Re: The Delhi biker shooting incident

Wonderful thought provoking HT sir.

Thanks for sharing with us.

Re: The Delhi biker shooting incident

A very well thought write-up oldfox sir. With your blessing I would like to state my point of view.

This is indeed a sad incident which raises various questions.

Keeping the motorcycling aspect aside, what troubles me the most is the fact that the police chose to discharge fire-arms at (relatively) unarmed riders. According to law, a police officer, under normal circumstances, can only fire his sidearm in defence of a life. The person being fired upon should pose as an immidiate threat to someone's life. In this particular case I fail to see any threat raised by a rider who was speeding away. Was he going to run over some one? Was he carrying any arms or ammunition?

It is a matter of fact that they broke the law by rash driving, disturbing public peace and retaliating against police officers. But does these charges entail an execution by encounter?

The facts of this case are indeed sketchy.

It is an understood and followed practice of justice that the punishment should fit the crime. Unruly behavior, no matter how bad it may be, can not be punishable by death. Furthermore, we have a justice system to prescribe punishment. Police has no right to pass the capital sentence.

From a layman's point of view, this police department is the same one which takes plea that they are ill-equipped and undertrained to deal with millitants and organised crime. This is the same department that is unable to provide security to women in their own city. This is the same department which provides speedy service to the connected and affluent people at the expense of the general mass. These "officers" abuse their power at every turn. Now, a young life has been lost due to their actions.

Dont be so comfortable with it. It could have been you or me instead of that young man because we too are labled as "bikers".

As far as the motorcycling aspect goes, since the dawn of two-wheelers, riders have been deemed as rebbels and with good reason. In economically sound countries where people can buy cars as general means of transportation, bikes are regarded as a lifestyle and are often associated with indecent and unruly behavior.

This problem takes a turn for the worst in India where motorcycles are regarded as a cheap means of commuting. The problem is with decent motorcyclists who choose to abide by the law. They are thrased by the authorities and society alike for being "bikers".

From my point of view, this is a modern form of age old problem. "Caste". This is pure and simple racism. A caste which is treated as a menace to society.

The sad part is the actual undesirable element of this "caste" is created by a weak society, blundering media and an uncaring system. Media glamorises the bad boy image of bikers through movies and other formats in the name of entertainment. When was the last time you saw a biker being portraied in positive light? Young people who get inspired by such media get their dose of cheap thrill through bikes and are labled as bikers.

A biker by definition is a person who is enthusiastic about motorcycling specifically, not generally. A person who commutes for daily on a 100cc bike and knows nothing of his bike should not be called a biker. Simmilarly a kid who just wants to ride fast just for the fun of it, without understanding the responsibility of handling a 2 wheeler is not a biker as well.

However these kids get bikes by emotaionally blackmailing their parents and authorities also grant them an easy license. It is unfortunate that in India a driving license is more an identity proof than a permit to ride. All riders and drivers are given the same test track regardless of their vehicles. You obtain a license giving a test on a activa and are allowed to ride a liter class bike with the same license. I just do not understand how can the authorities be so blind to such a simple scenario.

In essence, it is the society that creats these undesirable elements. It creats the clue less kid who thinks stunting on public roads with no regard for safety is acceptable behavior.
That kid grows up in time never having realised his responsibility as a rider and continues to act irrational and rash on the roads. When this kid makes makes a mistake, the parents, the media and the authorities cry foul where as they could have prevented this if they had acted with some good sense and nipped the problem in the bud.

So who is to blame here? The pesudo-bikers? People who motivate them? Authorities who turn a blind eye to them untill its too late?

You decide.

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Re: The Delhi biker shooting incident

This is a country with highest red tapism where Police gets immediate permission to shoot public/common man but need orders from top dog to shoot terrorists. Sadly this is also a country where your Pizza reaches faster than Ambulance

I'm not surprised at such incidents; like I keep saying, the worst is yet to come.

Re: The Delhi biker shooting incident

Well said Mr.Bibhu.
Its not a new story in our so called,'Incredible India'.India is really incredible coz i thought our capital is just limited to Rapers and Rappers but now its on our head- 'The Bikers'.I don't know whether it would be fine or not to call the victim a BIKER or not,but whatever happened as reported is,in my words,'A young boy who was a pillion on his friends bike performing stunts on a public place were warned by police or say untrained vardiwalas which those guys ignored and ran away,but what police did, they fired ....Bang!.How can they fire,i mean just to puncture the tyre they fired a round.It's totally a case of human right voilation.The guy dead was a human and not a bloody subject or a case.This system has again ashamed me to call myself an Indian.

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Re: The Delhi biker shooting incident

everybody, do your part .. ride responsibly ...

all the things discussed in this thread are same as the one already running.

Re: The Delhi biker shooting incident

Sad, just too sad.

This news is shocking & disheartening, but then again what would you expect more from these bent cops?

I am a returning Indian, residing in Mumbai & the scenarios that I see on a daily basis are horrifying! Just today while traveling to office on bus, I saw this "dude" on a bullet with just a scarf on his face & no riding gear at all, WHATSOEVER, not even a helmet, cruising at 50-60 odd kmph. There the usual traffic cops as its a linking highway & nabbed the dude as he wasnt wearing a helmet, the dude removes scarf, smiles, shows license & dunno what he did, because my bus moved ahead & just a few mins later, that dude precariously overtakes my bus on his bullet, with the same speed. With cops like these, there is little hope for law & order to be settled.

Then the other day as I was waiting for my bus to arrive at a toll naka (apparently the place where these cops 'serve their duty') were doing their usual checks & stopping the riders. I could clearly see how bribes were being given & the cops were receiving it with a smile on their faces. I stood witness to this for half an hour. Then one of these cops got suspicious & asked me to get lost from there (as if I was interrupting him in carrying out his 'civic duty'). I stood my ground, because I hadn't done anything obtrusive so far. So, these 3-4 cops surround me & start to display their 'power of law' & close-in on me. Seeing such a commotion, I moved back & let them carry out their 'civic duty'.

Riders are not so behind as well, there were a couple of these 'biker dudes' with bandanas on their heads, but no helmets. The cops took 200/- & let them off...!

With cops bent as these & riders foolish as these, there is little hope for BIKERS, the ones who are genuinely geared & follow the rules to the T.

I'm awaiting for the delivery of my bike & I wonder how will I cope. Because I have been long gone from India for almost 2 years & coming back from a civilized world to this lawless jungle, does dishearten me.

Re: The Delhi biker shooting incident

Talking about corrupt cops, We were returning from a long ride, me an my colleagues. there was a couple with us, for some reason they decided to come at a slower speed than us, so we went past and after about 15 min we slowed down thinking that they need to catch up since it was dark. we stopped, but even after half an hour we didn't see them anywhere near. we still waited. there zipped past a police jeep, in were our friends and the lady was crying and two cops were on their bike behind the jeep. So we all started our vehicles and followed the jeep. they noticed us and stopped. meanwhile we already called the emergency number and notified them about the incident and the jeep number, bike number and all. they told that they will be sending a nearby patrol. the police in the jeep got down and were talking to us in an uncivilized language and were telling us to go away or we will be in trouble. we stood our ground as we outnumbered them, they were hesitant to take any drastic steps. the argument went on and the patrol came and we showed all our ids and told where we were coming from and they also asked those idiots why they took the couple into custody and all. then there was a argument among the police and we demanded the idiots to be reported to the authorities and complaint lodged against them for harassing us. we were let go and were call to court the day after.

But what if the couple was the only people at that time and no one to back them up. I couldn't even imagine the situation.

Most of the police in our country put in lot of effort, sincerity and money in getting their job. then they strive to complete their probation through bribes. then they feed off the public to recover what they have spent to achieve their goal.

Not only them, it has become a common trend with politicians, doctors, some government departments and even some government teachers. they all have their alternate sources of income.

BTW, the Delhi incident shows just how uncontrolled the cops themselves are and how immature their actions were. those were hooligans alright and they needed a good lesson but not getting shot. if they were terrorists, they would try negotiate with them first, but since they were some idiots on bikes, they decided to shoot.

and for those who support the actions of the police, I would say, they had alternatives, facility of calling for backup, they have the facility of tracking and catching the idiots if they escaped, set up road blocks. even in high speed chases, in other countries, they never use deadly force unless absolutely necessary. here they used their weapon like a toy to puncture a tyre? that cop does not deserve to be called a policeman.