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  • P180UG4 Carb issue: Varying RPM at 1/4th throttle

    *** Update ***

    Issue identified as a faulty carb and it will be replaced under warranty.

    Problem details:

    hey guys,
    I have a pulsar 180UG 4 which is 3 months and almost 4000kms old. Had the second service done at 3500 kms (cause I felt the bike needed it).

    Now, before the second service, I had tuned the bike myself. I took 6-7 tries but I had a decent enough tuning (45-46km/l), power balanced etc.

    I did read through the afr tuning process many times and followed the procedures properly (idling at 4K rpm and then doing the tuning process).

    But a problem of throttle varying was there since the beginning. When cold, if i held the throttle anywhere between 15-25%, the rev needle would oscillate by a margin of 1-1.5k rpm. This oscillation decreased when the engine is hot. Also, when the engine is cold, the bike would not accelerate smoothly due to this problem. The bike would pickup with jitters in that throttle range untill it lurched forward in a higher rpm range. But all this was much lesser in degree compared to now.

    At the second service, I asked B.A.S.S. to overhaul and ajust the carb. They adjusted the carb via the CO tuning method. The guy who did it said my previous setting had the CO% figures through the roof - 6% to be precise (whereas for bajaj bikes its rarely above 2%). He tuned it to less than 2% but that was way too lean as it turned out since the rpm was unstable even at idling.

    So I went there and they made it richer which solved the problem to quite a bit it's still worse than when I had tuned it myself (which sent the CO% rocketing). Now in winters its even bad. The engine takes 10mins of riding to warm up. Only then does the pick up become linear.

    Now from what I can understand, the AFR is obviously not right. But correcting it send my CO emissions in a tizzy. But even last time, it wasn't perfect.

    Is there any other problem I should be looking at? a clogged fuel line or something? I have tried to explain the problem to these people but they just shun what I'm saying as useless fretting. I dont know how i can even get them to acknowledge the issue.

    BTW, after the second service, the bike has become a lot more peppier. Pickup and all has generally imrpoved by leaps and bounds.
    Last edited by VD17; 12-29-2010, 05:02 PM. Reason: Reason for issue found.

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    • #3
      Varying of rpm by 100-200rpm in normal. Happens in my bike too. I donot think that should be a problem. A little lean or rich mixture case is there with everyone's bike. Be happy, ride safe.

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      • #4
        100 to 200? Mine varies by a 1000 when hot and by 1500 when cold?

        Abhi, have you also noticed a little muffled pickup when the engine is cold?

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        • #5
          I do believe it all due to the atomization of fuel and also to some extent of tappets. When the engine is cold, the A/F mixture have some droplets of fuel which is not atomized. This is the reason for the power loss and hence lesser rpm. When the engine is hot the fuel is atomized well before the ignition causes more power. This is the reason for increase in rpm on a warmed up engine.
          The other reason could be valve duration. When could the opening of the valve is lesser due to the clearance. On the warmed up engine the vave stem expands a bit causes increased valve duration which causes more A/F mixture to enter the chamber thus more power.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by VD17 View Post
            100 to 200? Mine varies by a 1000 when hot and by 1500 when cold?

            Abhi, have you also noticed a little muffled pickup when the engine is cold?
            You need do reset the carburetor. Generally, the variation in rom is due to incorrect AFR. Go to a good mechanic and get it done.

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            • #7
              look for the sweet spot nearest to the 2.5 turns open from the full closed screw position . when your bike is hot ,increase rpm to 3000-4000 rpm open the screw 2.5 turns frm full tight and then aim for the idle stabilisation , dont go far away from the 2.5 just do +/- near to it only , when u get it stabilised , you'll run a perfect setting .. now decrease the idle to 1300. also clean the air filter if you find it dirty (dont use petrol just use keroscene) .

              The same i did with my 180 ug3 (running on 220FI chain sprocket) and it somehow returns 48-54 kmpl constant with no cold start problem and pickup during cold engine is also gud.
              Last edited by k_tornado_sj; 12-25-2010, 10:13 AM.

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              • #8
                From which service station did you get it serviced from?? Try the Kirti Nagar one, if you haven't tried. Go in weekdays, preferably.
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                • #9
                  There's one in Kirti nagar? Bagga link or someone else? I got it done from Suman Bajaj in Noida.

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                  • #10
                    So, the SVC centre finally saw the problem. Reached there and left the bike to cool down for 10 minutes and the problem was in their faces.

                    The carb is faulty and it will be replaced. Unsurprisingly, as I've heard this is a common occurence with Bajaj, a new carb is out of stock. Replacement next week.

                    Mods, thread can be closed. thanks.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by VD17 View Post
                      So, the SVC centre finally saw the problem. Reached there and left the bike to cool down for 10 minutes and the problem was in their faces.

                      The carb is faulty and it will be replaced. Unsurprisingly, as I've heard this is a common occurence with Bajaj, a new carb is out of stock. Replacement next week.

                      Mods, thread can be closed. thanks.

                      Good to know that they finally got the fault.
                      Get it replaces asap and enjoy the motorcycling.

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