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**B7ACKTHORN** · 10-12-2014, 09:12 PM

Re: Why dont we have any desi Superbike

if HD, Triumph, Dukati, indian etc etc can bring litter class bike in india and sell like hotcakes. - As I m literally dumb.

You know, why I love my work, this is why.

And the main reason why we don't have liter class bikes is because we can't even relate to them heck, even close, properly in the first place. (pun intended) Oh boy! That smiley. Made my day.

Cheers!
VJ

**stefanm** · 10-14-2014, 12:32 AM

Re: Why dont we have any desi Superbike

Because we have RE, (stuck in the past), we have TVS (nuff said, stacis, one design to everlast), we have Hero Honda (waking up since the divorce), we have Bajaj (waiting to enforce), we have retarded roads and road users, pleasant people turning into full time abusers, ultimately what's the point and what's the aim, a quick buck? or a ride that's insane? It's all about the money and feeding the masses, if didn't know that then borrow my glasses.

**The Monk** · 10-14-2014, 10:14 AM

Re: Why dont we have any desi Superbike

Originally posted by stefanm View Post

Because we have RE, (stuck in the past), we have TVS (nuff said, stacis, one design to everlast), we have Hero Honda (waking up since the divorce), we have Bajaj (waiting to enforce), we have retarded roads and road users, pleasant people turning into full time abusers, ultimately what's the point and what's the aim, a quick buck? or a ride that's insane? It's all about the money and feeding the masses, if didn't know that then borrow my glasses.

What a reply sirjee

You are upping the ante for Yo Yo Honey Singh i see. The first Auto Rap of India

The level of technology that goes into a superbike is probably not available with any of the Indian manufacturers. Also the amount of investment required would not give sufficient returns in terms of sales.

**itsmevini123** · 10-14-2014, 10:58 AM

Re: Why dont we have any desi Superbike

Originally posted by stefanm View Post

Because we have RE, (stuck in the past), we have TVS (nuff said, stacis, one design to everlast), we have Hero Honda (waking up since the divorce), we have Bajaj (waiting to enforce), we have retarded roads and road users, pleasant people turning into full time abusers, ultimately what's the point and what's the aim, a quick buck? or a ride that's insane? It's all about the money and feeding the masses, if didn't know that then borrow my glasses.

Heart touching, so true

**liionheart** · 10-14-2014, 11:25 AM

Re: Why dont we have any desi Superbike

Originally posted by The Monk View Post

The level of technology that goes into a superbike is probably not available with any of the Indian manufacturers. Also the amount of investment required would not give sufficient returns in terms of sales.

Yes, all Desi manufacturer doesn't have technology & capability to design & make these bike, and over all market is not prepared for this kind of product designing. like automotive manufacturer are dependent on ancillary units for many new design aspect which they can not support due to their own technological limitation or non availability of vendors to provide required support. and they will either have to use low grade product(not possible with super bike) or import that part.

So to say that to start the design itself including technical support(designing & technical databank), prototyping(high quality custom parts), testing (testing setup)etc which is huge cost involvement which acts like barrier to entry. Leave aside the production which is still 10 steps further. Its like asking for HAL to prepare F16 or F18 fighter aircraft

And market is also not mature enough to accept this kind of product therefore sales can't justify the investment involvement. If you are producing something you have pressure to sell at least required minimum quantity.

The easy way out is what Bajaj (with KTM) & Hero are doing :- Buy the technology from foreign players but they have to still wait for overall market & local vendors also to upgrade their limitation to provide support and foreign players also have their own interest.

**sparky** · 10-14-2014, 01:29 PM

Re: Why dont we have any desi Superbike

One main reason is our country is a cost sensitive market or in other words, market for cheap goods, so it is no surprise we get only cheap (relatively speaking of course) products.
Or as we are all told since birth- We are a developing country

**Deathmate.Zed** · 10-14-2014, 01:31 PM

Re: Why dont we have any desi Superbike

We don't have a Pulsar 998 or a Karizma 1300 because :

1. Even these bikes will be asked the question 'Kitna deti hai' and on hearing the answer, people will say 'Layy! isse toh apni splendor achhi hai. 80 ka mileage deti hai'

2. We don't have the technology to make these bikes. People are still warming up to the idea od fuel injection and ABS. Steering dampening and Traction control have a looong way to come.

3. The common indian riders still have a long way to go in the world of road manners and safety. And this is maybe a distant dream because even the road law enforcement authorities hand over licenses based on the fees paid, not the riding skill.

4. Indian roads will ensure that the bikes literally become 'litter bikes' when ridden on them.

But this was an amazing thought! All credit to the threadstarter

**Anuj_Gupta** · 10-14-2014, 01:57 PM

Re: Why dont we have any desi Superbike

Originally posted by Deathmate.Zed View Post

We don't have a Pulsar 998 or a Karizma 1300 because :

1. Even these bikes will be asked the question 'Kitna deti hai' and on hearing the answer, people will say 'Layy! isse toh apni splendor achhi hai. 80 ka mileage deti hai'

2. We don't have the technology to make these bikes. People are still warming up to the idea od fuel injection and ABS. Steering dampening and Traction control have a looong way to come.

3. The common indian riders still have a long way to go in the world of road manners and safety. And this is maybe a distant dream because even the road law enforcement authorities hand over licenses based on the fees paid, not the riding skill.

4. Indian roads will ensure that the bikes literally become 'litter bikes' when ridden on them.

But this was an amazing thought! All credit to the threadstarter

Sir I beg to differ...
1. No one has the sole deciding factor of kitna deti hai, even When he goes out for a power bike ex- Ns, r15,rc200 or ninja cbr 250 .mentioning these as these are the best selling hotcakes in terms of so called superbikes. Yes ,we do like to know how many kms per litre ,but it's not like if it ain't giving 60+ ,we won't buy it .even for another example , rc200 ,if company advertises that it'll give 20 ,still those who want it ,,will buy it irrespective of mileage .it's not like dude I am able to get a duke but since it gives 20 ,I'm going for splendor pro .:screwy:
2. We have tech to be the first Asian country and first in whole world to touch mars atmosphere that too for rags ,don't you think you're disparaging Indian talent .yes ,WE DO HAVE RESOURCES TO GET ALL TECH WE NEED BY OURSELVES, BUT THAT NEEDS R&D ,AND R&D NEEDS CASH .India being a already exponential growing competitive economy, desi companies cannot give in all to r&d over dhoom bikes since customer base is small .instead they target the 100-150cc segment,and that's we've Benn seeing so much improvement in it .rest about superbikes ,Yamaha Honda etc are decades old companies ,while bajaj had its taste only some odd 14 years back .ss400 ,cs400 are ready (even with ktm engines , but since they own the shares ,so they're going by jugaad method ) and future holds promises of hxr, apache +bmw and what not .5 years later,things we'll be highly different .
3. I agree ,but that fault lies with us ,our families,our relatives ,our chunnu, munnu and pinky whom we've failed to enlighten enough .I have a 2 year old nephew and whenever somebody asks him about how he'll ride a bike ,he always replies with happiness -halmet phen ke (with a helmet ) .that's ethic building ,even if we all start it today, at least we cam be worry free of 20 years later .
4. Yes but things are changing ,new MVA is around the corner ,hopefully modi ji will look into this as recently the 1.37L deaths per year have been buzzing PMO(source ,my daddy) .lets see what future holds for US as a biker

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**TheArcher84** · 10-14-2014, 02:07 PM

Re: Why dont we have any desi Superbike

It should not be like a Mocktail or Cocktail of technologies..Ok..We borrow the front end from Ducati, Frame from Yamaha, Engine from Honda...etc etc...There is long way to go for Desi motorcycle companies to prepare a SBK of Indian standard..heck...Taking of preparing one, to design them, it will take ages.

We have just entered from Dual spring suspension in the rear to a Monoshock (200NS, again a desi company). My friend..If we get a chance for re-birth, May be we can see them using a V-Twin or Inline-4.

**Deathmate.Zed** · 10-14-2014, 02:18 PM

Re: Why dont we have any desi Superbike

Originally posted by Anuj_Gupta View Post

Sir I beg to differ...
1. No one has the sole deciding factor of kitna deti hai, even When he goes out for a power bike ex- Ns, r15,rc200 or ninja cbr 250 .mentioning these as these are the best selling hotcakes in terms of so called superbikes. Yes ,we do like to know how many kms per litre ,but it's not like if it ain't giving 60+ ,we won't buy it .even for another example , rc200 ,if company advertises that it'll give 20 ,still those who want it ,,will buy it irrespective of mileage .it's not like dude I am able to get a duke but since it gives 20 ,I'm going for splendor pro .:screwy:
2. We have tech to be the first Asian country and first in whole world to touch mars atmosphere that too for rags ,don't you think you're disparaging Indian talent .yes ,WE DO HAVE RESOURCES TO GET ALL TECH WE NEED BY OURSELVES, BUT THAT NEEDS R&D ,AND R&D NEEDS CASH .India being a already exponential growing competitive economy, desi companies cannot give in all to r&d over dhoom bikes since customer base is small .instead they target the 100-150cc segment,and that's we've Benn seeing so much improvement in it .rest about superbikes ,Yamaha Honda etc are decades old companies ,while bajaj had its taste only some odd 14 years back .ss400 ,cs400 are ready (even with ktm engines , but since they own the shares ,so they're going by jugaad method ) and future holds promises of hxr, apache +bmw and what not .5 years later,things we'll be highly different .
3. I agree ,but that fault lies with us ,our families,our relatives ,our chunnu, munnu and pinky whom we've failed to enlighten enough .I have a 2 year old nephew and whenever somebody asks him about how he'll ride a bike ,he always replies with happiness -halmet phen ke (with a helmet ) .that's ethic building ,even if we all start it today, at least we cam be worry free of 20 years later .
4. Yes but things are changing ,new MVA is around the corner ,hopefully modi ji will look into this as recently the 1.37L deaths per year have been buzzing PMO(source ,my daddy) .lets see what future holds for US as a biker

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Hey buddy, I replied to the question 'Why don't we have an Indian superbike currently' and not in the future

And regarding the first point of manufacturers not going in this niche segment currently, They will consider the cost-profit difference and will go with the mass mentality. But good arguements there and a very positive outlook for our future.

**theironhorse99** · 10-14-2014, 05:24 PM

Re: Why dont we have any desi Superbike

Originally posted by Souma Dip Bhaduri View Post

Dear mods...

Since I m new to the forum, I am posting a general question here. Please feel free to take any action if needed.

We always want a Superbike since childhood. All the vroom vroom. All the road presence etc. But in reality, a very few biker can achieve the dream considering the price tag of a 500cc+ bike. Now my question is, if HD, Triumph, Dukati, indian etc etc can bring litter class bike in india and sell like hotcakes. Why dont our own desis like Hero, Bajaj, Mahindra can not make such? Here I m not talking about the KTM or Ninja. I m talking about Pulser 998 cc or karizma 1300 or something like this. If yamaha can bring the 1000 cc Fazer or R1 image to 150cc commuter, why cant we bring the phoenix 125 to Phoenix 1250. Comments are most welcome. As I m literally dumb[emoji4]

we made Mars Rover . for the sole reason we had a need for it...

however for a country like India... guys into serious motorcycling account to negligible % of the total buyers.
the mindset of quantity over quality.
the idea that if both 150 vs 1200 have fairings and engine is different then why is one 1L and other being 10L
the thought of "itne me to sedan aa jayegi"
the framework of roads.
the youth going rash every passing day.
those insane loud exhaust of the posers
the mindset of riding fast is cool
the ministry to approve such machines
the companies to see the profitability

after all of this if i own a company today. i already know the most profit i will make is commuters and not performance oriented machines.
the common man will not bother of Fi and pick one which is cheaper
the fuel price hike...

above all.. to make a superbike (light weight , agile , fast , quick cornering) and not a boat 1000cc with 300kg and difficult to control is lot of R&D if it has to be home grown
is lot of money. the result will be far lesser sales than the commuter segment. now if you are a businessman you take a call..

i am sure our next generations will definitely see those machines coming up as markets will evolve but i doubt the mindset of the crowd will ever change..

coming back to first statement... we needed to explore space we built a mars rover..
do we really need superbikes against all odds ??? no we don't. will the companies earn profits enough to continue the work and develop further ??? no they wont...

yes we want to go fast... face that wind.. that chill in the spine , that adrenaline rush... but but.... in India we don't apply brake between those rides.. we try riding between those brakes..