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  • TPS and a brief outline on the Engine management unit or ECU

    "A throttle position sensor (TPS) is connected to the shaft of the throttle plate to provide the ECU with information on whether the throttle is in the idle position, wide-open throttle (WOT) position, or somewhere in between these extremes" - Wikipedia

    TPS essentially tells the ecu what is the relative position of the butterfly valve. If the ecu is connected to a computer using appropriate software one can see that the TPS setting has a value ranging from 0-100. 0 being a fully closed butterfly valve and 100 being fully open one (also known as WOT).

    This is combined with other parameters using various sensors i.e
    air temperature sensor
    intake manifold air pressure (MAP) sensor
    coolant temperature sensor
    camshaft position sensor (which tells the ecu what the intake and exhaust valves are doing)
    crankshaft position sensor (which tells the ecu what the position of the piston is)
    lambda sensor (measuring air:fuel ratio indirectly by analysing exhaust oxygen content)
    fuel pressure sensor
    knock sensor
    engine speed (rpm)
    idle air control valve (IACV)

    NOTE: NOT ALL ENGINES UTILISE ALL THESE PARAMETERS SO DON'T PANIC IF YOUR MODERN BIKE DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE SENSORS (especially knock sensor and fuel pressure)

    This then enables the ecu to tell the injector(s) as to how much fuel to supply to the engine and at what point in the combustion cycle and also tells the ignition unit at what point and for what durationto to give the spark (usually at TDC or top dead centre) to give optimum combustion. The end result is optimum power (read that as "kitna power hai") and fuel efficiency (read that as mileage or what gives us the "kitna deti hai").

    This also explains why modern engines with ecu's are more efficient compared to older engines.


    A simple schematic: Inputs from the various sensors (red rectangles) go to the ecu which in turn controls A (fuel injection) and B (spark).

    Clemson Vehicular Electronics Laboratory: Engine Control
    Leh Ladakh Aug 2015

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    Re: TPS and a brief outline on the Engine management unit or ECU

    Topic Approved

    Thanks for starting this topic. Very interesting and we can add information to the first post about all the various sensors that the ECU uses to run the engine properly.
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      Re: TPS and a brief outline on the Engine management unit or ECU

      Very nice information. I never knew this. One of my friend had a Yamaha Fazer 125 (double headlight) which had TPS. Carb was Mikuni VM20 BS. But it was not equipped with ECU or any other sensors AFAIK. I wonder how it worked !

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        Re: TPS and a brief outline on the Engine management unit or ECU

        How about the O2 sensor working. Does it really identify the amount of O2 gas from the combusted mixture ?? And why is the O2 sensors placed before and after the Cat-Con unit.
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          Re: TPS and a brief outline on the Engine management unit or ECU

          Originally posted by TheArcher84 View Post
          How about the O2 sensor working. Does it really identify the amount of O2 gas from the combusted mixture ?? And why is the O2 sensors placed before and after the Cat-Con unit.
          The sensor does not actually measure oxygen concentration. It actually measures the difference between the amount of oxygen in the exhaust gas and the amount of oxygen in air.

          "Modern spark-ignited combustion engines use oxygen sensors and catalytic converters in order to reduce exhaust emissions. Information on oxygen concentration is sent to the engine management computer or engine control unit (ECU), which adjusts the amount of fuel injected into the engine to compensate for excess air or excess fuel. The ECU attempts to maintain, on average, a certain air–fuel ratio by interpreting the information it gains from the oxygen sensor" - Wikipedia

          One pre-cat oxygen sensor is sufficient to provide feedback to the ecu to regulate the fuel mixture. The post-cat Oxygen sensor is located after the cat to meet more stringent regulations (particularly in the US) to monitor the catalytic converters efficiency. If it is not efficient enough (ie at scavenging the unwanted products of combustion) then the sensor will indicate this which in turn will lead to the car failing its annual checkup (in UK this is known as the MOT)!!
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            Re: TPS and a brief outline on the Engine management unit or ECU

            Originally posted by Adilkadri123 View Post
            The sensor does not actually measure oxygen concentration. It actually measures the difference between the amount of oxygen in the exhaust gas and the amount of oxygen in air.

            "Modern spark-ignited combustion engines use oxygen sensors and catalytic converters in order to reduce exhaust emissions. Information on oxygen concentration is sent to the engine management computer or engine control unit (ECU), which adjusts the amount of fuel injected into the engine to compensate for excess air or excess fuel. The ECU attempts to maintain, on average, a certain air–fuel ratio by interpreting the information it gains from the oxygen sensor" - Wikipedia

            One pre-cat oxygen sensor is sufficient to provide feedback to the ecu to regulate the fuel mixture. The post-cat Oxygen sensor is located after the cat to meet more stringent regulations (particularly in the US) to monitor the catalytic converters efficiency. If it is not efficient enough (ie at scavenging the unwanted products of combustion) then the sensor will indicate this which in turn will lead to the car failing its annual checkup (in UK this is known as the MOT)!!
            Thanks for that...Can the Air-Fuel ratio programmed in the ECU be modified ??
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              Re: TPS and a brief outline on the Engine management unit or ECU

              Originally posted by TheArcher84 View Post
              Thanks for that...Can the Air-Fuel ratio programmed in the ECU be modified ??
              As far as i have read about ECUs .. No you can't reprogram stock ecu because its locked .. Like your Android phone which needs to flashed and rooted in order to take control over core system ..
              In this case aftermarket ecu can be used and programmed.. or if there's a way to flash the stock ecu and then take control over it ..


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                Re: TPS and a brief outline on the Engine management unit or ECU

                Wow, Superb article. Thanks for sharing.

                I have question not specifically related to this picture but generally, Is it our spark plug keep inginitng the flame in cylinder at every blast or it has to flame it once and then it will continue himself?
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                  Re: TPS and a brief outline on the Engine management unit or ECU

                  Originally posted by itsmevini123 View Post
                  Wow, Superb article. Thanks for sharing.

                  I have question not specifically related to this picture but generally, Is it our spark plug keep inginitng the flame in cylinder at every blast or it has to flame it once and then it will continue himself?
                  In 4 stroke engines the spark plug fires only at the ignition stroke. So you can say in the four strokes that engine performs the spark plug ignites only in one stroke.

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                    Re: TPS and a brief outline on the Engine management unit or ECU

                    Originally posted by itsmevini123 View Post
                    Wow, Superb article. Thanks for sharing.

                    I have question not specifically related to this picture but generally, Is it our spark plug keep inginitng the flame in cylinder at every blast or it has to flame it once and then it will continue himself?
                    The spark plug fires at every compression stroke, irrespective of whether it is a 2 or 4 stroke....so in case of a single cylinder 4 stroke engine , the spark plug will fire during exhaust stroke also, since the spark timing is directly linked to Piston Top Dead Center position, using the Rotor's/Generator's timing signal.
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                      Re: TPS and a brief outline on the Engine management unit or ECU

                      @Adilkadri123 - Can you tell what is the role of TPS in carburetted bikes? Like in Royal Enfield 350cc (new) bikes there is TPS which is present and these bikes are all carburetted.

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                      Originally posted by psr View Post
                      The spark plug fires at every compression stroke, irrespective of whether it is a 2 or 4 stroke....so in case of a single cylinder 4 stroke engine , the spark plug will fire during exhaust stroke also, since the spark timing is directly linked to Piston Top Dead Center position, using the Rotor's/Generator's timing signal.
                      Sir, you mean to say the spark plug would fire twice during the four strokes that happens in a single cylinder 4 stroke bike?

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                        Re: TPS and a brief outline on the Engine management unit or ECU

                        Originally posted by gyan_recl350 View Post
                        Can you tell what is the role of TPS in carburetted bikes? Like in Royal Enfield 350cc (new) bikes there is TPS which is present and these bikes are all carburetted.
                        Depending on the engine speed, the spark timing has to be altered. Tps allows this timing change in carb bikes by sensing the position of throttle. Wide open throttle activates tps to change timing map compared to part throttle inputs timing map. Simply put, it allows carb bikes to have eco and power modes depending on user input..

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                          Re: TPS and a brief outline on the Engine management unit or ECU

                          Originally posted by gyan_recl350 View Post
                          @Adilkadri123 - Can you tell what is the role of TPS in carburetted bikes? Like in Royal Enfield 350cc (new) bikes there is TPS which is present and these bikes are all carburetted.

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                          Sir, you mean to say the spark plug would fire twice during the four strokes that happens in a single cylinder 4 stroke bike?
                          In a bike with carburetor, the TPS is used for controlling the Ignition timing of advance and retard only...In a Four stroke single cylinder engine, the process of Intake, Compression ,Ignition ,and Exhaust takes FOUR independent strokes to complete the process. ie, (1) the intake starts when the Piston is going down ,from Top Dead Center,and Intake Valve Opens.....(2) the piston starts to rise after Bottom dead center and the compression stroke starts till the piston nears Top Dead Center, (3)when The Ignition of the Air Fuel Mix takes place through a Spark from the Spark Plug...now with the ignition and combustion the piston once again starts to Go down in a "Power Stroke" till the Bottom Dead Center and(4) once again starts to rise for the Exhaust Stroke when the burnt gasses are sent out through exhaust Valve opening... The Spark that Occurs on Exhaust stroke is a "Wasted Spark"..


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                            Re: TPS and a brief outline on the Engine management unit or ECU

                            Originally posted by TheArcher84 View Post
                            Thanks for that...Can the Air-Fuel ratio programmed in the ECU be modified ??
                            Not in a stock ecu unless it is "flashed" as mentioned earlier.

                            In a petrol engine the ideal air:fuel ratio is 14.7:1. If it is possible to provide exactly enough air to completely burn all of the fuel, the ratio is known as the "stoichometric mixture". In theory a stoichiometric mixture has exactly the right amount of air to completely burn all of the available fuel in each combustion stroke. In practice this can never be exactly achieved mainly due to the very short time available during each combustion cycle.

                            "By measuring the proportion of oxygen in the remaining exhaust gas, and by knowing the volume and temperature of the air entering the cylinders amongst other things, an ECU can use look-up tables to determine the amount of fuel required to burn at the stoichiometric ratio (14.7:1 air:fuel by mass for gasoline) to ensure complete combustion" - Wikipedia

                            To put it simply the role of the ecu is to provide exactly the right amount of fuel and a spark for each combustion stroke after taking into account various parameters such as air tempt, manifold air pressure, engine temperature, position of the throttle (eg. is the engine idling or its being caned on a track), positon of the cylinder, oxygen content (so to speak) in the exhaust gas using the various aforementioned sensors.
                            Last edited by Adilkadri123; 02-20-2015, 04:54 PM.
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                              Re: TPS and a brief outline on the Engine management unit or ECU

                              Originally posted by psr View Post
                              In a bike with carburetor, the TPS is used for controlling the Ignition timing of advance and retard only...In a Four stroke single cylinder engine, the process of Intake, Compression ,Ignition ,and Exhaust takes FOUR independent strokes to complete the process. ie, (1) the intake starts when the Piston is going down ,from Top Dead Center,and Intake Valve Opens.....(2) the piston starts to rise after Bottom dead center and the compression stroke starts till the piston nears Top Dead Center, (3)when The Ignition of the Air Fuel Mix takes place through a Spark from the Spark Plug...now with the ignition and combustion the piston once again starts to Go down in a "Power Stroke" till the Bottom Dead Center and(4) once again starts to rise for the Exhaust Stroke when the burnt gasses are sent out through exhaust Valve opening... The Spark that Occurs on Exhaust stroke is a "Wasted Spark"..

                              Good info about wasted spark. I never knew it. Thank you sir.

                              Now about TPS on carburetted bike. I am running my RE CL350 without TPS and I don't see any difference at all? So I asked what does it do. Does it play so little a role that it's absence cannot be felt practically?

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                              Just to add . I have read somewhere that TPS on RE 350 does retard the timing near zero throttle to avoid back-kicks to save the sprag clutch.

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