06LRs   AT - 55%   less
Looks/Presence      Not Huge/Good Finish  Huge/Good Finish  DE - Good Road presence.

Africa Twin price as arrived by comparing CBR 650 price in USA and in BLR and the same ration is applied for Africa Twin Price estimates.

PS: While riding to meet the Ducati owners, was wondering what is really wrong with my Duke 390! what is the compelling reason to upgrade to a more powerful and heavier machine?!

Cheers
Sunil

**hisunil** · 10-03-2016, 11:55 AM

Re: Wait for the CRF1000L or go get the 1200 Enduro?

Hello Guys,

After Much Deliberation, Consultation, Contemplation have booked the 1200 Enduro Red for INR 21.06L on road BLR without any packs!

It's a lot of tax paid money! that's earned through employment! had resistance at home, and was myself not convinced with the WHY par't.
but then haven't done anything as yet in my life that I look back to regret! and didnt want this to be the first instance.

Besides @ 40 I will need Physiotherapy followed by exercises to strengthen My back, if at a later stage it will only get worst so with all the crazy justification went a head and BOOKED IT!
[MENTION=38603]The Monk[/MENTION],

You were right I ended up picking one of them

Cheers
Sunil

**The Monk** · 10-04-2016, 11:07 AM

Re: Wait for the CRF1000L or go get the 1200 Enduro?

Congratulations

**hisunil** · 10-04-2016, 11:43 AM

Re: Wait for the CRF1000L or go get the 1200 Enduro?

Originally posted by The Monk View Post

Congratulations

Its a Grey now not Red!

no stock of Red, need to wait till 20th Oct it seems, also the Grey actually goes well with the side panels in aluminum and the bottom guard etc, they are all in the same colour scheme!

Cheers
Sunil

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