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  • #31
    Originally posted by Old Fox View Post
    In the purest sense of words, you are perfectly right. The ambiguity exists as I have used just words to explain a concept that begs for a diagram. With a figure, one can point arrows for different forces and their resultants. Pure words have their limitations. Centrifugal force is the virtual opposite of centripetal force. And centrifugal force will not make the stone escape on a tangent when the string breaks. It will be the stone's inertia produced by its mass and its 'linear' velocity (as you've rightly stated). Getting all these subtleties into the text would ahve made it all the more confusing and so I took the visualization-inspired short-cut by saying that the 'centrifugal force tends to make the stone go on a tangent' because thats what it 'looks' like.

    And you're spot on about Tony Foale. I have the book and few could be so detailed and lucid on the subject. The Ner-a-Car and his experiments with Trail and Rake on the BMW R75/5 are a case in point. There's this useful link that has a lot of his papers and articles.

    Tony Foale Designs, numerous articles of motorcycle chassis design.

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    Thank you for the clarification. All these virtual forces etc. are a good recipe for a not-so-virtual headache, when it comes to understanding and correlating them..

    I just fell in love with Tony Foale's book, reminds me of my intermediate when I was preparing for entrances, physics was actually my outlet for frustration..

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    • #32
      One Question related to the above:
      (Might be Stupid)
      What comes as a Basic Difference so as to get a Good lean on a Soft Compound Tyre.?

      Originally posted by TnT View Post
      Thank you for the clarification. All these virtual forces etc. are a good recipe for a not-so-virtual headache, when it comes to understanding and correlating them..
      Very True, My Head is Spinning after reading all that,to add to it..
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      • #33
        what rubbish.. i can prove this whole theory wrong..lol : P
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        • #34
          when in RIGHT SPEED & RIGHT POSE, you never fall (unless there is gravel/oil slick/ sand/etc.), atleast try not to...

          Wrong Speed + Wrong Pose = Good Wide Fall...

          So be in total control of your actions/emotions & you dont ever have to ask this question, "Why bikes dont fall while cornering?"
          Last edited by spiderweb; 12-16-2009, 01:27 PM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by spiderweb View Post
            when in RIGHT SPEED & RIGHT POSE, you never fall (unless there is gravel/oil slick/ sand/etc.)
            Well, that's the reason why I am not confident about cornering fast into those turns where I cannot see clearly.

            As such, for Indian roads you should rephrase it as "When there no gravel/oil slick/sand/etc, at right speed and right pose you have a very less chance of a fall unless someone or some cattle rushes onto the road from the bushes or a vehicle is parked on the road after the turn or some stones laid there by a parked vehicle are left over" phew!!!

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            • #36
              Originally posted by HydBiker View Post
              Well, that's the reason why I am not confident about cornering fast into those turns where I cannot see clearly.

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              it would apply to all sane motorcyclists...

              Just the other day coming home at around11pm with knees out and cornering at well over 85kmph, saw a truck(parked) at the exit, luckily there was no oncoming vehicle else would have been a pulp...

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