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Ducati 799 Panigale rumours

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IT doesn't take a genius to see the way Ducati's model range tends to evolve and so the fact that a smaller version of the new Panigale – effectively a replacement for the 848 – is the latest machine to be grinding through the internet rumour mill is barely a surprise.

You only have to look at the development record of the last few iterations of Ducati superbike engine to see where the firm's new Superquadro motor is likely go in future. Both the 851/916 Desmoquattro and then the Testastretta and Testrastretta Evo filtered down from the superbikes they first appeared in to eventually power naked bikes (Monster and Streetfighter), smaller bikes (748, 749 and 848) and other random machines like the ST4, Multistrada and Diavel. So despite its incredible 195bhp claims and radical race-inspired architecture, there's little reason to believe that the Superquadro will remain exclusive to the 1199 Panigale. And of all the bikes in the 2012 Ducati range, with the 1198 gone it's the 848 that's looking like the odd man out at the moment. A Panigale-based replacement would simply production by sharing components with the bigger bike as well as addressing the fact that in comparison with the Panigale the existing 848 looks a little old-hat.

The intriguing aspect of the latest rumours is the suggestion that the mini-Panigale will actually use a smaller engine than the current 848, dropping back to 750cc (despite a typically-confusing 799 name) to re-open the possibility of the bike entering competition against 600cc four-cylinder supersports machines and the new crop of 675cc triples on track.

Will it happen? Our bet is that yes, a smaller Panigale is inevitable, probably within the next year or so. The smaller motor makes sense, too, provided Ducati can get Panigale-matching power levels from it. If the 1199cc version manages 195bhp, that puts a 750cc model at 122bhp – close enough to rival 600s and 675s, particularly when the extra torque of a 750cc twin is added to the equation. The only problem would be that with a 100cc capacity disadvantage it might struggle to beat the performance of the existing 848Evo, which has a claimed 140bhp (although that's really only around 118bhp at the wheel).


Source: Ducati 799 Panigale rumours - Motorcycle news: New bikes - Visordown

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princesirohi

good, but is this news or speculation??

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Prince, I guess its a rumor as the title suggests.
Yes, even I speculated this many months ago in the Panigale 1199 thread... (But, I'm not saying I started the rumor, or did I?)

Its blaringly obvious that 848 is their supersport representative which can benefit a lot from the recent upgrades to the 1199. Typically, the Monocoque, the electronics, the all color elaborate instrumentation, mass centralisation, brembo monoblocs, etc. can all be transferred to the 749-848cc, whatever it will be.

This is a really funny way to calculate Power.

Its just an approximate way and slightly justifiable, because Low displacement machines can rev higher due to less piston speeds so power is on their side, and on the flip side of this argument, high displacement machines can be tuned in other ways, apart from bore x stroke (without losing much torque down there) so even they make up for their lack of revving...

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Ducati 798 Desmosport R Concept




Much has been speculated about the alleged Ducati 799 Superbike that surely is being planned in Borgo Panigale this very minute.
Connecting the dots with the Italian company’s product roadmap, Ducati surely has a smaller-displacement version of its 1199 Panigale
in the works, though what it will be called and what displacement it will use is still the subject of much conjecture. Today Oberdan Bezzi
takes us back down that thought process with his Ducati 798 Desmosport R concept.

A supersport-market model, Bezzi’s focus is not with the water-cooled 1,200cc Superquadro motor, but the tried and true DesmoDue
air-cooled lump currently found in the Hypermotard and Monster lines. Looking for a €9,000 price point, 100hp power figure, and 365 lbs
dry weight, Oberdan Bezzi is striking the same vein that Radical Ducati and NCR have been touching on for the past few years, albeit at
different ends of the price spectrum.



Clearly taking some design and technical cues from the Panigale, the Ducati 798 Desmosport R concept still features a traditional
Ducati trellis-style frame (sorry frameless chassis lovers). It seems unreasonable at the price and performance spec mentioned that
the Desmosport R concept actually be a 800cc-ish machine, given that the 1,100cc version of the air-cooled twin puts out a paltry
100hp in its EVO form. Still, a lightweight air-cooled Italian sport bike? That is something Ducatisti have been clamoring about
for ages — thankfully Pierobon built one.


Source: http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bike...oberdan-bezzi/

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Not close enough to rivals. They need 750cc motor to match the power of others' 600cc. Why are these guys so reluctant to consider more than 2 cylinders engine?

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Those renditions were a mod job uploaded by a member in Visor down.... blah..

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I think compared to this design, inlines are going to be more wider. And I'm not sure if the inlines can take such a frameless design. And what else do we have expect inlines for a racing engine? Err... Nothing. We can't use a boxer here. Ok, maybe V4...

Anyways, V Twin is the Ducati character and they can't make it have more cylinders than its bigger brother itself... can it?


@ Satyen: True, but the article does mention that it is in making... As of now, we can have renders and estimates only.
I estimate it to have an all new 749-799cc V-Twin engine. It should rev upto around 14k and give some 125 bhp at crank, but weigh under 160 kgs wet. But of course, my estimate is just another estimate off the internet world...