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    It all started 3 years back when i was in my 2nd year of engineering.
    The study of engineering was not sufficient for fulfilling my passion for machines especially engines, so I decided to go one step ahead and building my own engine, I went to a engine repair workshop and started working there part time.
    Every time I dismantle the engine I learned something new, but still my hunger was not satisfied and I thought of going beyond this wanted to construct something of my own so the hunt started and I started converting my Thuderbird engine and transformed it into 476cc chain drive engine with hydraulic lifters but it was not efficient rather it was a failure, the level of machining of component was not up to the mark and due to leakages it lifelong only one month.
    UT thread about exhaust).

    And then was the turning point I got placed in ISGEC R&D dept. I relocated to yamunanagar (this is where my company is) and with my friend (who was also placed with me in same dept) together we further enhanced this exhaust project and finally made a perfect exhaust system. The exhaust sounds ultimate, never heard such a bass form a single cylinder engine, acceleration ultimate, top speed no change (we designed it for acceleration).
    Now all for you will be thinking why I am writing this,
    This was my dream to create something which actually works, and now when we (me and my friend) have created something we want all to taste it. So we decided to start production of this exhaust system but before this I wants feedback from all of you, Should we start the production of this exhaust? Is there a demand in market because setting a plant takes hell lot of money? Should we go ahead????
    Currently we have designed exhaust for 150cc pulsar. And we can design for other bikes also.
    Guys please genuine suggestion.
    Thank you
    PS: Few pics of prototype and final product under polishing(its me polishing dirty jobs).
    Last edited by amandeepkamboj19; 12-01-2010, 05:31 PM. Reason: Inserted link
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        @ sunny thanks for approval.

        This is the first finished piece i have created

        Guys i seriously need your inputs.
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          Originally posted by amandeepkamboj19 View Post
          It all started 3 years back when i was in my 2nd year of engineering.
          The study of engineering was not sufficient for fulfilling my passion for machines especially engines, so I decided to go one step ahead and building my own engine, I went to a engine repair workshop and started working there part time.
          Every time I dismantle the engine I learned something new, but still my hunger was not satisfied and I thought of going beyond this wanted to construct something of my own so the hunt started and I started converting my Thuderbird engine and transformed it into 476cc chain drive engine with hydraulic lifters but it was not efficient rather it was a failure, the level of machining of component was not up to the mark and due to leakages it lifelong only one month.
          UT thread about exhaust).

          And then was the turning point I got placed in ISGEC R&D dept. I relocated to yamunanagar (this is where my company is) and with my friend (who was also placed with me in same dept) together we further enhanced this exhaust project and finally made a perfect exhaust system. The exhaust sounds ultimate, never heard such a bass form a single cylinder engine, acceleration ultimate, top speed no change (we designed it for acceleration).
          Now all for you will be thinking why I am writing this,
          This was my dream to create something which actually works, and now when we (me and my friend) have created something we want all to taste it. So we decided to start production of this exhaust system but before this I wants feedback from all of you, Should we start the production of this exhaust? Is there a demand in market because setting a plant takes hell lot of money? Should we go ahead????
          Currently we have designed exhaust for 150cc pulsar. And we can design for other bikes also.
          Guys please genuine suggestion.
          Thank you
          PS: Few pics of prototype and final product under polishing(its me polishing dirty jobs).


          Yes the demand is there. More and more people(thats me including) are demanding performance exhaust for their bikes to make them go as fast as possible. However clever marketing will be required to sell these exhaust as there are quiet a lot of established players KRP, Automech, Proton.......etc. If right pricing and clever & attractive designs with high tech materials is what you guys got, then go ahead. Let you guys know that i own a FZ16 and am looking for a exhaust system that is short and stubby.

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            SS Exhaust

            This is a exhaust that I have built for my friend, its polished stainless steel not chrome.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by arunmhetre2290 View Post
              This is a exhaust that I have built for my friend, its polished stainless steel not chrome.
              looks good
              But buildining exhaust for market require lot more things. We have to make flange and clamps and also the head connection.
              Is the bending done on pipe bending machine?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by arunmhetre2290 View Post
                This is a exhaust that I have built for my friend, its polished stainless steel not chrome.
                Ya great job.......Atul told me about. I was gonna have him built one for me but then i had an accident and he went off to banglore.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by arunmhetre2290 View Post
                    The sections have been manually welded by hand and it has a laser cut SS flange it’s a custom built exhaust it has a higher duration camshaft and a bigger carburetor.
                    I have tried making exhaust by this process but it is very expensive, no doubt pipe bending machine is expensive but its worth,
                    I am planning to buy a second hand CNC pipe bending machine.
                    Tomorrow i will post some pics of final product.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by freekoo View Post
                      Yes the demand is there. More and more people(thats me including) are demanding performance exhaust for their bikes to make them go as fast as possible. However clever marketing will be required to sell these exhaust as there are quiet a lot of established players KRP, Automech, Proton.......etc. If right pricing and clever & attractive designs with high tech materials is what you guys got, then go ahead. Let you guys know that i own a FZ16 and am looking for a exhaust system that is short and stubby.
                      don't you already have an option in joel for your requirements
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                        Originally posted by amandeepkamboj19 View Post
                        I Should we start the production of this exhaust? Is there a demand in market because setting a plant takes hell lot of money? Should we go ahead????
                        Currently we have designed exhaust for 150cc pulsar. And we can design for other bikes also.
                        Guys please genuine suggestion.
                        Thank you
                        PS: Few pics of prototype and final product under polishing(its me polishing dirty jobs).
                        Yes there is demand but not in large, if you are very much looking forward to it. Are you going to produce exhausts as per each bikes demand?

                        Then I recommend you to first register a company and spread some workshops in important cities, advertise what you can do and concentrate on customers who come to you. Thats the best and safe start in my point of view, (if you are looking for fast profit and recognition). And then once you are getting branded, you can start your safe production.

                        Because if you are planning to start a plant you will need to concentrate on "No large scale production" till you establish your brand name. And if you are going to produce exhausts as per each bikes demand, it wouldn't be wise and practical, but not impossible. You would be a real head-turner from the Automech and KRP in that way, because If am right, I think they produce common exhausts and not in specific. And its a good and different choice, you will have an easy recognition from "already buyers" and "performance tuners". And thats not enough.
                        But think over that..
                        > [It will take a hell lot of time and patience. And ONLY if u have the capital and that extra finance for advertisements and to hold you on till you get established]
                        > [Hope you would be satisfying all emission norms].
                        > [Itz higly time consuming, minimum profit flow with time and HIGHLY RISKY, because by then some bike manufacturers might have come with a new and better idea, so chances for aftermarket exhausts would be less.]

                        It would be a foolish idea, go for it only if the finance is from your savings.

                        You have another option if you are going for a plant,
                        demonstrate your talent and have a tie up with some bike manufacturing company. It will depend upon the output your exhaust give and the difference it makes from those they prefer and the time will depend upon the bond they hold.
                        (Chances are less for an outsider to have a tie up in exhaust manufacturing, but not impossible for the Right You.)

                        Hope you got some idea.
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                          www.pitstopperformance.in

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                            @ all thanks for inputs
                            I already have manufacturing licence so no issue in that and my close relative is into business of SS utensils so no issue of machines and plant. Yamunanagar is the well known city for manufacturing of SS utensils. I have all the required machines available with me Power press, TIG welding, Blanking press, lathe, milling and polishing setup for shining and mat finish.
                            As far as designing is concerned there is no particular literature available on how to design an exhaust, there are some calculators available on net for calculating diameter of pipes. But take my words best thing is to stick to the stock exhaust configuration and then tune it as per your requirement, if you will start from scratch it will take lots of time and effort, but in stock configuration you only have to control the over scavenging and back pressure.
                            What I have noticed from my experiments that length of bend pipe is one of the most critical things. One of the parameter you can measure is the escape velocity of exhaust cases it should be around 40ft/sec.
                            Personally I use flow simulation software for calculation before building anything in flesh. Some of the images of my previous hollow exhaust simulation.
                            Some pics of finished exhaust (final touching left). Sorry for bad picture quality, my office ends late so its always nignt when i click pics
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                              Originally posted by amandeepkamboj19 View Post
                              @ all thanks for inputs
                              I already have manufacturing licence so no issue in that and my close relative is into business of SS utensils so no issue of machines and plant. Yamunanagar is the well known city for manufacturing of SS utensils. I have all the required machines available with me Power press, TIG welding, Blanking press, lathe, milling and polishing setup for shining and mat finish.
                              As far as designing is concerned there is no particular literature available on how to design an exhaust, there are some calculators available on net for calculating diameter of pipes. But take my words best thing is to stick to the stock exhaust configuration and then tune it as per your requirement, if you will start from scratch it will take lots of time and effort, but in stock configuration you only have to control the over scavenging and back pressure.
                              What I have noticed from my experiments that length of bend pipe is one of the most critical things. One of the parameter you can measure is the escape velocity of exhaust cases it should be around 40ft/sec.
                              Personally I use flow simulation software for calculation before building anything in flesh. Some of the images of my previous hollow exhaust simulation.
                              Some pics of finished exhaust (final touching left). Sorry for bad picture quality, my office ends late so its always nignt when i click pics

                              $ 8000 and four stroke simulation software costs $
                              www.pitstopperformance.in

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