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    Default Saddlesore is a child's play

    Aargee, I want to do saddlesore; can I do saddlesore in my CBR 250R? I want to do saddlesore & please help me choose a bike for me; how about doing a group saddlesore?

    Errr...aaaargggh... I'm mighty frustrated hearing these for last few days

    What increases the frustration is that, one dude rides from Bangalore to Chennai, hears about this Saddlesore for first time in his life & he wants to do it next weekend, like riding from his house to local kirana store; and another guy wants to buy a motorcycle specifically to do a saddlesore, whoa

    While some here can debate asking what's wrong in achievement, there's something more beyond speeds, achievement & endurance. Let me be fair & look up this topic from the view of Saddlesore enthusiasts, anti Saddlesore crowd & some as Realist.

    Pro Saddlesore
    Technically speaking, it's a little over 1600 Km to be done within 24 hours. Which means, I only need to keep 67 Kmph so that 24 X 67 = 1608 Km. It's good to hear, but one has to account for few minimal other things such as Fuel, Food & Water.

    So let's keep aside 1 hour for food & 1 hour for water; let's say your ride yields 30 Kmpl & has a capacity of using 10 liters of fuel in one go, this means, you'll have to stop 5-6 times for refueling (1600/300). And let's keep aside about 10 minutes for each refuel & that accounts for 1 hour easily.

    So from 24 hours, take off about 3 hours that crunches our time to 21 hours. This also means, the speed has to increase from 67 Kmph to approximately 77 Kmph.

    Next point is the route. Considering the GQ, outer ring road, outer of outer ring road & outer of outer of outer of...blah blah roads, it's quite possible not only to skip the crowded towns, but also keep the distance without much disturbances. Be it North, South or West (Sorry to my dear brothers & sisters in East & KL ofcourse, I have to be empathetic to you guys). So good roads these days are no longer an excuse.

    Riding efficiently around 100 Kmph easily gives an average speed of 80 Kmph on these good long highways.

    Considering today's reliable 200+ cc motorcycles, there's absolutely no excuse for not succeeding with a Saddlesore, if this is what you thought...

    Anti Saddlesore
    For sure the roads are improved, the rides are reliable, durable & comes with other able, however there's one indispensable truth...has the mindset of people improved?

    I still see why are you passing through my village, This is my village & I do what I like attitude on the roads. Yes, no one denied it's your village & you live in it, but, let me also pass; and hey, I'm not coming to harass you or I'm Mohammed Ghazni to raid the riches from your village. I'm merely traveling to my destination & let me use the road for few minutes, atleast, let me use it for the sake of toll that I've paid?

    And the do what I like attitude is quite dangerous one; drive tractor the way I like; and the Hero Splendor become Tata Sumo just that the Sumo still ride on 4 wheels with 5 people in it, quite talented!

    Cursed are those dogs (cats & other small animals) who're born in US & other Western countries; they live in A/C room with TV left ON, living on special diet, have doctor's appointment, demanding for evening walks & some of them even wear clothes like human. They don't have much freedom to move about. Fortunately (or unfortunately for us), this is India & there's too much freedom for them, if you want to say so, and they've no limited mobility & are free to move anywhere. May be that's the reason, they stare at you on a National Highway & consider whether to move out of the way.

    Cow is Mother, Mother can go anywhere & that includes any highway; and how does a Cow know to read & write?

    Last but not the least, there're bushmen. Those people who wake up early in the morning, find a hide out to finish off their morning ablution, come back sheepishly to the bushes in the median, ensure there's an oncoming vehicle & then try to cross the road. They appear suddenly out of the bushes & try to make 0 to 120 Kmph in 1 second. Whoa!!

    As if all these hurdles are not sufficient, there're other vehicles on the road who ensures to give you maximum possible trouble on the road. Most notorious ones ranges from the silent cyclists to loud farting auto-rickshaw.

    Want more? Add potholes, signals, speed barriers, one stretch or other being under construction, uneven surfaces, high beam lights, truckers without danger light in the night.

    Last but not the least, the speed limit of any two wheeler in this country being 50 Kmph (those specified are only for cars); anything above this speed limit is clearly VIOLATION OF LAW

    For The Realists
    A typical, one minute stop delays off about 8-10 minutes to destination. This means, 5 times stopped for fuel itself wastes about 50 minutes. Ofcourse, one can make up for this by increasing the speed, but, this is undeniable truth.

    Riding for 100 Kmph for one hour is quite different from riding 80 Kmph for 5-6 hours; it requires immense concentration, stamina & energy, which is the ultimate test of all these attempts. But the fact is that, as time progress, it becomes extremely difficult to keep up the focus.

    Riding steady for first 12-16 hours isn't great, but keeping the journey steady for the last 8 hours is really tough.

    When brain is deprived of sleep, the effects are amazing; your vision becomes impaired, judgement fails miserably, causes anxiety & fatigue, worst thing being you start hallucinating & start seeing things that are not there in the first place.

    Weather is one thing that has to be favorable; neither should it be hot, cold or should it rain. And switching the appropriate gears in accordance to weather also means, loss of time.

    Riding in dusk & dawn becomes inevitable, and these are the two times in the day where vision is easily tricked even for a seasoned rider with immense concentration. Needless to say when one is exhausted.

    On any account one HAS to ride during the night (or dark) at one point or other & certainly at one point it sure will be exhausted & that's the time one HAS to put in more efforts to stay awake, keep the focus, fight against darkness, fight against the high beams & ofcourse keep the speed.

    Cop troubles...less said better

    As reliable as rides can become, but, nothing can be taken for granted on accounts of vulnerability. Simple things such as cable cut, puncture or chain lube cannot be taken lightly. They simply eat away your time & forcing you to speed up more & more or skip a meal or much needed water break

    One of the worst thing that can happen being PUSH to limit; at some point during the ride, you're body will certainly feel like taking a break, but your mind could be fresh & that is when the problem starts; your mind says to do something & your body does something (a gear shift down instead of shift up etc) are clear symptoms of these. And trouble starts when you decide to keep riding & push yourself instead of taking a break

    There're some hidden activities during this attempt; taking ATM receipt for instance, computerized fuel receipt & pictures for evidence. Murphy laughs when your frantically search for an ATM & when you find, there's a big queue or the computer at the fuel station goes kaput & ask you to wait for 5 minutes.

    BTW, no matter whichever route you do, IBA has their own way to calculate the distance of the route; so it's better not just stop with 1600 Km & do some 20-30 Km addition.

    Let's wrap up this whole thing & do a realist calculation here...
    Fuel break - 1 hour
    Food break combined with Fuel break - 30 min
    Let's eliminate the water break with a hydration pack (Cost Rs 3000 approx, unless your friend doesn't mind putting your mouth) - 30 min to refill alone
    Butt break - 30 min
    ATM receipts & photo - 30 min
    Set aside a buffer of 30 min for any uneventful situation - 30 min
    Total - 3.5 hours

    Deducting 3 from 24 hours = 20.5 hours
    That makes an average of 80 Kmph for 20.5 hours = 1640 Km

    Now comes the cost...
    Cost of fuel - 1640 Km/30 Kmpl = ~55 liters X Rs 72 = Rs 3960 = ~Rs 4000
    This is excluding the $25 fee (and courier) to IBA = ~$30 X ~Rs 60 = Rs 1800
    And the above is excluding the cost of mobile calls, food, water & consumables such as chain lube & most importantly VIOLATING THE LAW

    The net result? You spend approximately Rs 6000 to get your name published in the list of IBA under SS1600 or SS2000 by putting not only your life but also others on the road to risk. And anything beyond these certification are equivalent to sending an invitation to Yamaraj for a G2G!!!

    All for your name to get it published in that list. To show whom? To prove what? Is it worth enough? Can it fetch a job? Can it help to clear arrears? I'm leaving the conclusion to the reader to think about as I'm myself left in a mixed feeling of...
    - Is it safer to do this ride outside India?
    - Can I do a much relaxed ride else where?
    - Can I use that money to buy additional safety gears or a bike accessory?
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    Thanks Aargee for this much needed post. Saddlesore has become the flavour of the day, where everyone worth his salt feels the need to do it. If you haven't done it, then you are not a REAL BIKER.

    One must really introspect to see if a piece of paper is worth risking ones life.
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    Thank you @aargee for putting this up. I myself am positively against the idea of SaddleSore in India due to the many of the reasons you have mentioned.

    @ALL READERS: Your life is more important than a piece of paper can ever be. Enough people have gotten hurt and even lost their life in pursuit of something like this which only gives you bragging rights at the bar/coffee shop. Trust me, it is not worth it. Spend the money on better riding gear or say a 2000km relaxed ride to some destination you always wanted to visit. At least you get to enjoy your ride & ride at your own pace which is not governed by a clock.

    I hope this thread gives people attempting a SaddleSore just *because it can be done* some good sense and makes them do a rethink about their decision.
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    Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.

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    NIce thread there Aargee! It just shows how a pointless exercise is this saddle sore. The SS1600 and SS2000 are well doable in countries with good roads and regulated traffic. In the Indian context, as you rightly pointed out its a dangerous exercise considering the time of the ride, the distance covered, speed of your bike and the others on the road.

    I dont think any of these saddle sore guys will last more than 30 minutes (am being really optimistic here) on a race track where there is full freedom for you go as fast as you can and its no holds barred. You dont need any photos, any petrol bills there

    Absolutely pointless exercise. BTW wasnt there a guy from AP who died while attempting the SS2000?
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    Excellent initiative RG. It is of utmost importance that one evaluates the meaning, purpose and weightage of saddlesore attempts before taking the plunge.

    I know that riders who have successfully attempted SS1600k and BB2500k would say its the passion, experience, knowing their and their bikes' limits and dedication that helped them complete the event successfully. Few may even get the certificate laminated as a remembrance of something they love doing.

    BUT, I'm deeply saddened that we don't have 2 people with us anymore - Kriss and Madmax.

    Kriss wasn't attempting a saddlesore, but he was on his Busa on that fateful day. People say he was one of the best riders.
    His signature said it all - "There are bikers, there are superbikers, and then there is Kriss!" Miss you buddy.

    Madmax lost his life in an attempt to complete the 2500k ride. He had done SS1600k earlier and he was one of the most loved guys in the community. Hope he's riding up there too.

    So, I have a humble request to my fellow brothers here - "Take it easy!". Do NOT just get motivated after reading a log. Such attempts need endurance (and not an adrenaline rush) of an Iron Man and that endurance doesn't come in a day.

    Mods, please make this thread sticky.

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    Nice point made by Aargee. I am still not able to decide whether SS should be done or not but yes, better riding gears or a trip to some place without time constraint or accessories for the bike are good alternatives as well. Once again well done Aargee.
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    @aargee : such a terrific read there...
    let aside everything else, the last 4 paragraphs hit the nail on the head...
    i wud rather cruise @ speeds that give me joy & @ my own pace, in the hills, enjoying the mother natures grandeur, instead of nearly killing myself trying to qualify in a list of guys who seem to have family jewels made of titanium.
    after all, as they say... life is not measured by the number of breaths we take but by the moments that take our breath away!
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    I am neither for or against it --

    infact I always advocate that endurance runs should be something of a last bastion kind of a thing when you have discovered and tried all other fun factors of motorcycling as a sport

    that said endurance riding be it SS,BB or GQ run for that matter should also be treated as a sport and due respect should be given to the same with respect to the capabilities and readiness of the rider

    It depends on the individual who wants it to earn some brownie points somewhere or test his own skill parameters --

    whenever someone asks me for advice I always deter him if the motives are muddled up -- and no its not just a piece of paper -- I know several people here who completed these runs successfully but never applied for certification as they are happy in the knowledge of what they can or cannot do--

    That said especially for Jakrap's snide comment about not lasting 30 minutes on the track -- I think you are mature enough to understand that both are as different as chalk and cheese,require different skills and cannot be compared

    finally it all comes down to individual -- personal example--when we first attempted BB in 2010 after a point crossing banglore we understood that the next journey required us to complete 1000 kms in 10 hours--stopped ,dropped the plan and slept off
    next year in 2011 saw us with better readiness and we were successful as first group in india to complete the BB
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    Quote Originally Posted by whymail View Post
    .....guys who seem to have family jewels made of titanium.......
    after all, as they say... life is not measured by the number of breaths we take but by the moments that take our breath away!
    Wonderful choice of words. Aptly put. Your posts are not politically correct, but bang on.
    As they say - "Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind".

    This quote doesn't apply to you or RG at all, lol. But kudos to the OP for bringing out such a lovely post. Should make aspirants think twice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkknight View Post
    finally it all comes down to individual -- personal example--when we first attempted BB in 2010 after a point crossing banglore we understood that the next journey required us to complete 1000 kms in 10 hours--stopped ,dropped the plan and slept off
    next year in 2011 saw us with better readiness and we were successful as first group in india to complete the BB
    And this dear sir, is the reason of this thread. You had the maturity to back off when you reached your point of exhaustion or whatever. Everybody, especially hot blooded youngsters may not have that decision making skill, where they can separate their ego from their desire to achieve. That is why I said a piece of paper. Because like you yourself realized that your life is more precious than to risk trying 1k km in 10 hours.
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