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  • How to ride a Fazer?

    Hi all,

    I booked Fazer which will be delivered next week. I was using Honda Activa till date so I have no gear bike riding experience.

    I practiced some and got some points from friend, I have gone practical with his TVS Star City but I have some points to clarify, hope XBHPians help me

    He told,
    1. whenever you get to ride new bike practice to get friction point and wen u achieve it then give acceleration very lightly and then dis-engage the clutch fully followed
    by acceleration.

    2. When you riding at gears higher than 1st gear such as 2,3,4,5 dont leave accelerator completely as it my get into Engine brake which makes terrible injury. If you
    want to stop bike completely Engage Clutch and then apply brakes.

    3. When I drove Star City I found I am not good at braking techniques I used to apply very hard where everytime my Tyre gets locked. , he told me to apply slightly the back brake just a small press half-way and Front bake too featherly wenever
    u see a signal stopping or slow stopping required.

    4. During Downhill drive do not engage clutch just leave acceleration completely, will it conflict with 2nd point ???


    Currently he went to Thailand will be back after a month so by this time I hope BHP'ians help me.

    Thanks.

  • #2
    Query approved.
    (Been There Done That) x 3.25

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    • #3
      Originally posted by yadav View Post
      Hi all,

      I booked Fazer which will be delivered next week. I was using Honda Activa till date so I have no gear bike riding experience.

      I practiced some and got some points from friend, I have gone practical with his TVS Star City but I have some points to clarify, hope XBHPians help me

      He told,
      1. whenever you get to ride new bike practice to get friction point and wen u achieve it then give acceleration very lightly and then dis-engage the clutch fully followed
      by acceleration.
      I dint understand your point.

      2. When you riding at gears higher than 1st gear such as 2,3,4,5 dont leave accelerator completely as it my get into Engine brake which makes terrible injury. If you
      want to stop bike completely Engage Clutch and then apply brakes.
      Well its completely a reverse process. The engine braking is more efficient at stopping the vehicle. Stopping the bike by engaging the clutch can result in accidents.

      3. When I drove Star City I found I am not good at braking techniques I used to apply very hard where everytime my Tyre gets locked. , he told me to apply slightly the back brake just a small press half-way and Front bake too featherly wenever
      u see a signal stopping or slow stopping required.
      Yes what he said is true.

      4. During Downhill drive do not engage clutch just leave acceleration completely, will it conflict with 2nd point ???
      Well this would be the best way to descend a downhill. But dont forget to use the brakes when necessary.

      Currently he went to Thailand will be back after a month so by this time I hope BHP'ians help me.

      Thanks.
      Comments in bold
      NOT BEEN THERE NOT DONE THAT

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      • #4
        i find your concerns quite right to some extent.. but i will insist you learn through practising on your bike. as practical is the best way to learn something.
        " you remeber most when you do things, then comes when you see, and then comes whan you read"... ??
        so simple principle.. ride ride ride.. as much as possible.. do mistakes and learn from them.. be your teacher yourself...
        but still if you need some techniques .. well here are the points .. (comprehensive although.. !!)..
        A. acclerating deacclerating..
        1. press the clutch, put the first gear and then release clutch slowly also simultaneously throttling.. if you can match the clutch release and throttling rate.. your are done. but dont pull the throttle faster then clutch otherwise you will be doing wheelie and i dnt think you are ready for it currently..
        2. as you have started moving, now keep on shifting the gears up as and when you reach the limiting rpm.
        3. while shifting down leave the throttle and keep the clutch on. start shifting the gears down dont do this without the clutch pulled. as it will cause the extensive damage to gears ( not applicable it you have tvs jive..)
        B. braking..
        1. front braking is very dangerous for you if you dnt know how to operate it. it should be used very rarely and if at all used then only with rear brakes for better braking.
        2. brakes are not to be applied hard when at high speeds. as it will result into locking of tryes and hence skidding.
        in short...to start these are some basics.. master them .. and practise more..
        as practise makes a man perfect...
        "pain is temporary, pride is forever."

        "sweating today is better than bleeding tommorrow"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by beastlover View Post
          front braking is very dangerous for you "if you dont know how to operate it". it should be used very rarely and if at all used then only with rear brakes for better braking.
          Completely agree on the bold part, esp when there's a oil spill, sand,etc on the road. Having said so, I would like to add that front braking is the most efficient form of braking. I had recently done Mumbai-->Ganpatipule on my friends fazer. Braking with front disc on this bike is spot on, but don't do it while cornering, etc. Don't depend too much on rear brakes either. Since you are learning, i suggest you go through The Art Of Safe Riding - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community . Its has everything you need to know. Just click on the links on top of the page(mind reading, turning, braking).

          P.S. : Its better to learn biking the correct way rather than learning and then having to correct your riding style. Even I was under the illusion that rear braking is the best way, but you are supposed to use it simultaneously with the front brake where the front brake does most of the work. Now you know why SBK's come with dual front disc's and not dual rear disc brakes
          Last edited by crazySID; 01-25-2011, 11:09 AM.
          "To accomplish much you must first loose everything" - Che Guevara

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          • #6
            Thanks for your reply.

            For Engine braking is it advisable not to use accelerator for every down change.

            For Eg:If you are ridding at 60-70 KMPH I am engaging clutch for downshift for engine braking after i get into lower gear without blipping throttle, whether we can do it this way ? because for starting i understood action between clutch and accelerator should be simultaneous, whether this is applicable for down-shifting too...

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            • #7
              Yadav, you being new to biking, do not think in terms of engine braking for now. Just go through owner's manual thoroughly & ride in the speeds your way too comfortable. Besides engine brakings are to be used when one rides in speeds close to triple digits, straights & immediate braking is required. For speeds upto 60/70, the regular disc brakes are more than sufficient if you remain & ride cautiously.
              Skill is what keeps you on a Motorcycle
              Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
              ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day

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              • #8
                apart from the basics of riding a geared motorcycle you can get some of the tips over here.... The Art Of Safe Riding - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community
                Timon: Orange Yamaha FZ16 2009
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                • #9
                  Thanks all , I am getting lot of support and building up my confident level.

                  Today since morning I was practicing, I am getting happy with my ride.

                  I am facing issue with Down shifting and up shifting. At what RPM levels it is advisable to do Gear Up shift and Gear Down shift for Fazer ? normally at which RPM levels engine knocks and required down shift ? Thanks.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by yadav View Post
                    I am facing issue with Down shifting and up shifting. At what RPM levels it is advisable to do Gear Up shift and Gear Down shift for Fazer ? normally at which RPM levels engine knocks and required down shift ? Thanks.
                    Owner's manual, Owner's manual, Owner's manual, go through Owner's manual several times, as much as possible. Read line by line, word by word, understand everything. First, check if this is mentioned over there, if not, then listen to the engine sound carefully & shift down when the rev is low & shift up when the rev is little more. Remember, there's no thumb rule as when one should shift up as long as you don't cross the RED line.
                    Skill is what keeps you on a Motorcycle
                    Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
                    ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day

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                    • #11
                      My humble opinions in bold

                      Originally posted by yadav View Post
                      Hi all,

                      I booked Fazer which will be delivered next week. I was using Honda Activa till date so I have no gear bike riding experience.

                      I practiced some and got some points from friend, I have gone practical with his TVS Star City but I have some points to clarify, hope XBHPians help me

                      He told,
                      1. whenever you get to ride new bike practice to get friction point and wen u achieve it then give acceleration very lightly and then dis-engage the clutch fully followed
                      by acceleration.

                      2. When you riding at gears higher than 1st gear such as 2,3,4,5 dont leave accelerator completely as it my get into Engine brake which makes terrible injury. If you
                      want to stop bike completely Engage Clutch and then apply brakes.

                      I guess he meant the other way as engine brake is severe at smaller gears

                      3. When I drove Star City I found I am not good at braking techniques I used to apply very hard where everytime my Tyre gets locked. , he told me to apply slightly the back brake just a small press half-way and Front bake too featherly wenever
                      u see a signal stopping or slow stopping required.

                      an expert suggested me that a a good rider will should learn to apply the front disc brake properly and efficiently (No skids and short stopping distance) than the rear one (disc or crum)

                      4. During Downhill drive do not engage clutch just leave acceleration completely, will it conflict with 2nd point ???

                      Engine braking is the one you should choose for clutch application as it gives more meachanical advantages and efficient control but the gear in which you shud do it depends entirely on the speed of the bike

                      Currently he went to Thailand will be back after a month so by this time I hope BHP'ians help me.

                      Thanks.

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                      • #12
                        1.) Friction point is where ur clutch starts disengaging.

                        2.) Dont keep the throttle (acclerator) open when u have engaged the clutch. this wears out clutch faster and is not a good practice.

                        3.) Do not throttle bike in neutral

                        4.) To practice braking with front brake. Keep 1 finger on front brake and then ride bike to 15kmph in 2nd gear and brake without using rear brake. Make sure u use only 1 finger. This will give u a hint on how the front brake engages. With time you will start feeling the front disk and apply it as nessasary. Later u can brake with 2 or 3 fingers. 1 finger braking is a good exercise.

                        5.) You can keep the throttle open or close it in downhill. As u wish. Just dont pull the clutch.
                        Street racing is for Squids trying to make up for their small equipment

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by yadav View Post
                          Thanks all , I am getting lot of support and building up my confident level.

                          Today since morning I was practicing, I am getting happy with my ride.

                          I am facing issue with Down shifting and up shifting. At what RPM levels it is advisable to do Gear Up shift and Gear Down shift for Fazer ? normally at which RPM levels engine knocks and required down shift ? Thanks.
                          well.. thats what is matter of great debate i would say..!!
                          say it differs from the purpose you are uing your bike..
                          1. if using in stunting.. make the odo go for highest till red line..??
                          2. going for casual riding.. well dont stess the engine to limits.. be little kind and shift as you think that she is catching on nerves.
                          3.using for racing.. well then you should not reach the max as well not let it low.. perfect timing is of great significance..??

                          as you are beginner i think second point will be relevant to you..!!
                          safe riding..
                          "pain is temporary, pride is forever."

                          "sweating today is better than bleeding tommorrow"

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                          • #14
                            I have one doubt,

                            I was driving at some 35-40 km speed in 3rd gear and suddenly i slowed my vehicle applying brakes and it went to some 15 kmph. Then again I accelerated my bike in 3rd gear from 15 kmph.

                            My question is , whether it is allowed to ride in this way ? or it is necessary to downshift to 2nd gear and start ?

                            Thanks.

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