noble thought moved and approved.

@46wannabe - Nice thought, I too had this thought, but mostly within me, never even attempted to talk with others.

^^^ is the only thought that leaves me trembling

The point here is, most people here want to ride/drive from point A to B & they've time for everything else except improving their riding/driving skills. This thought needs to change within the entire system.

Last week, I was travelling in office cab after 10:00 PM; the driver was damn safe except that he didn't know what's lane discipline, when should he watch mirrors. Cutting long story short, that guy says, if he followed lane discipline, people would make fun of him; and he watched mirrors after he make a steep cut to avoid a pothole

Several times, I've witnessed traffic cops letting people go off simply (forget the undertable business for now) when public stop after the stop line. IMO, half these traffic issues will be resolved IF the traffic cops are 50% honest & enforce law (forget even the fine for now) at the bottom most level.

Add to that GearHeads

Ps - Pls do not feel that I'm discouraging your thoughts, I was just ranting here, as we keep thoughts flowing, we'll discuss about my thoughts on the school.

I m there with you for this novel cause anytime !!! I believe xbhp now can help this in a great way as it has evolved out of the box from its online avtar to offline world.

I totally agree with argee on this statement
"The point here is, most people here want to ride/drive from point A to B & they've time for everything else except improving their riding/driving skills. This thought needs to change within the entire system." ....
something should be done in this regard in association with the traffic personals....This is the big job ahead rather than educating others... hope the new younger generation in these departments brings about a change in this scenario.

For this, a complete new institution is required with dedicated staff. xbhp or any online/offline biking fraternity can't pull this off alone. Required people in the business should be there 24x7 with only one aim of providing training and support to riders and this would rather be a social entrepreneurship than a NPO for the individual or organization who would like to introduce this concept in the country. Something like CSS but on a very basic level training for motorcyclist covering smallest issues possible including putting your bike on main stand or picking it from the ground to more serious issues like filtering in express-way between lanes and group riding.

No one can do it on a free lunch basis because things and commitment like these fade away easily with what you get in return of your input. so anyone who has the resources and a plan can bring this and start as first ever school for motorbikes. We would require another Sundeep Gajjar and his 7+ dedicated years to make this happen and work.

Not even 10 private institution can make this change; its the Govt's job & Govt's job alone to ENFORCE things. All we can do is scream, yell, shout at top of our voices (which is what we're doing) & all of them should go to right ears (till date its falling to deaf ears) & then the Govt is the one to wake up & then ENFORCE on law.

Take any country for instance, the entire infrastructure is owned by Govt & the laws are applicable as per state or country. Unless the law is enforced, no one follows. Here the issue is everything is available in mixed masala such as corruption + bribery + lack of enforcement + carelessness + red tapism. So even if there's an enforcement, there's bribery to get over.

The change has to begin from top for a sudden change OR the ENFORCEMENT has to begin with simple things (and consistently too) right from...
1. Riding in wrong directions
2. Lane discipline
3. Stopping before stop line
4. Jumping signals

It should start with ENFORCING common man & then gradually taken up to higher levels in society. IMO, if the law is implemented very strictly to common man, more than 50% of the issues will be resolved.

It all depends on mamus doing their job in a right way! in usa they give tickets for jaywalking! it cant be done in a country like ours which is filled with population but, stopping ahead of the stop sign on the road is one thing which is a nuisance for everyone including him! people never realize that.. all these idiots need is to get ahead of everyone no matter what!

the only way to teach people is the hard way.. install boom barriers everywhere :P

but changing these idiots mind will take generations! :sigh:

Stay tuned!!

Having waited around and thought more on this topic I have recently submitted a new idea in a thread for approval. Which according to me is the first step towards the above. In fact if all goes well, the above may not even be required.

I'm excited and hope that the idea finally picks up steam.
Fingers crossed!

Precisely why I wanna start now buddy!


Very well thought out brother. My new idea will need your help too.



Have heeded your inputs and would certainly appreciate help from you and the others on my forthcoming idea.

Exactly what I have in mind!


Never felt you were.

Rest assured I never gave up on this thread. Was merely a bit shocked with life's commitments and was in a bad phase myself. This time I have new found belief that things can and will change.

@MODS: If you could be kind enough to merge the two. God bless!

Not only does India need more riding schools, it also needs more tracks... The only two motorcycling tracks we have right now are the ones in Chennai and Cochin... The Buddh track is an F1 track and isn't even really open to the public, unless you count the "6 days" they claimed they will give public access... Companies like bajaj who have a track available, should take the initiative for the same. Something like Maruti has done for its customers...

Tracks is secondary. Agreed that enthusiasts would get a respite with more accessible circuits, but the larger driving populace first need a solution to daily issues.

You're trying to do what the Govt has to do, which is close to impossible with such huge population. The root of the problem lies in education, even if that is fixed, the Govt has to support with what is called ENFORCEMENT. Unless the law is enforced, people will still continue doing what they're doing...unless...every individual opens up their eyes & adhere to law themselves.

Hi Guys

This is one of the best topics to discuss, have mentioned somewhere in some thread about the same

Every change what we expect others to start from within

Check these points below

How many of us use low beam within city limits?
How many of us obey the speed limits?
How many of us dont just take wrong way when we know the exit for U turn is just 100mts ahead?
How many of us stand still at the signal when its still red (inspite of the guy behind us honking like hell)?
How many of us zoom off when we know the signal has gone to yellow?

How many of us...how many of us?? these questions can keep going

Im not saying that there has to be a enforcement law to make it stricter, but the current concern is if we all can make a difference, then slowly there would be a change.

Even when no vehicle is there to cross in the signal opp to you, if we stop our vehicle for our turn for the signal to turn in green, am sure there would be atleast a few who would stop, there will be people who would make fun off..but when we have to put our point very clear, let the people have fun looking at us.

Till the time the enforcement comes in (Lets not stop screaming / shouting / what ever possible) we all should follow the discipline what ever is expected from a good rider / driver

Rgds
Ramesh Madhavan

I believe you make a very valid point... Change must come from within us... I agree that disciplinary measures definitely need to be beefed up, but until such day, I'm sure we can do our bit to make Indian roads safer...

Yes, I agree with you too.


Hey buddy! I echo your opinion, that's precisely why I'm waiting for the mods to approve my next thread. Maybe they should just merge it here. But have some new ideas to help work out precisely what the above have said. Change from within and as a group.

It's been almost a week now. Hope they approve it.

There you go!

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/art-safe...-campaign.html

Don't take it as negative comment, but, without Govt ENFORCING the law, no matter how many groups, how many changes start, nothing is going to improve. I read your post, but, I really don't want to say anything as it might only sound negative

Like I said earlier, right education & eradicating corruption will improve changes significantly; enforcement will certainly bring things under control. That said, I always believe change is the only constant; so let me conclude this post saying, may be the change happens & things soon turn from worse to good.

Oh!!! You've lots of patience. See what I did here - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/2...est-coast.html