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    While researching about the past of electric motorcycles, it came as a surprise to me that at the turn of last century there were a comparable number of electric cars. Then came along Ford Model T, the innovation of an assembly line, the dropping of prices are some of the reasons that ice technology took off while EV struggled with range and charging problems. ice technology reached mass popularity and sounded the death knell of ev.


    Intellectually, an ev is so much better than a ice. It is much cheaper to run per kilometre because electricity is cheaper to produce and distribute today, because an electric motor is much more efficient than a ice (talk about efficiency of ev) and because electric vehicles are a lower maintenance cost (talk about batteries). This makes this technology so interesting for consumers and businesses alike, I'm specially enthused about it in a price sensitive market like India.


    The other big thing about ev is that it is faster than the ice. This owes to the fact that the electric motor has maximum torque at zero RPM. This means that you need less technology to produce an ev which accelerates from 0-100 under 3 secs than ice. All speed buffs, including racing teams and enthusiasts need to be on lookout.
    The real problem with an ev has been battery technology which troubles the consumer in two ways - range and recharging time. Latest generation battery chemistry using Li ion and advanced capacitors are improving and at some point will be good enough to have energy mini Wells which can store enough energy to run an ev for 500 km on one charge and can be charged in a few minutes if not seconds while being practically light enough to be put on a vehicle as light as a motorcycle. In the meantime, use cases bound by a limited small range is going to be good testing ground for this technology. Battery swapping solutions can solve the charging time problem.


    However, the real big benefit of ev to society at large is lower CO2 emissions. About three fourths of co2 emissions in developed countries cities is related to automotive emissions. (In India this is about 40%). CO2 emissions causes global warming which is probably one of the biggest concerns of enlightened leaders across the world. No wonder governments across the world are providing all kinds of incentives to promote this technology. Conspiracy theorists say that governments around the world are too tired of problem in the middle east, even if it's true it helps a bigger purpose. Naysayers point out that the electricity used in ev technology is still produced in coal fired power plants, and that it only shifts the pollutants from our cities to elsewhere. However this analysis of well to wheels shows how... Nonetheless, the true potential of ev is that it can be plugged to a renewable energy grid and that would be totally clean automotive. And that to me is not unreal or distant. Someday when that happens all of us would feel how stupid we were for using ice, it's almost like few years ago there were debates in courts about harm done by cigarettes - of course cigarettes kill.

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      What you have written is all true. The important point is not there's less will for EV but it's currently at a stage where its still not as efficient in quite many ways which is not causing a critical mass to tilt and cause a shift.

      The primary reason is time to get back on the road once the energy drains. That is the biggest barrier currently, once this is solved the shift will happen.
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        Re: Why electric is the future of motoring ... any comments ??

        Quite simply; its the energy conversion efficiency which makes electric motors the way forward in future.

        Even after over 100 years of development, the Internal Combustion engine has a efficiency of 15% to 18%, whereas a electric motor has a efficiency of 70% to 90%.

        The problem or the main hurdle for mass adaptation of electric motors is energy storage. Once that is solved, the internal combustion engine will be given a quite burial.
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          Re: Why electric is the future of motoring ... any comments ??

          Originally posted by Nishant Ranjan View Post
          While researching about the past of electric motorcycles, it came as a surprise to me that at the turn of last century there were a comparable number of electric cars. Then came along Ford Model T, the innovation of an assembly line, the dropping of prices are some of the reasons that ice technology took off while EV struggled with range and charging problems. ice technology reached mass popularity and sounded the death knell of ev.


          Intellectually, an ev is so much better than a ice. It is much cheaper to run per kilometre because electricity is cheaper to produce and distribute today, because an electric motor is much more efficient than a ice (talk about efficiency of ev) and because electric vehicles are a lower maintenance cost (talk about batteries). This makes this technology so interesting for consumers and businesses alike, I'm specially enthused about it in a price sensitive market like India.


          The other big thing about ev is that it is faster than the ice. This owes to the fact that the electric motor has maximum torque at zero RPM. This means that you need less technology to produce an ev which accelerates from 0-100 under 3 secs than ice. All speed buffs, including racing teams and enthusiasts need to be on lookout.
          The real problem with an ev has been battery technology which troubles the consumer in two ways - range and recharging time. Latest generation battery chemistry using Li ion and advanced capacitors are improving and at some point will be good enough to have energy mini Wells which can store enough energy to run an ev for 500 km on one charge and can be charged in a few minutes if not seconds while being practically light enough to be put on a vehicle as light as a motorcycle. In the meantime, use cases bound by a limited small range is going to be good testing ground for this technology. Battery swapping solutions can solve the charging time problem.


          However, the real big benefit of ev to society at large is lower CO2 emissions. About three fourths of co2 emissions in developed countries cities is related to automotive emissions. (In India this is about 40%). CO2 emissions causes global warming which is probably one of the biggest concerns of enlightened leaders across the world. No wonder governments across the world are providing all kinds of incentives to promote this technology. Conspiracy theorists say that governments around the world are too tired of problem in the middle east, even if it's true it helps a bigger purpose. Naysayers point out that the electricity used in ev technology is still produced in coal fired power plants, and that it only shifts the pollutants from our cities to elsewhere. However this analysis of well to wheels shows how... Nonetheless, the true potential of ev is that it can be plugged to a renewable energy grid and that would be totally clean automotive. And that to me is not unreal or distant. Someday when that happens all of us would feel how stupid we were for using ice, it's almost like few years ago there were debates in courts about harm done by cigarettes - of course cigarettes kill.
          I agree with whatever you have said.

          ICE vehicles are not efficient, but they have been getting the work done so far, for the manufacturer as well as the consumer.

          EV are the way to go for the future. That being said, At the current stage, EVs are not 100% environment friendly.

          When we see an ICE vehicle, the impact to the environment is direct. Its emissions. And given the large no. of them on road, old and new, the output in form of emissions, is substantially huge.

          But the Impact of EV at current stage is not too less either. A battery is one of the main components of an EV. At present our battery disposal technology is pretty poor, inefficient and harmful to environment. At this stage imagine if all vehicles were EV, then we would have been sitting on a pile of waste batteries oozing their chemicals into the ground.

          An EV is only AS CLEAN AS THE POWER SOURCE of the country it runs in.

          In a country where most part of power is produced thermally by coal or similar means (even nuclear power is not the best available source now a days) then an army of EVs charging on this power, is again an extension of carbon foot print and a hike in emissions.

          In a country where power is produced by Renewable Source of Power such as Wind, Tidal, Solar, Etc; an EV would be the actual Boon and would help Eliminate (not just reduce) carbon foot print and emissions.

          EVs are definitely the future. They envision EVs (when fully capable and efficient) that generate their own power in a clean manner, and can also give back power to the house or grid if/when required.

          That would still take some time to materialize though!.

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            Re: Why electric is the future of motoring ... any comments ??

            Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post
            Quite simply; its the energy conversion efficiency which makes electric motors the way forward in future.

            Even after over 100 years of development, the Internal Combustion engine has a efficiency of 15% to 18%, whereas a electric motor has a efficiency of 70% to 90%.

            I thought the efficiency lies somewhere near 40% (petrol).
            Are you talking about the efficiency in terms of actual forward momentum




            On reading this GBD the first response that came to my mind was that news about the water driven car/bike ages ago.
            But then i realized that it had something to do with electrolysis which itself needs electricity so i guess we are back to the same square with efficiency and energy conversion.


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              Re: Why electric is the future of motoring ... any comments ??

              By efficiency I mean 'energy provided/ work produced' percentages. In a IC engine the energy is provided in chemical form (gasoline) which in turn is converted into thermal energy which in turn is converted to kinetic energy. An Atkinson cycle engine like the one in Toyota Prius (considered by many as the most advanced gasoline engine till date) will give you a theoretical thermal efficiency of 25% to 30% maximum. However, in the real world on road it will translate to about 20%. A typical modern day petrol engine which does not have fancy tools like direct injection, variable valve timing, etc, will give you in the range of 15% to 18%.

              Do not go by peak efficiencies figures. In real world you drive with varying loads and conditions. At highway speeds it can be around 25% and at idle it will 0% efficient. Therefore, the average efficiency comes to 15% to 18%.

              By the same yardstick a typical electric motor will have 'energy provided/ work produced' percentages that range from 70% to 90% (many claim 99.9%, but thats nonsense). 70% being a decent electric motor whereas 90% being exotic "premium efficiency" motors which have low friction bearings, high quality stampings, ultra high quality copper for winding.


              Originally posted by dnewguy View Post
              I thought the efficiency lies somewhere near 40% (petrol).
              Are you talking about the efficiency in terms of actual forward momentum




              On reading this GBD the first response that came to my mind was that news about the water driven car/bike ages ago.
              But then i realized that it had something to do with electrolysis which itself needs electricity so i guess we are back to the same square with efficiency and energy conversion.


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