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    Hi all,
    a year back i purchased 1988 Rx100 which has given me lot of enjoyment.it was filled with power bcoz 120kmph was above normal. and i was getting a mileage of ~36 to 39 in city limits.
    after some time i thought of rebuilding it to stock so i changed all most all parts (except handle bar, 16'' weel and head light). and at the same time my mechanic (who is from other city) insisted me to change the bore and piston so that will give more power and also more mileage. but while doing this he convinced me to change it to 110 cc shogun piston instead of Rx 100cc standard. blindly i thought, he is the mech so he knows more. so we converted it to 110cc with short bore to fit the piston.

    every thing was done and when i rode my bike i noticed that there was a huge down in pickup but mech told me that its common for a new bore and i have to run it for 2000km in less than 40kmph, and now its almost 4000km i have run but still not found any good improvements.

    some of the major problem which im facing is:

    1. mileage decrease to 28~30max
    2. huge vibration starts from engine (inside) after crossing 55kmph
    3. speed at each gear: 1st-15km, 2nd-25, 3rd-42,4th-60
    4. engine is getting heated very quickly.
    5. if try crossing 80 i feel like engine may burst.
    6. poor acceleration.

    i love my bike very much. but from last 4 to 5 months i am not able to feel the power of the RX. and i am worried and afraid of going to the mech as they will try all new new R&D with our bikes. i have a feeling that most of the probem can be solved if i tune/ changing the setting of carb (just a wild guess)

    some more info of my bike:
    maintains very neat, regular services, cleaning
    40ml oil to the tank for a L petrol.
    regular smoke from exhaust ( he had also changed it to used rx100 original as mine had many dents)

    i need your opinion and advice so that i can bring my bike to normal and also can anybody suggest me a very good mech who knows in and out of the Yamaha RX anywhere near by South Bangalore.

  • #2
    Query approved.
    (Been There Done That) x 3.25

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    • #3
      i think your mechanic lacks basic knowledge. when you mod the engine you need to mod the port & ignition timing and the jetting as well. for this he should be an expert. now since the bore is useless (as it was over bored) only option is to get a new RX100 bore. but i do'nt think the new bores available in the market will give the AUTHENTIC RX100 performance due its ok quality

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      • #4
        i dont think that he knows all those and getting a original bore is also an issue. is there any other way or any temporary solution?

        all expertise please give some opinion.
        Last edited by akshayhgd; 01-14-2011, 04:15 PM.

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        • #5
          more than 47 visitors but only one person has responded. please guys need some serious help. come on shoot some opinions.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by satishg View Post
            i think your mechanic lacks basic knowledge. when you mod the engine you need to mod the port & ignition timing and the jetting as well. for this he should be an expert. now since the bore is useless (as it was over bored) only option is to get a new RX100 bore.

            satish is right,get a brand new bore your bike will be back to normal

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            • #7
              Originally posted by akshayhgd View Post
              but while doing this he convinced me to change it to 110 cc shogun piston instead of Rx 100cc standard. blindly i thought, he is the mech so he knows more. so we converted it to 110cc with short bore to fit the piston.
              Does your mechanic understand the difference between crankcase reed induction and reed block induction? The Shogun had a crankcase reed induction whereas the RX100 is a reed block induction. Therefore, the skirt of the piston of both are different. That not withstanding the dimensions of the piston i.e. the height of the piston pin to the crown, is different. All of these and more are screwing up the port timings of your bike. You need to get yourself a new stock cylinder block and a stock piston, you have no other choice.

              One final bit of advice, you may get your bike serviced, repaired by any mechanic, but at least read up on what your bike is all about.
              Only a biker knows why a dog sticks his head out of a car window.

              Multum in Parvo - Much in Little

              "Yes, it is FAST! No, you CAN'T ride it!" - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/general-...a-300-san.html

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              • #8
                @ Abhimanyu

                I am 100% sure that he dont have that much of knowledge in that.
                real fact is i purchased my bike from my native place (there are some very good mech) and i bought it to Bangalore and i was looking for a good mech in bangalore. but now a days if you visit any new mech here in bangalore before starting the bike, by seeing RX only they will start saying engine work has to be done along with the bore.. when i heard the same from many mech i thought of giving a try..
                one more thing is one of the mech in my native place has done the same thing (110cc shogun piston with short bore) which has got surprising power and speed. but he is 600km away..

                so nothing is relates to carb settings?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by akshayhgd View Post
                  @
                  one more thing is one of the mech in my native place has done the same thing (110cc shogun piston with short bore) which has got surprising power and speed. but he is 600km away..

                  so nothing is relates to carb settings?
                  I cannot comment on what the mech in your native place has done without actually seeing the internals of the bike.

                  First and foremost while the Shogun and RX were both 2-stroke, their internals were different. 2 strokes do not have mechanical valves like a 4 stroke. The port timings (equivalent of 4 stroke valves) are controlled by the pistons movement and the height of the piston makes a difference in their opening and closing. Therefore, if Shogun has a set of port timings, and a piston that is specifically designed for that bike, how can it work in RX which has different port timings.

                  To use the Shogun piston will require some major changes to the port times, and the shape of the piston to make it successful. And that is not some road side mechanic's cup of tea...
                  Only a biker knows why a dog sticks his head out of a car window.

                  Multum in Parvo - Much in Little

                  "Yes, it is FAST! No, you CAN'T ride it!" - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/general-...a-300-san.html

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                  • #10
                    @Abhimanyu, both mech are different my native guy is 'the expert' in Yamaha but problem is i cant take my bike there nor he can come. is there any other way to repair it at least for temporarily?

                    guys one of your RX family member is seriously suffering and no body is showing any interest to respond it. please give your thoughts.

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                    • #11
                      15 years before i very well remember Jagat nanjappa the then 2w rally champion use to ride the shogun piston on the RX after modifying it to match the Rx piston in height,port sizes and port heights from the top/bottom of the piston. It is very well possible but if done in the right way.your mechanic can take out the piston , keeping it side by side with a RX piston to see any mismatching of any sort. Also if the piston top shape differ then compression has to be fixed right too. it so complex it is better to get a OE RX block and revert back. all the best
                      Last edited by satishg; 01-15-2011, 05:51 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by satishg View Post
                        15 years before i very well remember Jagat nanjappa the then 2w rally champion use to ride the shogun piston on the RX after modifying it to match the Rx piston in height,port sizes and port heights from the top/bottom of the piston. It is very well possible but if done in the right way.your mechanic can take out the piston , keeping it side by side with a RX piston to see any mismatching of any sort. Also if the piston top shape differ then compression has to be fixed right too. it so complex it is better to get a OE RX block and revert back. all the best

                        yes this is possible but dont know how to fix it as i said earlier mechanic from my native place has fitted the shogun piston for his own bike and cant imagine the power on it right now i am not looking for super power, just need normal one. but the issue is i have almost spent more than 30k for modification i am running out of money to take a new cylinder kit.

                        so asking you guys to give some alternative options..

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                        • #13
                          sleeve my man sleeve can help you. If done properly it can deliver power almost identical to the stock bore but the only downer is a good sleeve job can last only 10k KM max after that you need to get it sleeved again and then again and then again. OR don't you guys have a junkyard or something? take a vernier caliper and go bore hunting!
                          RIP ਕਾਕਾ ਭੈਣੀਆਂਵਾਲਾ (Santokh Singh Rataurh)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by akshayhgd View Post
                            ...but the issue is i have almost spent more than 30k for modification i am running out of money to take a new cylinder kit.

                            so asking you guys to give some alternative options..
                            Well, you just wasted 30K... there are no alternatives,... from your description it is also apparent that the engine is also detonating... so what else has been done to the engine other than 'boring out to size' and 110 cc piston??? Have any changes been made to the head, the connecting rod, the exhaust, cylinder??? Unless we know exactly what has been done, how can anyone help you??? All the inputs being given to you are based on the description given by you... but there are lot more factors involved in the whole thing...

                            As I have said before, and you don't seem to be getting it, there are differences in both bikes' engines, it requires extensive and knowledgeable changes for such an exercise to work... it is not impossible... but requires someone knowledgeable...
                            Only a biker knows why a dog sticks his head out of a car window.

                            Multum in Parvo - Much in Little

                            "Yes, it is FAST! No, you CAN'T ride it!" - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/general-...a-300-san.html

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                            • #15
                              dude, Apart from boring and piston change nothing has altered everything else is in stock condition. but he changed my carb setting and float valve and struggled to fix the settings in Bangalore.

                              because of these problem (of mech) i had taken my bike way back to my native and there my native mech told me that 2 holes were missing in shogun piston (he fixed it )and due to the play in connecting rod he changed it too and there was heavy leakage in carb so he changed the jet needle. after that bike was quite ok so i came back after running around 2k km i had given it for service, so all started again now. one disadvantage is i dont have much knowledge in mechanism of Rx

                              but there are many guys who are satisfied with conversion of shogun piston and i even heard that some times back even rally guys used it to beat shogun.. so thought of giving a try but had never imagined this mess.

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