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**chakresh** · 07-23-2017, 07:42 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by arya809 View Post

I am sorry guys, I don't mean to criticize your choice.

But I feel that FZ25 is just a beefed up FZ16, most of the components are the same. My cousin has a FZ16 for the past 7 years, I have ridden it a lot (unfortunately). Now he has upgraded to this FZ25, I had too much expectations from Yamaha, especially HANDLING & BRAKING. But Yamaha seems to have used the same FZ16 chassis, forks, swing-arm etc in the FZ25. It also handles the same, maybe a little more stable. I mean the FZ16 already had great handling, I expected way more than that in FZ25.

Don't quote me on the "same components" part. I know there are minor differences in the length, height and wheelbase figures, but in real world it doesn't result in a big change. Forks and fork travel is the exact same. Braking is similar to fz16, mushy, spongy, but powerful.

Power and torque is admirable though. There is a huge difference in engine response and low-end torque, still quite underpowered for a 250cc yamaha motorcycle, they could have derived 24 bhp easily. And apart from that, I don't feel any changes at all. It looks good on paper, but after driving I felt like it's WAY OVERPRICED. Yamaha should have priced it around 100000 ex-showroom.

These are my personal views, I don't hate yamaha at all. I just expect them to make better motorcycles in competition to Duke, cbr250r etc.

And who the hell DARES to compare this FZ25 with KTM duke 250??? The xbhp review is totally flawed in comparing it to the duke, I don't think there is anything in India that can compete with the dukes. Alas I am too tall for the KTM's, hence I can't buy one. But whenever I ride one of those (friend's) I am in total awe by the handling, braking and power delivery, sadly I get uncomfortable quickly. If KTM made a motorcycle for taller guys like me, I would buy it within seconds of launch!

Don't just go with the looks man...For example the fork size seems same to you but the springs inside are different ,their load carrying capacity is much better and for your comment that nothing can be compared to Duke...Only one word ...lolwa

**arya809** · 07-23-2017, 08:04 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by chakresh View Post

Don't just go with the looks man...For example the fork size seems same to you but the springs inside are different ,their load carrying capacity is much better and for your comment that nothing can be compared to Duke...Only one word ...lolwa

Really? Lolwa? what the hell does it even mean, just plain old lol was enough. I can understand you are a butthurt yamaha owner, that doesn't mean you can reply with lolwa without any explanation of your own. And if you read correctly, I have already admired yamaha enough, I just don't expect them to charge so much for such simple technologies. You do know that the fuel injection system in all yamaha motorcycles is just an open-loop FI, again nothing extra ordinary.

BTW you think other motorcycles can match the handling, agility, steering response, braking, power to weight ratio of KTM's? Name any one, obviously in their respective cc category, don't reply with yamaha YZR-M1 and such.

**chakresh** · 07-23-2017, 08:18 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by arya809 View Post

Really? Lolwa? what the hell does it even mean, just plain old lol was enough. I can understand you are a butthurt yamaha owner, that doesn't mean you can reply with lolwa without any explanation of your own. And if you read correctly, I have already admired yamaha enough, I just don't expect them to charge so much for such simple technologies. You do know that the fuel injection system in all yamaha motorcycles is just an open-loop FI, again nothing extra ordinary.

BTW you think other motorcycles can match the handling, agility, steering response, braking, power to weight ratio of KTM's? Name any one, obviously in their respective cc category, don't reply with yamaha YZR-M1 and such.

April to june 2017 ..Duke 250 sold something around 2400 units and fz25 sold 7500 units ..[emoji6] [emoji6]

**arya809** · 07-23-2017, 08:24 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by chakresh View Post

April to june 2017 ..Duke 250 sold something around 2400 units and fz25 sold 7500 units ..[emoji6] [emoji6]

Wow, I apologize deeply. You are so knowledgeable that upon asking about handling, power to weight, braking etc, you reply with sales figures! I can't argue with that logic, but by that logic SPLENDOUR is the world's best motorcycle, isn't it?

Just let it go man, enjoy your FZ, I never said that yamaha FZ is crap, I was just pointing out that Yamaha can do so much better.

**chakresh** · 07-23-2017, 08:28 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by arya809 View Post

Wow, I apologize deeply. You are so knowledgeable that upon asking about handling, power to weight, braking etc, you reply with sales figures! I can't argue with that logic, but by that logic SPLENDOUR is the world's best motorcycle, isn't it?

Just let it go man, enjoy your FZ, I never said that yamaha FZ is crap, I was just pointing out that Yamaha can do so much better.

With that handling and so called power to weight ratio ...It costs 50000 more rupees... Fz25 has led headlamps, lean angle sensor, console with some good information, a good practical mileage. Good that you know splendor also

**vsbharani** · 07-23-2017, 08:50 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by arya809 View Post

Wow, I apologize deeply. You are so knowledgeable that upon asking about handling, power to weight, braking etc, you reply with sales figures! I can't argue with that logic, but by that logic SPLENDOUR is the world's best motorcycle, isn't it?

Just let it go man, enjoy your FZ, I never said that yamaha FZ is crap, I was just pointing out that Yamaha can do so much better.

I agree with you.. Both are made for diff purpose so is their make.. Because of cc numbers alone we should not compare with all other details..

Every bike has some plus and some minus..

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**VaibhavPisal** · 07-23-2017, 10:14 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by chakresh View Post

April to june 2017 ..Duke 250 sold something around 2400 units and fz25 sold 7500 units ..[emoji6] [emoji6]

fz is 11 k plus

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Originally posted by arya809 View Post

I am sorry guys, I don't mean to criticize your choice.

But I feel that FZ25 is just a beefed up FZ16, most of the components are the same. My cousin has a FZ16 for the past 7 years, I have ridden it a lot (unfortunately). Now he has upgraded to this FZ25, I had too much expectations from Yamaha, especially HANDLING & BRAKING. But Yamaha seems to have used the same FZ16 chassis, forks, swing-arm etc in the FZ25. It also handles the same, maybe a little more stable. I mean the FZ16 already had great handling, I expected way more than that in FZ25.

Don't quote me on the "same components" part. I know there are minor differences in the length, height and wheelbase figures, but in real world it doesn't result in a big change. Forks and fork travel is the exact same. Braking is similar to fz16, mushy, spongy, but powerful.

Power and torque is admirable though. There is a huge difference in engine response and low-end torque, still quite underpowered for a 250cc yamaha motorcycle, they could have derived 24 bhp easily. And apart from that, I don't feel any changes at all. It looks good on paper, but after driving I felt like it's WAY OVERPRICED. Yamaha should have priced it around 100000 ex-showroom.

These are my personal views, I don't hate yamaha at all. I just expect them to make better motorcycles in competition to Duke, cbr250r etc.

And who the hell DARES to compare this FZ25 with KTM duke 250??? The xbhp review is totally flawed in comparing it to the duke, I don't think there is anything in India that can compete with the dukes. Alas I am too tall for the KTM's, hence I can't buy one. But whenever I ride one of those (friend's) I am in total awe by the handling, braking and power delivery, sadly I get uncomfortable quickly. If KTM made a motorcycle for taller guys like me, I would buy it within seconds of launch!

lol. whats happening on this thread. i hope mods dont come into action.

2017 ktm range is one of tallest bikes around. they really cant do much more than that for taller riders. i find it more comfy than fz.

coming to fz25 the reason why ppl compare it to duke 250 despite its 30 bhp figure cause both take same time to reach 0-100 and same top speed. how did this happen? i dont know. yamaha is known to pull off stupid shit. they perhaps know. 20 or 30 bhp mean nothing if bike does not accelerate on road.

as for handling of fz25 can you define its limits? have you taken it to its limits. if not then how can you say its not an able handler?

compared to fz16, fz16 has a flatter rear tire and is basically upright bike. you handle it by dragging and sliding rear wheel. its a truer street fighter.

fz25 has rounder rear tire. it tips eagerly. am yet to ride it more to understand its true character. one thing i can say is fz25 gives you opportunity to explore the handling a lot more. maybe not at level as r15 but lot more than fz16. you will be engaged for a lot longer. fz16 you will basically max out in around a week or so.

**leech** · 07-24-2017, 02:42 AM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

arya809 - nothing in India can compare to KTMs? Quite a tall statement. FZ25 and Duke 250 have the same 0-100 timing, as others have mentioned. Where do you think the extra 10 bhp went?

In handling, though, I'll take your word for it. The FZ25 is around 50K cheaper than the duke 250 and thus, it shows in the components list.

The Dukes 200,250 and 390 share many components with each other, it's common among all manufacturers, not just Yamaha.

**arya809** · 08-02-2017, 02:40 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by leech View Post

arya809 - nothing in India can compare to KTMs? Quite a tall statement. FZ25 and Duke 250 have the same 0-100 timing, as others have mentioned. Where do you think the extra 10 bhp went?

In handling, though, I'll take your word for it. The FZ25 is around 50K cheaper than the duke 250 and thus, it shows in the components list.

The Dukes 200,250 and 390 share many components with each other, it's common among all manufacturers, not just Yamaha.

Ok, I was genuinely shocked by those 0-100 video of fz25 and duke 250. Then I came across this page:

Yamaha FZ250 faster than a KTM Duke 250, but is it really? We explain!

http://www.cartoq.com/yamaha-fz250-faster-ktm-duke-250-india-motorcycles/

V-BOX tests of both the bikes has revealed that the less powerful Yamaha FZ25is faster than the KTM Duke 250. But is it, really? If so, how and why? We explain!

This clearly explains the difference. A 100 kg hippo is riding the duke 250, compared to the 60 kg rider of FZ25, this was the biggest difference. Other factors like air and altitude also matter a lot. That is totally unscientific, illiterate way of testing. In real scientific terms, same rider rides both motorcycles on the same track, same time of day, for a n number of times, then the times are averaged. It is immature to believe figures of a single, biased test video. Ride the machines on a daily basis, simultaneously, then you will come to know the clear difference in yamaha and KTM.

Some guy asked me whether I took the FZ25 to its limits, yes I do take motorcycles to the (handling) limits on routine basis on a ghat section nearby. Initially I wanted to convince myself that this is it, the FZ25 is the perfect handling machine. But it wasn't as confidence inspiring on sharp leans, as the KTM's. I try to lean-in max, with knee pads scraping. I couldn't find a huge improvement in the handling characteristic of FZ25 over the fz16, only a little bit more.

And to all those who say that FZ is a commuter and a better value for money, I never said otherwise.
When I compare MOTORCYCLES, I compare them based on the basic motorcycle features like handling and braking, not looks, straight line acceleration and mileage. I hate straight line dragsters, useless to lean-in kind of motorcycles (read enfield!).

Hence, I am pointing out that a KTM will always be a better motorcycle (not a commuter) than any other motorcycle in India. And I don't wanna bring PRICE/VALUE into the equation, because from economic point of view, we shouldn't buy any performance oriented motorcycles ever, just the commuters.

**enabeelahmed7** · 08-02-2017, 04:00 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by arya809 View Post

Ok, I was genuinely shocked by those 0-100 video of fz25 and duke 250. Then I came across this page:

Yamaha FZ250 faster than a KTM Duke 250, but is it really? We explain!

http://www.cartoq.com/yamaha-fz250-faster-ktm-duke-250-india-motorcycles/

V-BOX tests of both the bikes has revealed that the less powerful Yamaha FZ25is faster than the KTM Duke 250. But is it, really? If so, how and why? We explain!

This clearly explains the difference. A 100 kg hippo is riding the duke 250, compared to the 60 kg rider of FZ25, this was the biggest difference. Other factors like air and altitude also matter a lot. That is totally unscientific, illiterate way of testing. In real scientific terms, same rider rides both motorcycles on the same track, same time of day, for a n number of times, then the times are averaged. It is immature to believe figures of a single, biased test video. Ride the machines on a daily basis, simultaneously, then you will come to know the clear difference in yamaha and KTM.

Some guy asked me whether I took the FZ25 to its limits, yes I do take motorcycles to the (handling) limits on routine basis on a ghat section nearby. Initially I wanted to convince myself that this is it, the FZ25 is the perfect handling machine. But it wasn't as confidence inspiring on sharp leans, as the KTM's. I try to lean-in max, with knee pads scraping. I couldn't find a huge improvement in the handling characteristic of FZ25 over the fz16, only a little bit more.

And to all those who say that FZ is a commuter and a better value for money, I never said otherwise.
When I compare MOTORCYCLES, I compare them based on the basic motorcycle features like handling and braking, not looks, straight line acceleration and mileage. I hate straight line dragsters, useless to lean-in kind of motorcycles (read enfield!).

Hence, I am pointing out that a KTM will always be a better motorcycle (not a commuter) than any other motorcycle in India. And I don't wanna bring PRICE/VALUE into the equation, because from economic point of view, we shouldn't buy any performance oriented motorcycles ever, just the commuters.

He doesn't look like a hippo though..

Also the article says "IF" Not to the reality.

So we need to think again. What I feel is

1. Rider's skill level
2. Transmission loss through gear, clutch and drive chain might be less in Yamaha than KTM.

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**VaibhavPisal** · 08-02-2017, 10:57 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by arya809 View Post

Ok, I was genuinely shocked by those 0-100 video of fz25 and duke 250. Then I came across this page:

Yamaha FZ250 faster than KTM Duke 250 India road test bikes

This clearly explains the difference. A 100 kg hippo is riding the duke 250, compared to the 60 kg rider of FZ25, this was the biggest difference. Other factors like air and altitude also matter a lot. That is totally unscientific, illiterate way of testing. In real scientific terms, same rider rides both motorcycles on the same track, same time of day, for a n number of times, then the times are averaged. It is immature to believe figures of a single, biased test video. Ride the machines on a daily basis, simultaneously, then you will come to know the clear difference in yamaha and KTM.

Some guy asked me whether I took the FZ25 to its limits, yes I do take motorcycles to the (handling) limits on routine basis on a ghat section nearby. Initially I wanted to convince myself that this is it, the FZ25 is the perfect handling machine. But it wasn't as confidence inspiring on sharp leans, as the KTM's. I try to lean-in max, with knee pads scraping. I couldn't find a huge improvement in the handling characteristic of FZ25 over the fz16, only a little bit more.

And to all those who say that FZ is a commuter and a better value for money, I never said otherwise.
When I compare MOTORCYCLES, I compare them based on the basic motorcycle features like handling and braking, not looks, straight line acceleration and mileage. I hate straight line dragsters, useless to lean-in kind of motorcycles (read enfield!).

Hence, I am pointing out that a KTM will always be a better motorcycle (not a commuter) than any other motorcycle in India. And I don't wanna bring PRICE/VALUE into the equation, because from economic point of view, we shouldn't buy any performance oriented motorcycles ever, just the commuters.

I agree with you on some level. Duke is supposed to be expensive cause its a performance machine.

However ktm did missed out badly in giving duke range that edge it needed to make me take out the wallet.

Duke 250 while being a close to perfect machine is based on 390 engine. So it tends to overheat and give electrical problems, stuff 390 is notorious for. It tends to shut down if you pull in clutch abruptly. None of these issues are present on other 250s. These are acceptable on 390 cause its more of a entry level superbike.

Fz25 isnt as good handler as duke 250 but it weights good 13 kgs less. What kind of performance machine weighs more than a commuter?

Also i feel there is big difference in handling of fz16 and 25. Its really hard to lean on 16 where as you can lean in a pinch on 250.

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I personally would take old 390 over new duke range any day.

**MidnightEvil Parth** · 08-03-2017, 08:36 AM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by VaibhavPisal View Post

I agree with you on some level. Duke is supposed to be expensive cause its a performance machine.

However ktm did missed out badly in giving duke range that edge it needed to make me take out the wallet.

Duke 250 while being a close to perfect machine is based on 390 engine. So it tends to overheat and give electrical problems, stuff 390 is notorious for. It tends to shut down if you pull in clutch abruptly. None of these issues are present on other 250s. These are acceptable on 390 cause its more of a entry level superbike.

Fz25 isnt as good handler as duke 250 but it weights good 13 kgs less. What kind of performance machine weighs more than a commuter?

Also i feel there is big difference in handling of fz16 and 25. Its really hard to lean on 16 where as you can lean in a pinch on 250.

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I personally would take old 390 over new duke range any day.

Heating ? Electrical issues ? What are you talking ? Duke can be ridden all day in b2b without any heating, the 2017 ones. Also, Duke is more of a performance bike, tends to heat more, it has a sharply tuned engine rather than the detuned engine on fz25. Every component used is far more costlier than fz25 and 50k extra is justified. Let's not start flaming here. Stay on fz25.

**Gkn** · 08-03-2017, 10:07 AM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by MidnightEvil Parth View Post

Heating ? Electrical issues ? What are you talking ? Duke can be ridden all day in b2b without any heating, the 2017 ones. Also, Duke is more of a performance bike, tends to heat more, it has a sharply tuned engine rather than the detuned engine on fz25. Every component used is far more costlier than fz25 and 50k extra is justified. Let's not start flaming here. Stay on fz25.

Hm..but heating issue is still thr.. Ya i have felt on duke 250 also. On heavy traffic situation no matter wat you do it will over heat and the sound from radiator fan wen it was on is quit louder and i can hear it even louder than wat the engine can produce.. I think Compared to dukes fz25 is the most practical here.. On city no denying fz beats the duke twins

**VaibhavPisal** · 08-03-2017, 10:34 AM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by MidnightEvil Parth View Post

Heating ? Electrical issues ? What are you talking ? Duke can be ridden all day in b2b without any heating, the 2017 ones. Also, Duke is more of a performance bike, tends to heat more, it has a sharply tuned engine rather than the detuned engine on fz25. Every component used is far more costlier than fz25 and 50k extra is justified. Let's not start flaming here. Stay on fz25.

i am reiterating what i read on ownership thread. electrical issues maybe not as many but heating and stalling virtually every major review site has quoted.

i am ok with heating and fan remaining on but it shouldnt stall. some sites like powerdrift has stated it stalls a lot.

again i dont own the bike but have read it on forums. if one of my friends bought it first then i will have a better idea.

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