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  • #166
    Re: INFO: A Guide On Technical Jargons

    I didn't got your point about disengaging clutch when closing throttle. Can you please explain in detail?

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    • #167
      Re: INFO: A Guide On Technical Jargons

      Originally posted by shrirang Shivankar View Post
      I didn't got your point about disengaging clutch when closing throttle. Can you please explain in detail?

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      Hey buddy, I'm not sure who are you referring to.

      But it has been explained before.

      Disengaging clutch = disconnecting the engine with rear wheel, which happens when we press the clutch lever.
      Closing throttle means to give less acceleration, or lessen the accelerator twist.

      I think it can't be made any simpler than this in textual form. If you want any specific clarification, please give more details.
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      • #168
        Re: INFO: A Guide On Technical Jargons

        Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
        Hey buddy, I'm not sure who are you referring to.

        But it has been explained before.

        Disengaging clutch = disconnecting the engine with rear wheel, which happens when we press the clutch lever.
        Closing throttle means to give less acceleration, or lessen the accelerator twist.

        I think it can't be made any simpler than this in textual form. If you want any specific clarification, please give more details.
        I'm also not remembering as to exactly whom I referred at that time.
        Though I have a simple question, if we are not accelerating automobile, will it increase mileage if clutch is engaged.
        I disengage clutch while accelerator not in use to get better mileage while all my friends do not advice me to do so.

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        • #169
          Re: INFO: A Guide On Technical Jargons

          Originally posted by shrirang Shivankar View Post
          I'm also not remembering as to exactly whom I referred at that time.
          Though I have a simple question, if we are not accelerating automobile, will it increase mileage if clutch is engaged.
          I disengage clutch while accelerator not in use to get better mileage while all my friends do not advice me to do so.

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          What you do is equivalent to pushing a bike while it is idling. There would be no control in case a quick maneuver is needed in emergency. Use the clutch lever to ONLY change gears and nothing else.


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          • #170
            Re: INFO: A Guide On Technical Jargons

            Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
            What you do is equivalent to pushing a bike while it is idling. There would be no control in case a quick maneuver is needed in emergency. Use the clutch lever to ONLY change gears and nothing else.


            Sent from my phone. Kindly avoid it while riding.
            I agree it's not worth at emergency times, just worried about mileage.
            This topic is a bit controversial within us.
            I think the engine will need fuel at lower rate (1200 rpm) when clutch disengaged compared to fuel at higher rate ( say 4000 rpm) when clutch engaged, as in both cases throttle is closed if one is not accelerating.

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            • #171
              Re: INFO: A Guide On Technical Jargons

              Originally posted by shrirang Shivankar View Post
              I agree it's not worth at emergency times, just worried about mileage.
              This topic is a bit controversial within us.
              I think the engine will need fuel at lower rate (1200 rpm) when clutch disengaged compared to fuel at higher rate ( say 4000 rpm) when clutch engaged, as in both cases throttle is closed if one is not accelerating.

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              One should improve his riding skills instead of following wrong concepts. There are efficient ways to improve average figures.


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              • #172
                Re: INFO: A Guide On Technical Jargons

                Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                One should improve his riding skills instead of following wrong concepts. There are efficient ways to improve average figures.


                Sent from my phone. Kindly avoid it while riding.
                It will be helpful if you elaborate 'wrong concepts '

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                • #173
                  Re: INFO: A Guide On Technical Jargons

                  Originally posted by shrirang Shivankar View Post
                  It will be helpful if you elaborate 'wrong concepts '

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                  Bad Habits:

                  1. Pressing the clutch lever while riding downhill.
                  2. Pressing the clutch lever and/or braking while going over speed bumps.
                  3. Pressing the clutch lever all the time in city.
                  4. Pressing the clutch lever while letting go off the throttle.
                  5. Highway code of blinkers. (Going straight while 'indicating' to the driver/rider behind to overtake on the side the blinker is ON)
                  6. Not getting off the bike while re-fueling - put it on the stand (read about static discharge).
                  7. Thinking that tires with exact pressure as recommended would explode during long highway runs, hence under inflating it by a few psi in the hopes of expansion! Myth. Tires explode more due to sidewall fractures due to less air.
                  8. Under inflating during rains for maximum contact patch. Again a myth!
                  9. Not learning the art of rev matching and throttle blipping thinking it reduces mileage.
                  10. Revving the bike/car/truck/bus/xyz in neutral.

                  And many more!
                  Last edited by Divya Sharan; 04-27-2015, 01:01 PM.
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                  • #174
                    Re: INFO: A Guide On Technical Jargons

                    Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                    ...
                    2. Pressing the clutch lever while going over speed bumps...
                    4. Pressing the clutch lever while letting go off the throttle


                    And many more!
                    I wouldn't have posted this except these seem important & sadly I was ignorant of some of these.
                    I mean one usually slows down just before the speed breaker & pulls the clutch in to downshift.

                    P.S: Also a little more on 4 would be helpful sir.
                    Last edited by curve_king; 04-27-2015, 12:14 PM.

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                    • #175
                      Re: INFO: A Guide On Technical Jargons

                      Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                      6. Not getting off the bike while re-fueling (read about static discharge)
                      Wouldn't putting your bike on the stand be a better option than getting off it? But, since a person is always in contact with ground when standing still, it does not make any difference. Getting off is suggested in case of cars and especially for the bunks that have self service (mainly western countries). This is so that the static electricity the user has accumulated could lead to potential discharge when entering the car again, with the nozzle in the tank.

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                      • #176
                        Re: INFO: A Guide On Technical Jargons

                        Originally posted by curve_king View Post
                        I wouldn't have posted this except these seem important & sadly I was ignorant of some of these.
                        I mean one usually slows down just before the speed breaker & pulls the clutch in to downshift.

                        P.S: Also a little more on 4 would be helpful sir.
                        The pointers I have given here are the ones that should NOT be followed. These are bad habits.
                        4. It means people have a habit of pulling the clutch lever while braking/letting go off the accelerator. This is wrong! Let engine braking do its job.

                        Originally posted by AmitRavi07 View Post
                        Wouldn't putting your bike on the stand be a better option than getting off it? But, since a person is always in contact with ground when standing still, it does not make any difference. Getting off is suggested in case of cars and especially for the bunks that have self service (mainly western countries). This is so that the static electricity the user has accumulated could lead to potential discharge when entering the car again, with the nozzle in the tank.
                        Absolutely! This is what Shell bunks ask you to do. Park your bike on the stand. You (rider) don't act as a ground, the stand does!
                        I'll edit my post to reflect the same in order to avoid confusion.
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                        Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
                        Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
                        ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
                        P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                        • #177
                          Re: INFO: A Guide On Technical Jargons

                          Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                          The pointers I have given here are the ones that should NOT be followed...4. It means people have a habit of pulling the clutch lever while braking/letting go off the accelerator. This is wrong! Let engine braking do its job...same in order to avoid confusion.
                          Oh yes sir I already got that they were bad habits. :thumbup:
                          I wanted more details on the mentioned point..thanks a lot for explaining that particular point.

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                          • #178
                            Re: INFO: A Guide On Technical Jargons

                            Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                            The pointers I have given here are the ones that should NOT be followed. These are bad habits.
                            4. It means people have a habit of pulling the clutch lever while braking/letting go off the accelerator. This is wrong! Let engine braking do its job.

                            Engine braking is not always present, what if the engines deceleration is less than the bike itself?
                            And if we pull clutch lever while deceleration, what's wrong with that? On the contrary if we don't pull, it will exert too much torque on clutch plates, which will wear it faster

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                            • #179
                              Re: INFO: A Guide On Technical Jargons

                              Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                              Bad Habits:

                              1. Pressing the clutch lever while riding downhill.
                              2. Pressing the clutch lever and/or braking while going over speed bumps.
                              3. Pressing the clutch lever all the time in city.
                              4. Pressing the clutch lever while letting go off the throttle.
                              5. Highway code of blinkers. (Going straight while 'indicating' to the driver/rider behind to overtake on the side the blinker is ON)
                              6. Not getting off the bike while re-fueling - put it on the stand (read about static discharge).
                              7. Thinking that tires with exact pressure as recommended would explode during long highway runs, hence under inflating it by a few psi in the hopes of expansion! Myth. Tires explode more due to sidewall fractures due to less air.
                              8. Under inflating during rains for maximum contact patch. Again a myth!
                              9. Not learning the art of rev matching and throttle blipping thinking it reduces mileage.
                              10. Revving the bike/car/truck/bus/xyz in neutral.

                              And many more!
                              I thought 'wrong concepts ' here meant something about mileage and clutch operation.
                              Nice points though, thank you.

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                              • #180
                                Re: INFO: A Guide On Technical Jargons

                                Originally posted by shrirang Shivankar View Post
                                Engine braking is not always present, what if the engines deceleration is less than the bike itself?
                                And if we pull clutch lever while deceleration, what's wrong with that? On the contrary if we don't pull, it will exert too much torque on clutch plates, which will wear it faster

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                                There is no 'what if' sir! Either there is engine braking or engine knocking. Engine knocks when the RPM has fallen too low for that gear. Engine braking is when RPM is high and reducing fast due to vacuum. As soon as the revs match, engine braking goes off and soon it falls into engine knocking category.
                                Blipping the throttle while downshifting gives you that seamless feeling of smooth gearshifts. Clutch plates do NOT fry with engine braking.

                                On the contrary, since you have pulled in the clutch lever already, there is no control of the tranny on the bike.
                                Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
                                Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

                                Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
                                Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
                                ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
                                P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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