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  • Riding Tips Required - Up Hil And Wet Road

    Last weekend, was driving up the hill in night with pillion on my P150(UG3 with wide tyres). It was a wet road. While turning on a sharp turn which was also highly inclined, I crashed. we both escaped without even a scratch. as was on less speed and wearing helmets.
    I realize now, I took the turn on with short round, i.e., nearer to the turn. I should have made a bigger round,i.e., from farther side of the road.

    But just wondering, any practical tips for riding in condition with:
    1. Going up hill/ down the hill.
    2. Sharp turns, which are also pretty inclined.
    3. Rainy season or wet roads due to Fog.
    4. Night (very less visibility) (doesn't make much diff. though)

    No theories.. only practical experiences please..

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    Topic Approved and topic name edited to better suit the thread's purpose.
    :)

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    • #3
      thanks Aryan..

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      • #4
        ^ whats your tyre size and pattern? lot depends on that.
        on uphill rides, you would need to bend a bit and countersteer. keep centrifugal force, high rev and low gears for more traction.
        BIKER ...the thrill and sense of self-fulfilment is obtained from living a little dangerously!

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        • #5
          Braking is also a very important aspect. While going uphill, use mainly your front breaks & down hill is mainly the back brakes. It'll bring about a balance & distribute weight properly. rest as per what shadez said is spot on.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Nitin_traveller View Post
            Last weekend, was driving up the hill in night with pillion on my P150(UG3 with wide tyres). It was a wet road. While turning on a sharp turn which was also highly inclined, I crashed. we both escaped without even a scratch. as was on less speed and wearing helmets.
            I realize now, I took the turn on with short round, i.e., nearer to the turn. I should have made a bigger round,i.e., from farther side of the road.

            But just wondering, any practical tips for riding in condition with:
            1. Going up hill/ down the hill.
            2. Sharp turns, which are also pretty inclined.
            3. Rainy season or wet roads due to Fog.
            4. Night (very less visibility) (doesn't make much diff. though)

            No theories.. only practical experiences please..
            1. Going up hill, especially when there those Us, try to keep your bike just below the power band. If you are in the power band, then careful with your throttle play. Never go around a bend with the clutch fully depressed. I have seen some people trying to "save" petrol by going downhill with the engine off and gear in neutral. That is one of the most stupidest things a biker can do. As posted by some members in xBhp before, a wet tire and a wet tarmac tends to slip a lot less than a wet tire/dry tarmac or a dry tire/wet tarmac combination. So leaning around bends or U's when the tarmac is semi-wet/dirt, normally, results in a crash, regardless of the speed you are in.

            2. Inclined bends are also the same procedure. While going uphill, go slow, with the engine running at just below the power band. Try to turn the bike with minimum lean. Sharp bends, same thing. My experience taught me that leaning comes into play when you are confident of what your machine is capable of around the bends, and this only comes with more riding. You cannot start leaning in very first turn, unless you have been doing it a lot before. Going down inclined, engine should be on the higher side of the power band.

            3. As I said earlier, the first signs of road getting wet is the time when you should go as slow as possible. The dew settling on the tarmac makes the road extremely slippery and care has to be taken at this time. Fog plays havoc sometimes as oncoming vehicles cannot be seen by you and vice versa. Again, riding slowly with the high-beam is the best option in this case, and the idea is to make yourself visible to oncoming traffic as much as possible. It gives you more time to react to unforeseen events.

            4. I didn't get your "doesn't make much difference part". Night riding with fog can get pretty tense, especially going downhill as brakes works at a disadvantage during this time. I'd suggest, again, knowing the road, and going slow. If you like to listen to music while riding, then this is one time I suggest you take those earphones out, cause what you may not see, you may hear from further away. Night riding without fog shouldn't be much of a problem. Try to ride giving space from the left edge of the road.
            Last edited by pranay; 12-03-2008, 01:25 PM.
            DoN\'t LivE tO DiE, dIe tO LiVe

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            • #7
              thanks everyone..
              @shadez: mine is latest Pulsar UG3- MRF 100/90 Rear tyre(same as 180).
              @ pranay: I have quite an experience of cornering/ leaning.
              but not on Uphill, slippery, sharp turn. I was too confident and never thought, I could slip. that's why was asking.
              And night + fog doesn't give much problem to me as I know, how to take care of that, by being careful .

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              • #8
                ^ 100/90-17 right? so your tyre would be more flat to the ground. so leaning wouldnt be a good option. so slow riding is the only option left!
                well whatever you do, just make sure how you handle your handle! eg: while turning left, if you end up turning your handle left a much too much its going to be a very bad fall. countersteering and skidding is a better option! :P
                BIKER ...the thrill and sense of self-fulfilment is obtained from living a little dangerously!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Nitin_traveller View Post
                  2. Sharp turns, which are also pretty inclined.
                  Never turn your handle while you turn.Keep turning minimal and go down.
                  Your both wheels need to be in a straight line else you surely fall down.Watch motogp for more


                  Originally posted by Nitin_traveller View Post
                  3. Rainy season or wet roads due to Fog.
                  Good tyres and confidenceYou never have to be afraid of wet roads.
                  Check if michellin sirac suits you bike.
                  Originally posted by Nitin_traveller View Post
                  4. Night (very less visibility) (doesn't make much diff. though)
                  search for HIDs on XBHP or google for it.Expensive shit but tried and tested.Funny HIDs arent good for FOG which is point 3


                  Lastly good riding gear (helmets,jackets,gloves,knee pads)for self and pillion.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by pranay View Post
                    If you are in the power band, then careful with your throttle play. Never go around a bend with the clutch fully depressed.

                    I have seen some people trying to "save" petrol by going downhill with the engine off and gear in neutral.
                    can you explain these 3 points in more detail as to y to follow them

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Puneet1 View Post
                      can you explain these 3 points in more detail as to y to follow them
                      1. If you are in the power band, then throttle is sensitive to your wrist movements, any jerk of the wrist in gear 1 or 2 around a bend, then the tire might slip and you might go for a toss. You might lose traction because when you are going around a bend, there is a certain minimum lean that you will have to maintain, and usually, this will mean that the contact patch of the tire is less, and also towards the area where the tires have not been utilized so they are more slippery.

                      2. If your clutch is fully depressed then that means you are not using the engine and letting the wheel spin freely. In this case, if you brake slightly more, there is a higher chance of your tires slipping.You will have more control over the bike if you keep it in gear.

                      3. Believe it or not, there are people, in the hill stations, where they ride from way up to all the way down without turning the engine on. The reason is they want to save petrol. It might save petrol, but there are more chances of you slipping and falling, as going in neutral downhill is not advisable. I am from a place where hills are a plenty, and I have seen bikers doing this, and crashing as well.
                      DoN\'t LivE tO DiE, dIe tO LiVe

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Nitin_traveller View Post
                        ...by being careful .
                        Well, then there is not much you have to worry about.
                        DoN\'t LivE tO DiE, dIe tO LiVe

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by pranay View Post
                          1. If you are in the power band, then throttle is sensitive to your wrist movements, any jerk of the wrist in gear 1 or 2 around a bend, then the tire might slip and you might go for a toss. You might lose traction because when you are going around a bend, there is a certain minimum lean that you will have to maintain, and usually, this will mean that the contact patch of the tire is less, and also towards the area where the tires have not been utilized so they are more slippery.

                          2. If your clutch is fully depressed then that means you are not using the engine and letting the wheel spin freely. In this case, if you brake slightly more, there is a higher chance of your tires slipping.You will have more control over the bike if you keep it in gear.

                          3. Believe it or not, there are people, in the hill stations, where they ride from way up to all the way down without turning the engine on. The reason is they want to save petrol. It might save petrol, but there are more chances of you slipping and falling, as going in neutral downhill is not advisable. I am from a place where hills are a plenty, and I have seen bikers doing this, and crashing as well.


                          +1. Great tips.

                          Do hang of the bike on each turn. If you lean more than the bike then there is a bigger contact patch with the road. To not be too hard on the throttle while exiting. IF you hit your powerband - your tite will pin and you will have a high sider. Traction only redices by 20% on wet though. But its important.

                          Do all your braking before you enter a turn. Do not brake while on a lean. Its better to enter a corner slow and exit faster rather than coming in too fast - unless you are very experienced - this tactic is used - fast entry, slower exit in road races to pass.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by darth_lucifer View Post
                            search for HIDs on XBHP or google for it.Expensive shit but tried and tested.Funny HIDs arent good for FOG which is point 3
                            right.. HID is not a good option for hill rides. the light basically bounces back and its eerie. there is a thread 'let there be light' if i guess rite. check that out for better options...
                            BIKER ...the thrill and sense of self-fulfilment is obtained from living a little dangerously!

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