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Congrats for ur start!
Can you explain a bit about your project?
I meant Its functionality, working etc etc?

I guess you mean to generate oxygen + hydrogen for combustion? Or is it something else entirely?

thank you friends.....When we search the internet, we find a lot of stuffs related to hydroxy booster...most of them are scam...they say that it works well, but wen we think abt it practically, it wont work fine... So, we have decided to start from the bootom level....

We just started the project only......We are currently experimenting using 2 electrodes.It produces sufficeient hydrogen gas, but the electrodes are becoming hot.We have to experiment with more electrode....

no motocycle engine in the world is 100% efficient...not even 50% ...The bike engines are only 25-40% fuel efficient, ie, we get only 25 % of the fuel that is burnt inside the engine. It may be because the oxygen doesnot enter the burning chamber.So, to bhurn atleast 60-70 % of fuel, we need to inject more oxygen or some other gas.... Further oxygen is not available because of the limitations with the intake...We can solve this by adding a new filter.....but if we inject hydrogen, which is highly flammable gas, more petrol can be burnt and thereby ,more mileage and more power delivered to you......

What hydrogen booster does is a simple task...it generates hydrogen or hydroxy gas from water.....

Have you calculated the power requirement of the generator? And what is the rate of generation?

Is it feasible theoretically?

the voltage needed to split water is nearly 1.4-1.5 volt dc....The condition now is like it is generating very less amount of hydrogen, as the electrolyte is poor, and we have only two electrodes, one is positive and other is negative...The electrolyte we use now is distilled water...I ahve to change it to some naoh or koh to give pretty good output, and also, there shud be more electrodes or neutral plates for more hydrogen generation...

What about the current consumption for generating at a usable rate? Can the bike suppy that much power?

See this months Bike India, something about NOS, a full column is there.
I dont know weather the two are same, the NOS & the thing you are talking about, but maybe it can help.

@Ken da, roshanvallappillil: Am thinking of fitting NOS in my ZMA from the same guy mentioned in Bike India, but I am a lil hesitant. I Want to know that if I fall, will it blast blast or something? maybe sounds stupid, but can anyone plz answer me? Is that gas in NOS, flammable?

Huh?!? You're claiming an internal combustion engine does not burn all the fuel that enters the cylinder?

Chemistry 101:
Air has about 20% oxygen, this is what we breathe and this also what lets you burn petrol. Now, if you add an amount of petrol to air and ignite it, it will burn. The amount of petrol you add determines what you will be left with. If you put too much petrol you will end up with no oxygen, some carbon monoxide and, depending on how much excess petrol there was, some or a lot of unburned hydrocarbons. Go the other way around and you'll have carbon dioxide, nitrous oxides and leftover oxygen.

Now with that out of the way, it turns out the ideal amount of petrol is about 1 part in 14.7. With that amount of petrol there's just enough oxygen to burn all the hydrocarbons from the petrol. That's what the carburetor or FI system is for, it introduces just enough petrol for the amount of air that enters the cylinder. Thus when these things are tuned properly, you will never have too much or too less petrol in the cylinder.

The efficiency figure you are quoting isn't because of not burning fuel, it's because of heat loss, mechanical friction, pumping losses etc. There is a limitation on how much work you can extract from a heat engine. See also: Thermodynamic cycle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So lets examine the hydrogen theory, you're adding a mixture of oxygen and hydrogen. This mixture is generated by passing electricity through acidified water. This generates a mixture of 2 parts hydrogen and 1 part oxygen. (Water = H2O) Now what happens when you burn this? It simply recombines to water. There's no extra oxygen to burn petrol with, since you added it as the most ideal proportions of O2 and H2 already. So no gain there. It may burn a little hotter, but that doesn't help with getting a higher efficiency. On top of that you spent more energy generating this H2 and O2, then what it will release when burned. Electrolysis is much less than 100% efficient.

Adding it all up:
* The fact is that a thermodynamic engine has a limited efficiency. Even when all the fuel burns.
* Ideal air/petrol mixture is approx.14.7:1
* 99%+ of all the fuel is burned in a properly tuned engine.
* Adding a hydrogen/oxygen mixture does not raise the amount of available oxygen for burning petrol.
* Even if there was more oxygen. You would have to add more petrol to use it. And thus get less mileage.
* Your oxygen/hydrogen mixture is generated by using electricity from the engine alternator.
* This means whatever energy required to generate hydrogen and oxygen was first extracted from petrol to begin with.
* Running one inefficient process with energy from another inefficient process does not make the sum of the processes more efficient.

hmm, Impressive facts.

though I am not a techie but this still makes sense to me, I agree with Andante on this, but am not simply ruling out the other possibilities.

I would be glad to see a more efficient engine, a cleaner Engine.... a powerful engine.... Keep up the spirits.

I'm not out to stop people from trying innovative things. However, lots of people have gone down this path and not gotten any improvements.

My guess is that better results can be gotten by careful modification of the engine itself. Like a less restrictive exhaust and air filter. This obviously would mean rejetting the carb, which causes decreased mileage. However with a lot of care it should be possible to increase mileage a bit, since there would be less pumping losses in the intake and exhaust stroke. This would be very hard to accomplish.

There's other ways too, but none have to do with adding anything to what the engine breathes. It's things like thinner tyres with higher pressure, reducing rolling resistance. Of course the other side of the story would be less grip and thus less stopping power.

Anyway, good luck to anyone who does undertake something like this and don't forget to post the results here. (If possible with data from multiple runs with and without any devices.)

The bikes having self start is equipped with a batter around 12volts, 7 Ah or 12 volt,9 AH......here Ah refers to ampere hour....& mapere is pretty good, and as the temperature inside the booster increase, ampere also increases.....but we have to limit the temperature generated.......To reduce temperature generation, the number of neutral plates should be increased.

I dont know much about NOs...I think, our bike will be fitted witha cylinder filled with nitrous oxide, which is also a booster.but some people say that engines cant withstand such high heat generated, and the power will be so high that can't be handled by the bikes made in India...I don't know whether it is right....

Hydrogen is a highly explosive gas.It is this power that is used to improve mileage and power. That is why,I said we have to experiment a lot to use it in our bikes....But, ther is an advantage, that, the problem with hydrogen, i mean, the explosions, will only occur, when hydrogen is stored. But, in my project, we are not storing hydrogen...hydrogen is generated only when the bike is RUNNING ....We are not providing the supply from battery, but instead from the alternator....

I don't know much about NOS gas. Why do you have to fit an NOS in Karizma...The bike is superb with lots of power....

@roshanvallappillil

What are your thoughts based on what I have written. Looking forward to get some feedback from you.