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  • Hero or Hercules

    Need a good cycle..budget around 10k...Hero, Hercules or BSA would do...Fox, Orbea, Canondale are out of question. Looking for Indian brand...any suggestions please pour in...will be riding cycle directly after 7th std of school....Pics will be helpful.
    Have already googled it but experts like you are better than having search engine information....Will be getting it this weekend (resident of pune, If anyone can accompany, always welcome)

    Both the brands are ok with me as they are in my budget...
    Most of the use will be fitness and riding once a while over the weekend
    In all this i do want 21spd, FS, Disc Brakes. These are my primary requirements.
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    Do you hate yourself? Why do you want a crap bike?

    Listen to the wisdom here:
    BikesZone - Cycling • View topic - The ultimate 'What bike should I buy' thread
    and the words of wisdom from Jeremy Yatt here:
    Cycling Gyan - Culled from BikesZone | FreeRiding
    The first is: Light. Strong. Cheap. Pick any two. If it's cheap, it
    might be light but not strong. And if it is strong it wont be light...

    The big mistake a lot of people make when buying new is to be impressed & influenced by the peripherals like suspensions and brakes. It's like deciding to buy a car based on the sound system rather than the engine and chassis. It's not necessarily wrong but it may not be the right reason to buy it. There is nothing wrong with rim brakes (in fact they work just as well, are more reliable and more serviceable) and dual suspension is a luxury for extreme downhill racers. A 21 speed is really limiting your ratios; 24 is the least you should look for.

    I don't know the bike in question but a dual suspension MTB with disc brakes for Rs8k... it's likely to be a clunker. Which is fine for pootling down to the shops once a month but will make some of the rides a bit more challenging than they need to be.

    u in pune?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by hitanshu View Post
      Do you hate yourself? Why do you want a crap bike?

      Listen to the wisdom here:
      BikesZone - Cycling • View topic - The ultimate 'What bike should I buy' thread
      and the words of wisdom from Jeremy Yatt here:
      Cycling Gyan - Culled from BikesZone | FreeRiding



      u in pune?
      Yes iam from pune. I am not a beginner. Had taken my cycle to mumbai from pune where my mum dissembled the cycle and sold it off as it was untold journey and feared I might ride it back. Have cycled most, the link mentioned above is of no use to me, as i need real hand expereince on some of the models, yes i did find some useful links but all of em are of foreign make.....which iam sadly not looking for at the moment.

      It wont be my first time on 0bhp machines....

      Just confused over the roadeo models and Octane ones...
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      • #4
        There are a few very good bikes near the 10k budget you have mentioned here. You can get a Btwin Rockrider 5.0 for a price less than 10k, Rockrider 5.1 maybe for ~11k(not sure about the price). You can even look at some of the Schwinn hybrid bicycles. Also as your budget is low, stay away from disc brakes, full suspension - the suspension and brakes used in cheap bikes generally are of pathetic quality and will cause you a LOT of trouble in a very short period of time. Just pick up a bike with simple frame, good tyres and you're good to go. You probably will have to switch to better tyres after buying the bike and riding it for few days (especially if you're getting a Hercules or Hero bike).

        Btw have you decided on what kind of bike you want? Road bike or Mountain or a hybrid? You havent mentioned the details on what kind of riding you're going to do - most importantly the terrain. It could be tarmac roads, or trails/offroading or a mix of these two. For tarmac only type of riding - road bike is better, for offroading - MTBs are the way to go. If you are not sure yet, then get a hybrid which does moderately good on both kinds of biking.

        Among the Indian made hybrid bikes, I suggest only Act 110/110+ or any other Act bicycles by hercules. Stay away from the rest.
        Last edited by prashk; 07-20-2011, 02:12 PM.

        The above posts are derived from aggregation of opinions of several xBhp ZMA riders, based on personal experience/common sense. Please be advised that some things might differ from manufacturer's recommendations.

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        • #5
          Ah, in which case, I cannot help you - I have done all of my 4000km of cycling in the past 15 months only on my Merida 20V. Maybe you need to pause and consider that 12k can get you decent foreign bikes which may be rather long lasting and that there is a reason why on large serious bike forums, the roadeo and octane get no love.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by prashk View Post
            There are a few very good bikes near the 10k budget you have mentioned here. You can get a Btwin Rockrider 5.0 for a price less than 10k, Rockrider 5.1 maybe for ~11k(not sure about the price). You can even look at some of the Schwinn hybrid bicycles. Also as your budget is low, stay away from disc brakes, full suspension - the suspension and brakes used in cheap bikes generally are of pathetic quality and will cause you a LOT of trouble in a very short period of time. Just pick up a bike with simple frame, good tyres and you're good to go. You probably will have to switch to better tyres after buying the bike and riding it for few days (especially if you're getting a Hercules or Hero bike).

            Btw have you decided on what kind of bike you want? Road bike or Mountain or a hybrid? You havent mentioned the details on what kind of riding you're going to do - most importantly the terrain. It could be tarmac roads, or trails/offroading or a mix of these two. For tarmac only type of riding - road bike is better, for offroading - MTBs are the way to go. If you are not sure yet, then get a hybrid which does moderately good on both kinds of biking.

            Among the Indian made hybrid bikes, I suggest only Act 110/110+ or any other Act bicycles by hercules. Stay away from the rest.
            My riding would be morning or evening fitness....I do not wish to enter mountain trails or even get close to ARAI Range (close by cycling range)....Using it to simply ride twice or thrice in a week....FS is compulsory since i use to ride a MTB before...Ranger Swing but that was way long back...so the comfort level is good..The ACT models you mentioned, yes they top the list because of their basic frame...

            Originally posted by hitanshu View Post
            Ah, in which case, I cannot help you - I have done all of my 4000km of cycling in the past 15 months only on my Merida 20V. Maybe you need to pause and consider that 12k can get you decent foreign bikes which may be rather long lasting and that there is a reason why on large serious bike forums, the roadeo and octane get no love.
            Merida 20V??? i have no clue buddy since iam not aware of it...if you can highlite some points and features including cost would be great...
            Yeah they dont even get infactuated as none of the forums have them....
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Eshan-P180 View Post
              In all this i do want 21spd, FS, Disc Brakes. These are my primary requirements.
              on a 10k budget you will get disk brakes which are in no way better then V brakes, V's will be easy to maintain and will give you consistent performance.

              for 10k budget

              https://www.bsahercules.com/product-...es.asp?pid=200


              Increase your budget and get something like these

              Track & Trail - Products

              Track & Trail - Products

              you will get better quality components, reliability and service from these brands. you can get 10% discount on mrp from trackandtrail.

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              • #8
                ok, expand your budget by 1.5k and buy a firefox target. That should be it. Indian brand, and a cycle even the foreign cycle enthusiasts approve.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by hitanshu View Post
                  ok, expand your budget by 1.5k and buy a firefox target. That should be it. Indian brand, and a cycle even the foreign cycle enthusiasts approve.
                  Yeah... m in same thoughts...any idea about this -

                  The guy there is qouting 11k which is ok...i mean 1k not a big difference....
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Eshan-P180 View Post
                    Yeah... m in same thoughts...any idea about this -

                    The guy there is qouting 11k which is ok...i mean 1k not a big difference....
                    Dont go for dual suspension crap. To ride tarmac you dont need dual suspension even on most of the trails dual suspension is not needed. It will decrease your efficiency unless it is of very high quality and standards. Buy a Hardtail

                    Target is a good buy in that budget.

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                    • #11
                      Hi Eshan,

                      I tested both these cycles (Octane/ Roadeo) when I was at the store.
                      I personally liked the Hero Octane Spear more. Some details I observed:

                      1. Both cycles were almost neck to neck on braking and gear shifting IIRC. Suspension seemed better on Hero, but this opinion could be subjective or maybe I felt this due to its lesser weight.

                      2. I liked Hero more due to the aluminium frame. It made it so damn light that I was about to stoppie-flick it when I braked hard. Hercules was damn heavy in comparison.
                      There was a flyover nearby, which I went up with both these cycles. Hero was noticeably easier to push up-hill than Hercules.

                      3. Hercules did have a useful luggage carrier at the back (don't know what they call it) and a more classic (readutdated) design.

                      4. Both bikes were below the Rs. 8800 mark, and I'm waiting for a new unit of Octane Spear, as the one I tested had scratches on it).

                      Personally speaking, even if you go for Firefox, it MUST be a aluminium frame if you want lightness and real fun.
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                      • #12
                        Samarth,

                        yaar - take my advice on this. DONT buy lesser than the target. You'll thank me later.

                        If you can afford the SBK purchase you were planning, don't scrimp and go on the octane. Spend some time on bikeszone.com or see all the cyclists on dailymile.com - there's a reason why they all resell their Indian bikes in an year and buy a 20-30k INR foreign made cycle. So if u must, please start with the target.

                        Eshan,

                        I just don't get this. If you've done a mumbai-pune road trip on a cycle, you SHOULD know that a 11k full suspension bike is an unwieldy heavy piece of crap.

                        Considered the ACT110? or the ACT110+ as well? The 110+ is within your budget and simply the best buy for u!!
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                          Hi Eshan,

                          I tested both these cycles (Octane/ Roadeo) when I was at the store.
                          I personally liked the Hero Octane Spear more. Some details I observed:

                          1. Both cycles were almost neck to neck on braking and gear shifting IIRC. Suspension seemed better on Hero, but this opinion could be subjective or maybe I felt this due to its lesser weight.

                          2. I liked Hero more due to the aluminium frame. It made it so damn light that I was about to stoppie-flick it when I braked hard. Hercules was damn heavy in comparison.
                          There was a flyover nearby, which I went up with both these cycles. Hero was noticeably easier to push up-hill than Hercules.

                          3. Hercules did have a useful luggage carrier at the back (don't know what they call it) and a more classic (readutdated) design.

                          4. Both bikes were below the Rs. 8800 mark, and I'm waiting for a new unit of Octane Spear, as the one I tested had scratches on it).

                          Personally speaking, even if you go for Firefox, it MUST be a aluminium frame if you want lightness and real fun.
                          Originally posted by hitanshu View Post
                          Samarth,

                          yaar - take my advice on this. DONT buy lesser than the target. You'll thank me later.

                          If you can afford the SBK purchase you were planning, don't scrimp and go on the octane. Spend some time on bikeszone.com or see all the cyclists on dailymile.com - there's a reason why they all resell their Indian bikes in an year and buy a 20-30k INR foreign made cycle. So if u must, please start with the target.

                          Eshan,

                          I just don't get this. If you've done a mumbai-pune road trip on a cycle, you SHOULD know that a 11k full suspension bike is an unwieldy heavy piece of crap.

                          Considered the ACT110? or the ACT110+ as well? The 110+ is within your budget and simply the best buy for u!!

                          Hello Samarth & Hitanshu...
                          I went to numerous cycle stores yesterday...well I tested the Ocatane and Roadeo series and both of them are small for me...i dont know how but they are of full length ie-18 inches frame...both of them were pretty small....went to another store in KP (koregaon Park), fell in love with the Target dual disc one....Man that is one bike which is freaking sexy....i even had a test ride on it...the 19.5inch frame fits perfect too....now the thing is its costing 14,600 odd and with octroi and taxes summing up to 16,500!!! well thats a bit over pricey for my choice...then i remembered the old cycle store in the city blocks where i had purchased my old cycle!!! I went there and enquired abt the same..since it was a genuine FF station i got the price discounted to overall 13k which was superb and perfect...I mean if i can spend 10,11k then why not 13k...so went ahead and booked it...will be getting the delivery in 10 days which is going to make me go mad and bonkers and god knows what...

                          If you want to see which one here it is -


                          @hitanshu.. u were correct regarding the hard tail stuff..I think it will increase the overall weight and i dont need it as i wont be Matt Hoffman part 2 or nething close to him!!! Another thing that strike me was the riding height and comfort..man the cycle is awesome and no where close to hero or hercules...the bike is alltogehter in different breed. The cost offerred was perfect they gave me a 10% discount, with extra set of mudflaps, tool kit, side stand, 3 free servicings, bell, additional rear seat saddle, BSA Adult Helmet...so the wait is on now...

                          If possible i would like you both to give a short review or comment regarding the choice made!!!!
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by hitanshu View Post
                            Samarth,

                            yaar - take my advice on this. DONT buy lesser than the target. You'll thank me later.

                            If you can afford the SBK purchase you were planning, don't scrimp and go on the octane. Spend some time on bikeszone.com or see all the cyclists on dailymile.com - there's a reason why they all resell their Indian bikes in an year and buy a 20-30k INR foreign made cycle. So if u must, please start with the target.

                            Eshan,

                            I just don't get this. If you've done a mumbai-pune road trip on a cycle, you SHOULD know that a 11k full suspension bike is an unwieldy heavy piece of crap.

                            Considered the ACT110? or the ACT110+ as well? The 110+ is within your budget and simply the best buy for u!!
                            I understand your advice, but my city is a small one: Ajmer in Rajasthan.

                            I went to one of the best stores in my city and said, I want to test your best cycles- Roadeo and Octane is all they let me test. They had nothing else premium.

                            Otherwise yes, I know the Firefox brand very well, but I was sad that Firefox was unavailable and there's no Firefox dealer here.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                              I understand your advice, but my city is a small one: Ajmer in Rajasthan.

                              I went to one of the best stores in my city and said, I want to test your best cycles- Roadeo and Octane is all they let me test. They had nothing else premium.

                              Otherwise yes, I know the Firefox brand very well, but I was sad that Firefox was unavailable and there's no Firefox dealer here.
                              Brother Rajasthan is not small..dont think that way..Btw its after your post when i went to dealer to try out the cycle..thanx for that!!! u did pursue me to try out first...its been years i havent put my leg over a 0bhp machine...
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