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  • Your Opinion: Should scooters come with big wheels?

    I have been a motorcycle rider all my life. Sometime last year I was compelled to sell of my Karizma for some personal reasons. Since then I am mostly travelling on my car and since i can not really leave without a two wheeler I bought a Suzuki Access scooter.

    I really like the scooter. It is amazingly peppy and could easily outrun any 100CC motorcycles as well as some lower end 125CCs. The torque distribution is fantastic and it pulls cleanly even when loaded with two heavy adults with combined weight of 170+ KGs. I have seen speedo needle touching 90kmpg mark (actual speed would be lower) with such weight on the expressway and the engine did not seem to be overstressed. The variable drive make life easy particularly in heavy traffic and negotiating through thick crowed is cakewalk given the flickability of the scooter combined with the ease of twist and go drive. The luggage space is adequate. I have mounted a spare wheel hence I am not afraid of punctures in the middle of nowhere.

    But despite all these goodies there is a catch.

    The 10 inch wheels of the scooter is grossly inadequate to tackle the lunar surface which we call roads in Kolkata. The going is good while the road is smooth but as soon the scooter is met with undulations and bad road surface it is pure hell for your back. The scooter bounces off vigorously threatning to throw the rider off. This is something I never experienced on motorcycles. I am already having lower back pain. As you sit straight on the scooter the jarring reaches your backbone. All the comfort of automatic drive goes away with this and after a 40 km drive in the city I feel completely drained and reach home with back pain. Even the telescopic suspensions of this scooter which i presume one of the best in business does not really help. I have ridden scooters in my early days in my twenties. It did not seem so bad then. But with age (I am thirty Nine) this is taking a toll on me.

    The real culprit are the small wheels. If scooters would come with say 15 or 16 inch wheels I am sure this would have been a much better proposition in terms of ride comfort. Specially in a country like India where 90% of the roads that you travel on comes with poor surface. That is also why scooters are never favoured in rural areas.

    Maybe it'stime manufacturers put their brains behind this idea. Till they do let's hear your opinions too.

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      Originally posted by sasen View Post
      I have been a motorcycle rider all my life. Sometime last year I was compelled to sell of my Karizma for some personal reasons. Since then I am mostly travelling on my car and since i can not really leave without a two wheeler I bought a Suzuki Access scooter.

      I really like the scooter. It is amazingly peppy and could easily outrun any 100CC motorcycles as well as some lower end 125CCs. The torque distribution is fantastic and it pulls cleanly even when loaded with two heavy adults with combined weight of 170+ KGs. I have seen speedo needle touching 90kmpg mark (actual speed would be lower) with such weight on the expressway and the engine did not seem to be overstressed. The variable drive make life easy particularly in heavy traffic and negotiating through thick crowed is cakewalk given the flickability of the scooter combined with the ease of twist and go drive. The luggage space is adequate. I have mounted a spare wheel hence I am not afraid of punctures in the middle of nowhere.

      But despite all these goodies there is a catch.

      The 10 inch wheels of the scooter is grossly inadequate to tackle the lunar surface which we call roads in Kolkata. The going is good while the road is smooth but as soon the scooter is met with undulations and bad road surface it is pure hell for your back. The scooter bounces off vigorously threatning to throw the rider off. This is something I never experienced on motorcycles. I am already having lower back pain. As you sit straight on the scooter the jarring reaches your backbone. All the comfort of automatic drive goes away with this and after a 40 km drive in the city I feel completely drained and reach home with back pain. Even the telescopic suspensions of this scooter which i presume one of the best in business does not really help. I have ridden scooters in my early days in my twenties. It did not seem so bad then. But with age (I am thirty Nine) this is taking a toll on me.

      The real culprit are the small wheels. If scooters would come with say 15 or 16 inch wheels I am sure this would have been a much better proposition in terms of ride comfort. Specially in a country like India where 90% of the roads that you travel on comes with poor surface. That is also why scooters are never favoured in rural areas.

      Maybe it'stime manufacturers put their brains behind this idea. Till they do let's hear your opinions too.
      Hero Motors had introduced a scooter called Winner. Larger wheels and vario transmission. It was ideal for city commutes and occasional off-roading "D to have fun. It was the stubborn mindset of the average masses that refused to accept a nice product. Lets see if someone realizes this missing brick and tries to slot-in
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      • #4
        Scooters should be made to look like Formula One Cars... =]
        there would be more point riding them that way xD

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        • #5
          anyone remember bajaj rave, i think that scooter had the biggest wheels but it didn't crack. I think the concealed and space providing design of scooter restricts the size of big wheels also cost factor. I have seen kinetic blaze its a huge 165cc scooter but wheels are tiny, do not know hows the suspension.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mindgrinder View Post
            anyone remember bajaj rave, i think that scooter had the biggest wheels but it didn't crack. I think the concealed and space providing design of scooter restricts the size of big wheels also cost factor. I have seen kinetic blaze its a huge 165cc scooter but wheels are tiny, do not know hows the suspension.
            Actually all foreign scoots have larger wheels and they have kind of mix of a bike and a scoot -- say it step-through. In India also we had Hero Honda Street which was a big flop. I had seen similar product from Honda in Argentina. In fact scoots out of India do have larger wheels and they may make sense, they are like bike with outlook of a scoot. That can give you best of the both world.
            Last edited by chauhan_saurabh; 03-12-2009, 08:36 AM.

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            • #7
              I am surprised that you even thought of a scooter after Karizma. I have rode my friends Kinetics and Activas. Never inspired confidence. Feels like it will fall when you try to turn it with a little extra slant/bend.

              I would suggest you stick to Karizma or any other comfortable bike. Gear shifting is a small price you pay for the safety and comfort bikes generally offer.
              Last edited by NitinGirish; 03-12-2009, 10:36 AM. Reason: Oversight
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              • #8
                Originally posted by chauhan_saurabh View Post
                Actually all foreign scoots have larger wheels and they have kind of mix of a bike and a scoot -- say it step-through. In India also we had Hero Honda Street which was a big flop. I had seen similar product from Honda in Argentina. In fact scoots out of India do have larger wheels and they may make sense, they are like bike with outlook of a scoot. That can give you best of the both world.
                yep look like moped to some extent, there was one by bajaj too it was 3 geared.

                @NitinGirish agree man riding a bike is more fun, scooters aren't that fun, and provides enough power to escape sticky situations.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by NitinGirish View Post
                  I am surprised that you even thought of a scooter after Karizma. I have rode my friends Kinetics and Activas. Never inspired confidence. Feels like it will fall when you try to turn it with a little extra slant/bend.

                  I would suggest you stick to Karizma or any other comfortable bike. Gear shifting is a small price you pay for the safety and comfort bikes generally offer.
                  I wish I could stick to Karizma. But as I said I had compelling reasons to sell this bike. I am not even comparing Karizma with a scooter. But since I am using a scooter I felt that small wheels are a concern area. I wanted to have views of the other XBHPans whether they think in the same line or not. This is a strong forum. May be... just may be strong public opinion will force a manufacturer to rethink.

                  Keep on pouring your views

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                  • #10
                    I think this is where Honda Street type of step throughs comes in picture, they are very easy to ride in heavy traffic as well as on bad roads. Specially the clutchless novelty by Honda was a great idea.

                    Scooters sells low in rural areas due to their small wheels but i've seen lots n lots of Streets in the rural areas. Infact its a great unisex vehicle and mileage we get from these small engined machines is just great.

                    It sometimes surprises me why this very practical machine is flopped in India??
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                    • #11
                      i wonder, if there was a scooter on sale, cost possibly 70k, with all the goodies said above (ofcouse bigger better tyres! :P).
                      how many of you would actually buy the scooter and how many would go for rtr/pulsar, etc?

                      scooters... as in lml vespa/bajaj chetak were made and used by men.
                      but the scooterettes are more centric on the better sex (ahem! ). this machines requirement is to be light, decent power, good mileage, nimble in city traffic, etc.
                      and the ones which are made now are exactly so!

                      unless there is a good enough ratio of men who are willing to buy scooterettes over bikes, which would possibly also cost as much as a bike, but would have all the specs as mentioned above, there is no point in getting such a machine out!

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                      • #12


                        Men do ride scooters and yes they ride the current variomatic breed. Adding larger wheels may spark additional interest in larger male population who were considering buying 100CC commuter bikes.

                        As said by other members I agree Hero Honda Street was a fantastic machine. Why it failed remains a mystery to me too. Times have since changed. I think right marketing campaign and consumer awareness is needed to boost sales for such machines. These machines can not be treated and sold as 'just another bike'. May be that's a mistake Hero Honda made.

                        Also I wonder was there any marketing study on why step thru's are such a rage all over South East Asia?

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                        • #13
                          And while I was pondering on the subject I suddenly realised that no Indian automobile magazine has ever done a good write up on bikes and scooters which are sold in South East Asia. These are lower capacity engines and models are more relevant for India. While all mags discuss Jap and Italian superbikes markets closure home has always been neglected. I am sure there are some good big wheeled low capacity scooters available in those markets which can be replicated in India.

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                          • #14
                            ^^^
                            At least I saw some really good ones in Latin America specifically in Argentina.

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