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  • [Hard Torque]: Making the right choice!

    MAKING THE RIGHT CHOICE!
    Last edited by ken cool; 09-25-2008, 11:28 AM.
    The Wheel was a great invention; Two Wheels with a Motor in between was even better!


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      Ultimate piece of write-up there. Some very practical and very thought provoking statements...
      Absolutely agreed. 600cc is the segment to look out for if we want to keep that machine with us for long period of time. i am looking forward to Honda Hornet...
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      • #4
        Nice writeup pal! and nice job putting up meaningful thoughts and words in the writeup. Wow for CBF600F looks! And true, 600CC is the segment to look for. Now, if only they are here and their prices are sweet! My personal choice would be Yamaha Fazer FZ6 S2 !!

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        • #5
          For the information of all:
          The difference between the Fazer6 S2 and the Fazer6 is about 19Bhp and 12Nm of Torque, the S2 being more powerful. They even have identical compression ratios.
          The Wheel was a great invention; Two Wheels with a Motor in between was even better!


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          • #6
            so much of 'gyaan' ken da.... very nice thought....
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            • #7
              Originally posted by archistar View Post
              so much of 'gyaan' ken da.... very nice thought....
              If you read through it, you will realize that there is not much 'gyan' really. There are practical issues at stake, economic issues, factors that can and will decide motorcycling future in this country. The stakes are huge, there are big players who seem less tentative than in the not so distant past. The wheels have been set rolling. Obstacles, blocks and other teething problems will be there. But from here, there is only one place that we can look. And you know where it is. I just hope the manufacturers do not make mistakes that might needlessly hamper our movement in the direction that we are looking.

              The hard truth is, most of us wont EVER go to track. Hence most of us wont keep the R1 or the 1000RR or the Gixer for long. But a lot of us tour, will tour and keep touring. It may not be 3000kms a weekend tour. But even short nice rides along the beach, a quick ride to the ghats, a short stint of 200 kms is quite often on the cards. Maybe even 500 over the weekend. A good 600cc will help us get there more often and with more enjoyment and pleasure than what most of us have ever experienced thus far. It is simple. Really.
              The Wheel was a great invention; Two Wheels with a Motor in between was even better!


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              • #8
                600cc would work great in terms of city riding and occasional touring..which actually never stops..as we keep on riding to small distances, commuting to office/coll. or may be a long tour once in a 6 month.
                .......no doubt litre class is hot fav. but still... very less people are able to stretch them to its limit.
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                • #9
                  That was very sensible article Ken! U had ur point of focus all through the article!


                  The hard truth is, most of us wont EVER go to track. Hence most of us wont keep the R1 or the 1000RR or the Gixer for long. But a lot of us tour, will tour and keep touring. It may not be 3000kms a weekend tour. But even short nice rides along the beach, a quick ride to the ghats, a short stint of 200 kms is quite often on the cards. Maybe even 500 over the weekend.
                  you spoke my heart out! Most of us here look for a weekend blast to nearest tourist place, than too to the nearest race track ! So my point is, the tourers or the sports tourers should be emphasized more!
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by prabhubravo View Post
                    That was very sensible article Ken! U had ur point of focus all through the article!

                    you spoke my heart out! Most of us here look for a weekend blast to nearest tourist place, than too to the nearest race track ! So my point is, the tourers or the sports tourers should be emphasized more!
                    BINGO! Somebody got my point finally. Ouf!

                    And that too we are a bunch of bikers who take a while to understand our needs. Imagine those guys "up there" in the corridors of power and the other bunch of guys who form lobbies and arm-twist those in the corridors, imagine the time they take to realize things and effectuate them with their pea sized brains and Gargantuan egos and babudom methods!
                    The Wheel was a great invention; Two Wheels with a Motor in between was even better!


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                    • #11
                      ken da thanks for the article.. went thru it good point...

                      That's Absolutely correct..We wont even dare to go down the race track instead take up a short ride..
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                      Not now..but later,when i would be able to afford a superbike..everyone dreams to have a r1 or may be busa,i am not having a great ride ex on superkibes just a couple of 100 kilometer's..So in that case..i personlay think...
                      i would go for a R6 or a GSXR 600 that would be a better choice.. you know me in person also....
                      So what i think is that,you can throw some light on my kind of thinking and looking at the view....
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                      • #12
                        That was an excellent article ken da... surely informative and thought provoking !! i hope two years down the line, such an article can generate sales in 600 cc segment !! the segment with more practicality
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by kri$hna View Post
                          That was an excellent article ken da... surely informative and thought provoking !! i hope two years down the line, such an article can generate sales in 600 cc segment !! the segment with more practicality
                          Thanks for your comments. You see, the point of such an article is to generate the debate of practicality, usability, having a bike that is down to earth, fun to ride, fast and thus not boring ideas. The biking maturity is being created and influenced by the market, but also other VERY important factors like participation and contribution of mature BIKERS in sites like xBhp.com. It is also a well-known and now accepted fact that this site is regularly visited surreptitiously by most big players in the Indian market hopefully to good effect in the not so distant future. Let us see if things look up.
                          The Wheel was a great invention; Two Wheels with a Motor in between was even better!


                          BMW Motorrad Days 2011

                          Xbhp's Indo-French Kashmir-Ladakh Tour

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                          • #14
                            Nice, informative read but one thing which confuses me is this - On one hand this article talks about the 'practical' aspects of biking viz-a-viz how, say, a 600cc motorcycle is more practical than a 1000cc ever can be (barring a race track, probably). But I also wonder that on the other hand you own one of the most powerful and more importantly a 1000cc street legal motorcycle, this world has to offer.

                            You also say and i quote - "And I am definitely not downgrading from the R1." This has me confused; if given a chance would you have preferred a 600cc over the R1 or will it be a litre class bike that you would always like to ride?

                            Thanks.
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                              Originally posted by Aryan View Post
                              Nice, informative read but one thing which confuses me is this - On one hand this article talks about the 'practical' aspects of biking viz-a-viz how, say, a 600cc motorcycle is more practical than a 1000cc ever can be (barring a race track, probably). But I also wonder that on the other hand you own one of the most powerful and more importantly a 1000cc street legal motorcycle, this world has to offer.

                              You also say and i quote - "And I am definitely not downgrading from the R1." This has me confused; if given a chance would you have preferred a 600cc over the R1 or will it be a litre class bike that you would always like to ride?

                              Thanks.
                              Glad to see an important point raised by a member way senior to me (from the days of Bajaj Pulsar). I am surprised why no one raised this point before.

                              There are various aspects to this.

                              When I first went for buying the ride, I was sold on the 1000CC notably the R1. Now I see that I have done 25000 kms on these machines. In the meanwhile, I also had the opportunity to test and ride over relatively long distances (maybe the ride report will come some day) on lower cc V-twins, and inline twins and lesser inline Fours, all Japs though. And this got me thinking a lot. I also recently did a few longish hard tours in Rajasthan on the said Superbike for which I have not put up any ride reports out of a lackadaisical attitude recently. All of which has made me reflect on the practicality of a lesser more practical devil than the utterly devilish R1.

                              One of the reasons why I have written this article is clearly stated on my last post, exposure to the idea, opening the debate, and bringing to notice certain aspects to people and that includes manufacturers as well who might have turned a blind eye in creating segments in the Supersports category for wrongly (or maybe rightly) preempting poor sales. Though I differ in opinion as is evident from my article.

                              About the part, why I am not downgrading from the R1, it is pretty simple. Since there is no "official" 600 available in the market at this point, I am loathe to go through the whole rigmarole of booking one in a foreign country, shipping it in my name, getting it cleared from customs which is a HUGE pain, then getting it registered in Delhi, another HUGE pain... I have been through it once, I am not going to do that in a hurry.

                              Believe me, with a CB600R, you will be getting your knee down as comfortably or probably easier as you do on the R1 without having to worry about your back and wrists and pay around 4L less! I have been nursing a deteriorating back and two fingers losing sensation for the past month and I do not think it has got to do with Just ageing as some might insinuate.

                              The day there is an "Official" 600 available in the country suited to my needs, I will be one of the first to rush to the showroom. But again, I will specify, I will NOT go for the "R" bikes. That is I will NOT go for the R6 or the 600RR. For such reasons, the R1 is there.

                              I hope I have made my point.
                              The Wheel was a great invention; Two Wheels with a Motor in between was even better!


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