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Guys, I can't find a similar topic that existed. If anyone finds it, do link me to it.

Some points I would like to share...

1> We can't distinguish between good and bad petrol company outlets as a whole. A IOC outlet may be better than HP/BP in a locality and may be vice-versa in other.
2> With personal experience, I get a bit more mileage when I fill for 200-300rs after reserve than filling full tank. Practicing this except when going for long rides.
3> When the carb of my RTR was opened, the rubber duct was folded due to expansion. The TVS svc mechanic said its due to usage of hi octane petrol. No more usage of such petrol since 2 years.
4> Yes. Petrol from Essar tends to give more vibration than other companies. However, it gives a significantly higher mileage too. A difference of 5-7kmpl can be found on both my bikes. But on the other side, all the mechanics I met advised not to use Essar petrol cause they have some additives that corrodes the carb and induces vibration. Apart from vibration, I didn't find any corrosion.

I usually fill petrol from IOC outlet run buy the state govt.

Has a good reputation and guaranteed unadulterated fuel . Both quantity and quality.

During daily rides I usually fill rs 500 worth petrol. As filling full tank will cause a lot of weight and it affects the economy of the bike .

I fill fuel from the same pump most times or any other govt operated pump ( Supplyco pumps they are called ). During long runs I fill my fuel from these pumps and start off ( havn't been to long trips that long where I have to refill again ).

About high octane fuels. There is no difference at all when used in Indian bikes at all other than the price . So I stay away from it. Causes overheat too. I fill once in 6 months or something and rip the bike to clean the internal parts from carbon and all thats all.

When you are using a superbike or imported rides then only high octane petrol needed. I dont find anything other than that.

Economy stats

Usually gets between 36- 42 kmpl
Worst 30.
Best 50* ( still didnt reach reserve but had to refill because I fill at a pump near my college which is 25 kms from home so if it gets reserve on the way its obvious that I have to refill from some other station before reaching my regular pump )

Ride owned Karizma R. Running on NGK G power plugs.

This doesnt mean I live my life to churn out the best economy or what. I do rip the bike take corners and if unavoidable fill petrol from the pump I see nearby .

High octain?? Would like to know by how much..
Isn't xtrapremium, power, speed, shell super and all other branded fuels (except speed 93 & 96 and reliance petrol which has been discontinued) are 91 octain which is similar to normal unleaded fuel. This happened with the implementation of euro 3 emission standards. The only difference is with additives.

Re: Fuel

There is already a Fuels thread



A few more new threads need to be merged into it

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Re: Fuel

I generally prefer Shell petrol the normal one and I have been using them for almost 5 years in my fz to CBR and there are couple of reasons.
1. Fuel quality :- I can feel slight difference between normal fuels in other bunks and compared to shell petrol the engine seems little bit smoother with Fuel.
2. Fuel Quantity :- Shell is run by company I'm always assured that the quantity is right.
3. Free air is actually Free air they don't accept tips.

Re: Fuel

Even I am usually filling up SHELL normal petrol.

Funny thing is - when I had KTM Duke 200, they recommended premium petrol and my Duke showed absolutely no degradation in performance after 3.5 years of usage after which I sold it to a colleague.

Now for Triumph Street Triple (my thread with "Red Rose" can be referred for more info from my side) - they recommend only normal petrol and have actually asked not to bother about premium petrol that has additives. They have specifically tuned down the bike for lower fuel quality that we have and hence bike will perform ok with normal petrol. They said that frequent use of petrol with additives can actually cause problems with fuel injector (though why KTM sustained a good performance with usage of mostly Shell Super and later Shell V Power is not clear then).

When Shell is not available, my preference is for Bharat and HP compared to IOC. I haven't ever tried Essar and Reliance and those outlets are very few indeed. On highways Club HP outlets are more frequent at least wherever I have travelled in Maharashtra.

Long back in 2001-2003 period, I did notice difference in performance when I used Bharat Speed compared to ordinary petrol in my Yamaha RD 350. After consecutive 2-3 tankfuls of SPEED, RD 350 certainly became smoother and quicker.

Recently have not done any such comparison though - always used normal petrol till now on Triumph and always used premium in KTM...

HP Petrol Problem

Hi,
I own a Suzuki Gixxer 2014 and has clocked 50k kms till now. I used to fill petrol from HP, IOC, BP, Reliance randomly; I never stick to one particular brand usually.
But from the past 6 months I am filling petrol from HP only and also riding Gixxer sparingly(250kms/month). From the last one month I am observing some sound from the valve(exhaust I believe); it sounds like some clank or the valve hitting the piston, don't know what exactly it is though. Several thoughts ran through my head about what would have gone wrong. Is it because of slow riding causing carbon buildup? Is it because of the engine oil I am currently using(Mobil Delvac 1 synthetic 10w40)?
I bought LiquiMoly engine flush and decided to change the Oil to motorcycle specific. And before doing that I added Liquimoly engine flush to my petrol tank thinking that it would decarbonize the valves and surprisingly the valve noise is gone and the bike felt it gained compression and acceleration and the feeling lasted until the petrol refill from HP. Now the problem was back again. So I switched to Indian oil and the valve sound was gone magically after riding 50kms.
Is HP fuel bad compared to others? Because my friend bought FZ recently and he said that the showroom guys warned him not to use HP petrol.
What happens once we switch to BS 6 fuel? Do we(BS 4) need to add additives?

Re: HP Petrol Problem

Let me explain how fuel reaches your motorcycle before I answer your queries.
Crude oil is imported and enters a refinery of a company (Any PSU(BPCL, HP,IOCL) or Private (Shell, Essar). The refinery produces petroleum and diesel. This fuel is carried to the Fuel station via trucks and this fuel enters your motorcycle. Now, all of these refineries have standards set by the government to adhere to, so theoretically the fuel produced from all of them must be the same.

It is not economically feasible to have a refinery of every company in every city. These refineries are generally placed close to Ports to reduce transportation costs. Since all the PSUs have the same owner viz. the Government of India, they work on a basis of interoperability. For example, there's an IOCL refinery here in Chennai. All PSU fuel stations in Chennai irrespective of Brand name ie. BPCL, IOCL or HP, get the same fuel from the IOCL refinery in Chennai. So the fuel you're getting from any PSU bunk in your city is from the same refinery. However, certain bunks may add some additives(read diluents) like kerosene or water to make a profit off you.

This has happened to me in a HP bunk in Chennai. While filling from this specific bunk, my mileage dropped considerably. However, filling from another HP bunk, hardly some 500m away, gave me normal (good) mileage. Thus proving, it isn't the brand that matters but the bunk that does.

Originally posted by sandeepcf View Post

Is HP fuel bad compared to others? Because my friend bought FZ recently and he said that the showroom guys warned him not to use HP petrol.

So, to answer your question, no HP doesn't give bad fuel. The specific bunk is giving bad fuel. Change to another HP bunk and check if the problem recurs.

Originally posted by sandeepcf View Post

What happens once we switch to BS 6 fuel? Do we(BS 4) need to add additives?

No we don't. BS 6 fuel is essentially fuel which produces lesser emissions in conjunction with a BS6 engine. In other words, BS6 fuel is more pure.(Pure may not be the right word, please do correct me if I'm wrong.) Using BS6 fuel in a BS4 engine will do no harm. However, the vice versa is not true. BS6 engines shouldn't be run on BS4 fuel.

Mobil is a good brand and 10w40 is the manufacturer spec for Gixxer., so that shouldn't be the problem.

And like you said, after the engine flush, engine sounded better. Try changing to a different HP fuel station or demand a quality test from the one you used to determine the quality of the fuel.

Kudos,
Akaash

Edit: Edited the spaces between quotes

Re: HP Petrol Problem

Thank you for your reply mate.
My initial doubt was about the specific outlet but I never faced any problem interms of quantity & fuel economy.
And my concern about HP fuel grew after
1. Noise gone immediately after adding engine flush to fuel(like additive).
2. Noise gone slowly after shifting to IOC
3. And majorly when the Yamaha showroom in HYDERABAD(I am from a different place and state) warned my friend about HP fuel. They were dead against HP.

I don't want to test HP fuel again from a different outlet because the problem occured very gradually and I dont want to risk again.

Means low sulphur content, means less lubrication, means damage to engine..

Re: HP Petrol Problem

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Means low sulphur content, means less lubrication, means damage to engine..

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Please, enlighten my poor soul about which part in the engine fuel provide lubrication

Re: HP Petrol Problem

Fuel acts as a lubricant for the fuel pump and the fuel injection system of the vehicle.
Less lubrication leads to early failure of the fuel pumps and the fuel injection system which is very costly components of the vehicle.Please, enlighten my poor soul about which part in the engine fuel provide lubrication[/QUOTE]

Re: HP Petrol Problem



I am intrigued by this. Have you found out the reason? If yes, please do share, it'll be a help for all of us here.

Thank you for clearing this up.
Cheers,
Akaash