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i had replied to your example of duster dacia related to MT helmets, which according to me was not related.

i said duster dacia is on renault website and not renault uk.

anyway lets discuss MT helmets only .

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I think this thread has lost all of its focus and has mostly useless information.

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I had specifically written that Duster is being sold that as Dacia and is not found on Renault website. You claimed that Dacia Duster is mentioned on Renault website. I sent a screenshot of Renault UK site showing that Duster is not mentioned. What is there not to understand?

This is how generalised statements work. You had mentioned Instead of generalised statements, specific questions about product quality would result in much more progress.

I am out of this discussion for good. I am NOT looking at this thread or replying here anymore.

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I really did not get what you are saying.


I guess we are discussing brand new products and not second hand ones....


Now can we discuss MT helmets instead of ferrari and duster dacia..??

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Did I not mention this earlier? Please try and read what I have posted before commenting.

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How can you find duster on renault uk website if its being sold in uk as dacia duster?? you can find it on dacia uk website.

however, point to note is that dacia has a website and a good one, and renault does mention about dacia duster on renault.com, its global website.

SO,....

can you find the mention of Zoan, Shox or Axxis model on the website of MT helmets.??

or does Shox have a website?

i will now wait [MENTION=29015]Sunnyside_up![/MENTION] to reply to all the queries raised till now.

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Ah, btw, i have finally succeeded to access and look at the ECE certification.

just a curiosity, does it not need an actual signature by pen, or is it digitally signed ?

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How did you come to the conclusion about a renowned brand is much less likely to play with quality? From LS2 example?

We are NOT discussing brand value and/or recognition. We are only talking about product quality. What is so difficult about that?

I am not assuming anything. I am simply saying that generic assumptions should not be entered into. I clearly said that if the company and/or distributor is willing to share certification details, there is nothing wrong. If they are not willing to share, there IS something wrong.



I was wrong here.


May be my computer is faulty but I don't see any Dacia / duster on Renault UK site.


How does this affect product quality? Aren't we discussing whether a product quality is as per its claims?

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the question is relevant. you failed to understand the question.

this particular question, or rather a statement is not about product quality but rather about brand value and brand recognition.

A renowned brand is much less likely to play with quality for short term benefits.

and the example of ferrari car being sold on websites is entirely irrelevant, ferrari cars are not sold on ebay or similar website, whereas helmets are.



this is not wrong assumption, it seems you are assuming without even discussing that MT Helmets we get in India meet ECE and DOT certification.

btw, i was raising concern over DOT certification and not ECE certification.




Again, you are wrong, i quoted three major & leading online riding gear resellers, and all of them have "Shark" Brand helmet.

kindly check yourself.

i am not talking about hundreds of other online shops, i am talking about the three leading ones.

kindly check before quoting.


again an irrelevant example, still i will reply.

(1) You can find Dacia Duster mentioned on the website of Renault, where is the mention of Zoan or Shox helmets on MT website??
(2) Dacia has a website of its own, where is the website of Shox??
(3) and Dacia Duster Website is befitting the product well, whereas, look at Zoan Website, you will get the idea.



yes i have heard the term logistics, and know a few things about it. Kindly have a look at the map given on the website of MT Helmets of locations it sells MT helmets in, and plot the manufacturing locations on it. you will understand the logistics yourself.

what is the point in manufacturing at three locations so close by- china, taiwan and hongkong.



i am not speculating about anything, if you let the product representative answer the queries, what seems like broken pieces of puzzle may come together.

[MENTION=29015]Sunnyside_up![/MENTION] it is my sincere request to kindly answer all my queries.

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I suggest we stick to the format of asking relevant questions. No issue in asking any question pertaining to quality of the product. How does a question about it not being available on many websites relevant to product quality? Can you find Rolex watches, ferrari cars for sale on many websites?

A company may be extremely small and/or not known to many and/or its products are not very popular. It does NOT mean that that the quality of the product has to be bad. Please understand I am not comparing MT helmets with rolex or ferrari ....just making a point that non-availability on websites is not a guarantee of substandard quality.

I will give a small exmple. My riding jacket and pants are from a brand called Hein Gericke. Hein Gericke UK recently went backrupt...for the second time. However, if you search around on forums, you will find it to be a favourite of hard core riders. Product quality does NOT depend on its online / offline presence.

This is a wrong assumption. If the company and/or distributor is willing to share the certification details, then any label should be considered extremely trustworthy.

You can't find many shark helmets on US websites. Does that make a lesser known or suspect quality brand?

You will find Renault Duster being sold as Dacia Duster in Eastern Europe. Renault UK's site does not even have the name Duster in it. Toyota makes some cars under the brand name Lexus.....Nissan does under the brand Infinity....So going by your logic they have to be fake/substandard products. Right?

Are you really serious about this question? Have you heard a term called 'Logistics'? Products with larger volume than weight are almost always manufactured in multiple locations to reduce transport cost.

I sincerely request you to kindly stick to all the questions you may think about 'Whether product quality is as per claims'. Speculating on other things that are not relevant with product quality is really pointless.


Please understand that I have no relationship with SPG / MT....financial or otherwise. I do not personally know Sunny. I only request everyone to post relevant questions about product quality.

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[MENTION=29015]Sunnyside_up![/MENTION] , i can't view the document, after entering the alphanumeric code and clicking the search button, it keeps on searching forever.


although i had requested you earlier also, saying it once more, it is my humble request, can you plz e-mail it to me at [email protected]


[MENTION=23857]trustvishwas[/MENTION] : i suggest that we stick to the format, where we all ask questions & company representative answer them, instead of we cross-questioning each other.

and i will discuss everything related to MT helmets in this thread, not only genuineness of helmet, but also - genuineness of its safety certification, its quality and brand reputation etc. since it will not be wise to start a separate thread for each topic.

it is absolutely not a crime, if a company manufactures products to match world standards. However....

I have posted this in "LS2 thread" also, again mentioning it --

anybody can put a DOT approved sticker on its helmets, coz DOT does not actually test helmets before awarding DOT certificate, if any company feels that their helmets meet or exceed DOT standards, the company is free to put a "DOT approved" stamp on its helmets.

DOT actually tests helmets afterwards, by either picking up helmets from market or by asking the company to supply them few helmets for testing, and that too, it does for whichever helmet or brand it feels, not necessarily it will test all helmets.

this system works in USA, coz company fears that if DOT ever test their helmet, and it fails, there will be heavy fine/legal action, so this self check mechanism work iin USA.

BUT,

if somebody decides to manufacture helmets in india, which are substandard, and sticks DOT label on it and sells only in india, then he can sell it in india forever with DOT label, coz no US authority is going to come to India and test the helmets.

SO, if a helmet is not selling in US, then DOT label is not very trustworthy.



^^ thanks for this, however, it seems too good to be true, exactly on the boundary, not 1 gram less, not 1 gram more. if i get a chance to weigh it, then i will believe this. for the time being, i am neutral.

thanks for the info, mate.


agreed, these websites are in USA, but these are considered to be the major players in online riding gear sales, and ship products worldwide or USA/Europe, which i think is the biggest market for these things.

I am just saying that MT is a lesser known brand.

btw, you can suggest some other 2-3 popular online websites selling MT Helmets.

OR, if its sold in USA as Zoan or Shox helmets, these USA based websites should atleast come up with Zoan/Shox helmets. isn't it?


Assume that TITAN is manufactured in china, taiwan, hongkong and spain, and sold only in India and europe. so TITAN frames manufactured in china can fullfill indian sales requirement and those manufactured in spain can fullfill europe's requirement, even if we assume the spain production is less or is costly, in that case balance requirement of europe can be met from china. then why is it being manufactured in taiwan and hongkong too. what is the sense in manufacturing at four different locations, unless and untill, it is manufactured for different markets with different product quality. otherwise it must sell atleast in one of these three other countries. isn't it?


A company which manufactures its products at 4 locations across the globe and export it to 50 countries worldwide should not take years to update the website. it should be updated within a few days at the max.

btw, the website of Zoan is very low grade, and somebody said it is also sold as SHOX somewhere, i cant even find the website of SHOX.





A different brand name and a different country of manufacturing coupled with the logic explained above and the result is not good.

• you have not mentioned this earlier, somebody else has said so.
• SHOX helmets does not even have a website ?? quite surprising.
• Zoan helmets website is not up to the mark of such a big name. if the name is big at all.
• what is the reason for selling helmets under different brand names in different countries??

In that case, how to ascertain that products being sold are actually of the same quality as the ones tested by ECE.

btw, you mentioned above that SHOX AXXIS is available at many uk based helmet sites, so i found this -->>




no ECE Certification, no DOT certification.

found here -->> Shox Axxis Identity UK United Kingdom Great Britain Motorcycle motorbike Helmet | eBay

moreover, the DOT approval stamp shown on MT helmets sold in india is not correct, since may 2013, it has to be in this format -->



as mentioned here -->> Motorcycle Helmet Standards Explained: DOT, ECE 22.05 & Snell


what is the reason, it is not sold in europe as MT axxis, and instead sold under a different brand name?

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Cool, i think it'll be clear now... Just thought ill point it out as the post was important for making your point..



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Oopsie! Thanks for the pointer. Happened when I took of my reading spectacles to see the "Made in China" marking! am NOT editing the post though as it never seems to reappear properly after!!

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I sincerely thank you for the time taken to share the necessary info on the same.

Rarely we get to interact with someone from the company in an open forum like xbhp. NE as market has got its own quirks as rightly pointed out by you. Remote markets have horrible internet, road accessibility and the local dealers make a killing in the process even from those who are informed riders, not to mention courier services being bad.

Not to drag this further into more series of OTs: will be looking forward to more informative discussions taking place on this thread.


Cheers,

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Dude, watch it there.. (marked) I know you meant IRRELEVANT.
Otherwise you're saying that the parts which they want to see in the document will be blanked out..


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