So renny,

you want God to drop bikes on earth and everyone ets one according to their "appropriateness" ?
Is that what you are saying or did i misinterpret ?

1.IMO giving ANY geared vehicle to a 15 yr old is a crime.Maybe you could report it to the police.Then,if all of us follow your example,many under age guys on bikes will be saved from death/accidents.

2.He was not lucky like us to go to a good school and continue education.And to earn he had to learn about bikes.
Now would it put him to shame if a computer engineer goes to him and shows him a couple of tricks? He won't even compare cause the external factors in our lives are very different.

3.99 out of 100 ? Then you accept that most of us here on this website do not know the M of motorcycle mechanics ? And if you are one of the 99 then you shouldn't even have written what you did.

4.Pointless

i was looking forward to a nice reply

and yours need some correction but you wont let that happen.
You started out bashing everyone who is not nerdy with bikes and then end up saying you didnt mean it that way. I dont think you ever had a point to make at all.

If two ppl have a difference of opinions,they debate over it and settle it out.what is the point of just keeping your thoughts to yourself ?

No it doesn't.
Guess i gotta choose what i read from now on.
take care

I'm a college going student, from a middle class family. Extremely interested in stunts because of the adrenaline rush it provides. Never a geek abt bikes. Had talked to dad about
buying a P200Ns. Intentions were stunts, appeal, and the rush. This thread caught my attention for no obvious reasons. Read it from beginning to the end. Now may be i should rethink. What do u people say?

Good to know you are thinking about it. Personally, stunting is not something I enjoy.
Stunting is not a crime. On Public road, endangering others, it's a crime. When you do stunt make sure that its not endangering others as well as you. Wear proper gear and learn the proper technique.

Also be ready to bear the expenses related to broken parts and such, as these are part and parcel of stunting. You are in the best position to judge if you are in a position to pursue this. Happy and Safe riding.

This is the first time I am coming across this thread. It has been nearly 10 years since I started riding. Past 7 years with a Discover 125 which my dad bought. This is just daily round abouts, dropping and pickup parents, relatives etc. I love touring. But somehow inside my heart I felt it was wrong to tour on my dad's money. So I waited till I started earning. About 1.5 years back I joined a company. I would give most part of my salary to dad and he would give me about 5K per month for expenses. I started going on long rides with this money. I did not feel guilty for the money part. I felt this is what everyone who wants to tour or spend on things which are wants should do.

After a few trips, I started feeling superior to others on the road. I started rash driving. I thought I was the only guy who could do what I was doing. That made me more arrogant. Then somehow I stumbled upon xBHP and started reading trip logs. Researched on the net and came across more trip logs. I was humbled by so many great tourers. I realized I had just met the tip of the ice berg. But that is how it works. You start something, then you get some initial success, you think you are the greatest, then reality will dawn on you, you become humbled and matured and then finally you grow in the right way. That is how everything works. Biking is no exception. It happens to everyone.

There is one thing that does not feel right though. The go green part of me. It still feels guilty for just going on tours often for pleasure and causing emissions etc. I have not found a way around this. Any thoughts on this guys?

Well to me biking has been a passion from my childhood like many of you. I have had my shares of pluses and minuses. I have been riding for about 18 years now and will never forget my first ride. It was mesmerizing. My father was my hero like many of you. He was a responsible rider and a good mentor. He gave me a simple and very valuable lesson. Respect yourself, others and your bike. Don't act like you are the only person in the world that has a bike and rules are not for you. This simple lesson made me think a lot. To my surprise I never asked for a bike( shared my dad's RE explorer) even though extremely tempted to ask one from my parents but my parents knew that I was not complete without one. So they got me a Second hand bullet. I was blown to skies. But my father warned me about the responsibilities that goes in owning a bike. At that point in my life I took a vow that no matter what happens I will be a responsible driver. I do drive fast but not rash.

+1. This is the normal cycle how it works, or rather how it should work. you are fortunate if nothing goes wrong or out of control until you attain maturity and ride responsibly. Riding responsibly with attention to safety of yourself and others is like attaing Nirvana. Its a great feeling and makes us realize how stupid we were when we rode reckless (reckless does not always mean fast and vice-versa).

The 'go green' part is could be a side-effect of the so-called maturity. I had been thinking of this quite often too. Not just about the environment, but depleting fuel resources will have impact on our next..gen's passion for riding too. Honestly I can only reduce unnneccessary rides and start walking(touring is always a neccessity for me).

I dont know whats the anxiety or fuss all about..
I may call it a state where the threadstarter thinks he has wasted his parents money unnecessarily.. People coming off immaturity starts to think what they did was wrong and unnacceptable. But thats just a part of growing up phase.
It happens with everybody (only intensity varies).
IMO threadstarter should start enjoying his present state. Life is enjoyment! That was a phase.. Here comes next. If we start acting very mature from day one of our birth.. we would stop many things like
Playing with Mud - - - - - Bunking school classes - - - - - Jumping traffic lights(many with disagree but there is no one who hasn't)- - - - - Riding your machine at its max power on city roads!! Period

The nice thing is you have come out alive yourself and without taking someone else's life. Many are not so lucky! (Guys like Sanjeev Nanda of BMW case, our very own Sanjay Dutt who didnt fire a bullet but was booked for keeping a "big" gun out of immaturity... and many others.. they were all acting immature and got entangled in a criminal offense. I am not favoring them, what they did will be dealt by the law of the land).

Always remember, you may be acting immature but your parents are mature enough from your birth and know exactly what you are going through - They themselves did when they were of your age.

So, stop thinking and "live" your life happily! Thats whats important.

By the way, how much money you could have spent in these years of "unnecessary" riding. The bike is there with you.. you just burnt petrol and your time. How much petrol - lets say you did 30,000 'extra' kilometers.
30,000(km)*70(Average petrol cost)/50(your bikes mileage) = INR 42,000!!

Thats nothing, believe me!! I will say that's well spent money!

Consider my case.. I loved touring but was quite mature (unlike you) and was using trains/buses etc to travel initially with friends but not alone. (I wont describe what I spent then.. its not relevant!). Then I got married. My better half was also interested in touring(but not on bike!). So here ends the bike tourer in me and starts the car tourings.. complete craziness and it is still continuing and will not perish till I perish. Then I got a child.. Bike tours completely IMPOSSIBLE. I got shifted to Hyderabad.
Tours from Hyderabad in the last two years (with my small family in my small car)-
Hyderabad to Bangalore to Hogenekkal falls to Mysore and back - 1800 kms
Hyderabad to Srisailam and back - 500 kms
Hyderabad to Nagarjuna sagar and back - 350 kms
Hyderabad to Nirmal (Pochera and Kuntela falls) and back - 500 kms
Hyderabad to Vijayawada to Suryalanka beach and back - 800 kms
Hyderabad to Udupi (Mangalore) and back - 1700 kms (did it with friends)
Hyderabad to Bidar fort and back - 240 kms
Hyderabad to Kurnool to Belum caves to Gooty and back (this is the most recent trip - Happened last Saturday!) - 750 kms
Many other very short trips (50-100 kms)
If I start calculating money I have spent I wont enjoy a single tour!!
You are lucky you did all that in a far less cost and that too in the right age! I am just 31 though!
Tip of the iceberg-Yes it is.. I will leave you with this small video which I saw sometime back.. Now compare the size. How much can anyone COVER!! But you have to start somewhere.. .. Thank God that you did.
Earth Scale - YouTube