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    To blip or not to blip is the question

    Hi, after trying out many other riding techniques (cornering, braking, etc)i recently started trying out blipping and fast shifting. i tried it out for sometime on empty roads and tried it out on my regular traffic ride today. it works fantastic especially while you are doing less than 80. i use only the front brake and release the clutch immediately after blipping the throttle, which generates a lot of engine braking on the rear wheel.
    The fast shift makes the drive so smooth if feels like i m on auto transmition

    Now the query: i am doing all this on an Enfield C500 . i tried googling around but coudnt find much on using these approach on single cylinder bikes. So can the experts please let me know if what i am doing is ok or should i just go back to using regular engine braking only? or is there some alternate approach for this type of bikes?
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    • #3
      I think the primary question should be the effects of blipping on a pushrod single pot engine. Personally, I ride a Karizma and have been shifting gears with this method so long it's become subconscious. Ideally afaik, the method is most useful in multi cylinder bikes with high powerbands and no slipper clutch. Best use is in downshifting to prevent wheel lock. On the Karizma I feel apart from adding a little smoothness to the downshifting sequence it drinks fuel. :P Seriously though, am not an expert but maybe it helps increase clutch life.
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      • #4
        ^^^ Me to ride a ZMA, and me too blip while downshifting. Else during high speed runs sudden down shifting causes the rear wheel to lock. The whole shifting operation appears to be abit more smoother, and the rev's will be properly matched hence there wouldnt be any transmission BANG!!!'s.

        Another thing of caution is that never skip the clutch while downshifting, no matter how good you think you are, theres a likely chance the tranny will take a beating. But thats not the same when it comes to upshifting, its always best to avoid the clutch while upshifting, else while shifting at higher rev's can disturb the suspension due to an imbalance in weight distribution.
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        • #5
          ^You got that right about clutchless downshifts. @skantsoni: If these points don't help you much, wait for a Bulleteer to respond.
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          1)Thank thy God for being alive.
          2)Thou shalt respect one's own life and the live's of other road users.
          3)Thou shalt respect one's own bike.
          4)Love thy bike as thy self.
          5)Always wear safety gear.
          6)Alcohol is a strict NO!
          7)Thou may lust after thy neighbour's bike specially if its of the R1 kind!
          8)Thou shalt ride with 'ultra-most' care and caution when on Indian roads.
          9)Thou shalt never leave the engine running at long traffic halts.
          10)Thou shalt follow all of the above.

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          • #6
            Thanks guys. well i am not very sure on avoiding clutch on any shifts down or up. Cos i think these bikes are still 'not there'. considering i do get false neutrals (enfield trademark) while even doing regular shifts
            Though my clutch use is only partial while doing fast up-shifts.

            what i have read and realized is that this technique should be used and works best only while preparing for a corner and shouldnt be (mis)used for braking. I did use this in my first ride but prob wont use it again.

            @46wannabe: you are right. i would still wait for a Bulleteer to to confirm

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            • #7
              Originally posted by skantsoni View Post
              Though my clutch use is only partial while doing fast up-shifts.
              Its either CLUTCH or NOT TO CLUTCH while upshifting.
              Partial clutch use, if not favored by luck, can cause more bad than good.

              Just now noticed that you're using an Enfield. From my personal experience with a fellow Xbhpians Electra, the transmission doesnt really depend upon the clutch while shifting up or down.
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              • #8
                I ride a Discover 135 '07 & blipping during downshifts since I've had my bike, my observations are:
                * Blipping helps in engine braking, it can drastically reduce braking distances.
                * Smoother downshifts
                * Very very useful (almost essential) while preparing to downshift & lean the bike to negotiate turns faster
                * Helps in overtaking because you can downshift a gear even at 6~7k RPM to gain excess speed required for overtaking.

                It HELPS, a lot. So much that I've made it a subconscious habit.
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                • #9
                  I thought blipping is done only when up-shifting!
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rx100.7050 View Post
                    I thought blipping is done only when up-shifting!
                    No need to blip the throttle while upshifting, cause while doing a clutchless upshift, the millisecond you roll of the throttle, the revs match and before you know it bike will automatically upshift i.e as long as you preload the shifter.
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                    • #11
                      As long as as I used to ride my ZMA, I used to blip while downshifting and it has become a part of me. I find it really useful personally.
                      However, I used to ride my friend/colleague/fellow xbhpian 's TBTS when I was in Coimbatore and he always told me that Bullets are not designed to be blipped and it worked when I tried. I am not aware of the technical know-how of that but I can vouch for what he said because he is a hard core bulleteer, tourer and bullet forums member with plenty of years and kilometres munched.
                      Hope this helps. my 50cents
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Coplay@180 View Post
                        As long as as I used to ride my ZMA, I used to blip while downshifting and it has become a part of me. I find it really useful personally.
                        However, I used to ride my friend/colleague/fellow xbhpian 's TBTS when I was in Coimbatore and he always told me that Bullets are not designed to be blipped and it worked when I tried. I am not aware of the technical know-how of that but I can vouch for what he said because he is a hard core bulleteer, tourer and bullet forums member with plenty of years and kilometres munched.
                        Hope this helps. my 50cents
                        I believe your friend is rite. The reasons being that the Enfields don't give much emphasis to the clutch while shifting, and that they don't engine brake hard like the rest of the bikes, as a matter of fact the Enfields have almost nil engine braking effect while riding. It may also be cause the Enfield being a long stroke, shouldn't be revved unnecessarily.
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                        2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                        2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                        2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                        2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                        2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

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                        • #13
                          Please correct me If am wrong.

                          On Streets one should use blipping to get smoother gear shifts , otherwise i dont think it is necessary to blip every time on Downshifting. I used to blip a lot on my RTR to get that smooth gearshifts ( to avoid false Neutral) but on my C250R i hardly do it , infact i had to give away my habit of Blipping everytime (while downshifting) on CBR . So in my opinion If u know you are in wrong gear(higher) @ low Speed/RPM blip throttle to get correct rpm and then Downshift to avoid that big 'THUD' from Gear Box.
                          Its not enough to know how to twist the throttle; you must have judgement to know when and where to do it.

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                          • #14
                            well after trying out the blipping thingi (with my enfield ofcourse) for a while i have come to one conclusion, i would be better off not blipping. reason?
                            nothing to do with the engine structure or the bore but.....

                            The false neutral sometimes puts me in a real bad situation
                            when i assume the bike to slow down it just keeps rolling and i m too close to the vehicle in front. ya it does work 90% of times but that 10% can be risky. so for now i am not gonna do that. Darn!! it sounded and felt so good.

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                            • #15
                              I've tried both clutchless up-shifting and downshifting. Its gets better with practice no doubt. I think one can eliminate false neutrals with practice. I rarely get False neutrals now, with my P180 UG3 (slow-run-in upto 1600 kms, then ripped. Oil changed very frequently ahead of schedules.)

                              But, a Bullet guy can tell better than I can.

                              Guys, can anyone simultaneously use the front brake and downshift using the clutch at the same time, to get the best braking?
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