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    Hi all, I have got my bike serviced yesterday (27-jan-2011). I have made a post also about it here http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/568535-post1100.html

    As mentioned in my post i am facing severe jerking issues which according to the SC guys is due to the some replacement to be done in the clutch plates. But since the engine even used to stall i was worried and made a run to my local mechanic. He inspected the bike & told that there is some problem with the ignition system due to which there is no proper flow of current. I have got the same verified from another mechanic also. But since am facing this problem for the first time in my bike i would like to know what to do to get this problem rectified & whether anyone can tell me if this problem is due to clutch plates or due to the ignition system??


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  • #2
    Query approved.
    (Been There Done That) x 3.25

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    • #3
      my god!!!

      the thread name suggests a different meaning altogether
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      • #4
        @ madhav krishna: banned

        @sunig: infraction given
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        • #5
          Question - Do you experience the jerk when the throttle is closed (decelerate) or when it is opened (accelerate)?

          Originally posted by madhav krishna View Post
          facing severe jerking issues which according to the SC guys is due to the some replacement to be done in the clutch plates.
          What is that "some"? Can you ask & put it here pls?

          Originally posted by madhav krishna View Post
          But since the engine even used to stall i was worried and made a run to my local mechanic.
          Are you saying the vehicle stops while running for no reason as if the fuel is empty? If that's the case, then consider your problem is solved

          Originally posted by madhav krishna View Post
          He inspected the bike & told that there is some problem with the ignition system due to which there is no proper flow of current. I have got the same verified from another mechanic also.
          There're several reasons as why this issue could occur. If you've a friendly neighbourhood mech, then would it be possible to swap the ignition coil from another motorcycle & give a try if the issue is resolved? Regarding the clutch, ask them what that "something" means.

          Do one thing, ride it for about 100+ Kms & post the pic of your spark plug.

          BTW, what motorcycle are we talking about here? I'm no good in astrology

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          Last edited by aargee; 01-27-2011, 02:29 PM.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by darkknight View Post
            my god!!!

            the thread name suggests a different meaning altogether
            Originally posted by xionite View Post
            @ madhav krishna: banned

            @sunig: infraction given
            LOL dint thought of it in that way while deciding the thread name
            Originally posted by aargee View Post
            Question - Do you experience the jerk when the throttle is closed (decelerate) or when it is opened (accelerate)?
            I experience this when the throttle is opened, especially in lower revs. It disappears in higher revs.

            Originally posted by aargee View Post
            What is that "some"? Can you ask & put it here pls?
            They were talking about a clutch spring which isnt working. But i dont think that its anything related to the clutch as this problem started just after the service.
            Originally posted by aargee View Post
            Are you saying the vehicle stops while running for no reason as if the fuel is empty? If that's the case, then consider your problem is solved
            Yes it behaves as if there is no fuel left. While accelerating it behaves as if the fuel tank is empty & starts giving jerks but as soon as the rpm goes up it stops. Sometimes the engine stalls when i press the clutch lever. I hope that my problem is solved.
            Originally posted by aargee View Post
            There're several reasons as why this issue could occur. If you've a friendly neighbourhood mech, then would it be possible to swap the ignition coil from another motorcycle & give a try if the issue is resolved? Regarding the clutch, ask them what that "something" means.
            I cant do that as it would ruin my warranty. The local mech told me that the problem might be arising because of water entering the CDI coil while washing the bike which might have short the wires.
            Originally posted by aargee View Post
            Do one thing, ride it for about 100+ Kms & post the pic of your spark plug.
            Will do it without fail
            Originally posted by aargee View Post
            BTW, what motorcycle are we talking about here? I'm no good in astrology
            Am talking about yamaha gladiator. Since i already gave a link to my post in the ownership thread. I dint care for mentioning the bike name. Sorry for that.
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            • #7
              Ok Madhav, from the cues...
              when the throttle is opened, especially in lower revs. It disappears in higher revs
              AND
              Yes it behaves as if there is no fuel left. While accelerating it behaves as if the fuel tank is empty & starts giving jerks but as soon as the rpm goes up it stops
              AND
              Sometimes the engine stalls when i press the clutch lever
              I'd strongly check the AF mixture in the carb. A poorly tuned carb is BOUND to give this problem. I've been experiencing the same issue with my Rx, but mine is totally a different case as my carbs are bigger & no matter what I do, I'm unable to lean.

              Anyway, coming to your issue, all the above issues can occur, if...
              1. The air entering through airfilter box is insufficient.
              2. The breather hole is not cleaned & there's dirt between the rubber & breather hole underneath the fuel tank cap
              3. A poorly tuned carb. What MIGHT've happened is, the SVC guys would've cleaned the carb, but would've not cleaned the airfilter, so the clean carb expects more air flow which the airfilter is unable to deliver due to dirt
              4. Another 2 possibilities, which I hate saying, they may not even have opened the carb & cleaned OR worst case, a part swap might've happened . Anyway these are extreme thoughts, let's not think about these for now.

              They were talking about a clutch spring which isnt working.
              If I were you, I would've pounced back asking, why the hell they didn't change? If they knew about the issue, what made them fixing it?

              I cant do that as it would ruin my warranty.
              Lol; that is completely wrong. Who told you that? Shows someone is lazy to carry out that work.

              The local mech told me that the problem might be arising because of water entering the CDI coil while washing the bike which might have short the wires
              Quite possible, but that's not CDI coil, its IGNITION coil & water CANNOT seep through CDI that is sealed with epoxy.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by aargee View Post
                I'd strongly check the AF mixture in the carb. A poorly tuned carb is BOUND to give this problem. I've been experiencing the same issue with my Rx, but mine is totally a different case as my carbs are bigger & no matter what I do, I'm unable to lean.
                I have also thought the same & asked the SC guys about it. When i argued a little bit further on this topic they were like "mechanic hum hai ki aap??". And they have made their own conclusion & some non sense story about clutch plates and all.
                Now sir tell me how can i further argue with such people who think themselves as great scholars & think us as fools.
                Originally posted by aargee View Post
                Anyway, coming to your issue, all the above issues can occur, if...
                1. The air entering through airfilter box is insufficient.
                2. The breather hole is not cleaned & there's dirt between the rubber & breather hole underneath the fuel tank cap
                3. A poorly tuned carb. What MIGHT've happened is, the SVC guys would've cleaned the carb, but would've not cleaned the airfilter, so the clean carb expects more air flow which the airfilter is unable to deliver due to dirt
                Sir are you kidding?? Cleaning carb is a far thing but they hardly open even a screw of the carb. They simply clean the filter & adjust the AF ratio. They hardly do anything beyond that towards the engine (except engine oil change & wash)
                4. Another 2 possibilities, which I hate saying, they may not even have opened the carb & cleaned OR worst case, a part swap might've happened . Anyway these are extreme thoughts, let's not think about these for now.
                I strongly agree with your first possibility sir. But about the second possibility the chances are less since i was keeping an eye most of the time on them. Cant say if they have done something when i was outside the SC to attend a call.

                If I were you, I would've pounced back asking, why the hell they didn't change? If they knew about the issue, what made them fixing it?
                Although i dint pounced on them but i did questioned him about the jerks but they told to come after in the next service

                Lol; that is completely wrong. Who told you that? Shows someone is lazy to carry out that work.
                Sir the local mech himself told me this thing. Moreover it was specifically mentioned in the manual. I am fearing that the opening of the engine seal would conflict with the warranty as its not allowed to be done in an unauthorised SC. Opening the engine is a far thing but to avail the warranty i cannot even use an engine oil from outside of my choice. I should only use those oils recommended by the SC. For example i cannot use castrol or shell since they dont allow to & i have to use either motul, agip (only FS & not mineral) or yamalube

                Quite possible, but that's not CDI coil, its IGNITION coil & water CANNOT seep through CDI that is sealed with epoxy.
                Sir am not that good at these technical terms
                Its not like am lazy or something but the matter is that am a student & i have some limits for spending the money & cant afford any harm to the warranty.
                Hope you understand.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by madhav krishna View Post
                  When i argued a little bit...about clutch plates and all
                  Well, don't argue harsh, just snub them or simply smile & talk to the floor manager or the A.S.S head on the issue politely.

                  Originally posted by madhav krishna View Post
                  Sir the local mech himself told me this thing. Moreover...agip (only FS & not mineral) or yamalube
                  Err...I'm not sure you've understood what I'm talking about. Are you saying the owner's manual stated that changing ignition coil voids warranty? Well I don't think so. There's no label or seal for one to change the ignition coil. If you suspect that, take it to Y.A.S.S & tell them you're suspecting the ignition coil or simply change the clutch spring . Changing clutch spring takes more time as one has to drain oil. So easiest they'll do is to check the ignition coil. Stay with them when they do it to see how they're carrying out. One doesn't need to touch engine to change ignition coil, it should be located right under the tank & takes only 15 minutes to change.

                  Originally posted by madhav krishna View Post
                  Sir am not that good at these technical terms
                  Ok, but did you get what I tried to say? Otherwise Google for these terms & understand their basic principles & then you'll understand what I'm talking about. It also helps you build confidence over time

                  PS - Madhav, pls do multi quote when replying, it becomes extremely difficult to copy paste & reply by points here
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                  • #10
                    @argee: warranty void issue means madhav thought you are asking him to ride the bike at speeds of 100+kmph, whereas i think you are asking him to simply ride the bike for 100+ kms at a comfortable speed.

                    there can be problems with water and CDI. whenever i wash my bike, mechanic has to remove the connectors of CDI and dry them otherwise my bike gives similar symtoms, so it might be possible that local mechanic is right. water will not enter the CDI but it can enter CDI connectors. tell your service center to remove CDI completely and make it dry with forced air gun and also tell them to dry the connectors. then see ....it may help.

                    also check the pilot jet of carb......since this happens only at low rpms...

                    also check if idling screw is set properly. your bike should idle at no less than 1200 RPM. you can manually see that if your bike has a tachometer.

                    if there is some problem with clutch spring, they should replace it for free, since it is under warranty. right.
                    but clutch springs hardly go bad.

                    and yes when your problem is solved, do inform us what the actual problem was.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                      @argee: warranty void issue means madhav thought you are asking him to ride the bike at speeds of 100+kmph, whereas i think you are asking him to simply ride the bike for 100+ kms at a comfortable speed.
                      Oh!!! is it? Madhav, I only meant only 100 Kms & not 100 Kmph. But I thought he understood that point

                      Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                      mechanic has to remove the connectors of CDI
                      CDI or battery terminals? IIRC, no one removes the CDI connection before water wash, it will only make matters worse isn't it?

                      Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                      but clutch springs hardly go bad.
                      +1; I'd a 19 yrs old Rx until a few months ago & there were no issues with springs that I've faced so far.

                      Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                      and yes when your problem is solved, do inform us what the actual problem was.
                      +1
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                      Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
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                      • #12
                        I too faced jerking problem with my pulsar 150, but I dont know if the case matches with yours. Mine was like a severe jerk in half clutch, and it was when I switched to castrol from bajaj engine oil. Problem was solved when I switched to another oil. However, what is the age of your bike?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by aargee View Post
                          Well, don't argue harsh, just snub them or simply smile & talk to the floor manager or the A.S.S head on the issue politely.
                          Well i always speak to them politely.


                          Originally posted by aargee View Post
                          Err...I'm not sure you've understood what I'm talking about. Are you saying the owner's manual stated that changing ignition coil voids warranty? Well I don't think so. There's no label or seal for one to change the ignition coil. If you suspect that, take it to Y.A.S.S & tell them you're suspecting the ignition coil or simply change the clutch spring . Changing clutch spring takes more time as one has to drain oil. So easiest they'll do is to check the ignition coil. Stay with them when they do it to see how they're carrying out. One doesn't need to touch engine to change ignition coil, it should be located right under the tank & takes only 15 minutes to change.
                          Will surely try that. I thought that the ignition coil lies beside the engine & for changing that we need to open the engine case which MAY break the warranty if its done at an unauthorised service centre.
                          Originally posted by aargee View Post
                          Ok, but did you get what I tried to say? Otherwise Google for these terms & understand their basic principles & then you'll understand what I'm talking about. It also helps you build confidence over time
                          Yes i did understood sir . I was a lil weak about these technical things like CDI etc. But i do understand them.
                          Originally posted by aargee View Post
                          PS - Madhav, pls do multi quote when replying, it becomes extremely difficult to copy paste & reply by points here
                          Will take care about it from now.
                          Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                          @argee: warranty void issue means madhav thought you are asking him to ride the bike at speeds of 100+kmph, whereas i think you are asking him to simply ride the bike for 100+ kms at a comfortable speed.
                          No dude. I did get aargee's point. I was saying that the opening of engine seal might void the warranty.
                          Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                          there can be problems with water and CDI. whenever i wash my bike, mechanic has to remove the connectors of CDI and dry them otherwise my bike gives similar symtoms, so it might be possible that local mechanic is right. water will not enter the CDI but it can enter CDI connectors. tell your service center to remove CDI completely and make it dry with forced air gun and also tell them to dry the connectors. then see ....it may help.

                          also check the pilot jet of carb......since this happens only at low rpms...
                          Thanks dude i will get it checked it ASAP
                          Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                          also check if idling screw is set properly. your bike should idle at no less than 1200 RPM. you can manually see that if your bike has a tachometer.
                          The bike does idle above 1200 RPM
                          Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                          if there is some problem with clutch spring, they should replace it for free, since it is under warranty. right.
                          but clutch springs hardly go bad.
                          This is where i was having doubt since no bike's clutch spring goes bad so early (at just 10k kms) & this problem arised just after the service.
                          Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                          and yes when your problem is solved, do inform us what the actual problem was.
                          Sure
                          Originally posted by aargee View Post
                          Oh!!! is it? Madhav, I only meant only 100 Kms & not 100 Kmph. But I thought he understood that point
                          Not at all. I understood your point in first time only. I was talking about the ignition coil replacement thing which MIGHT void the warranty.


                          Originally posted by Mecho View Post
                          I too faced jerking problem with my pulsar 150, but I dont know if the case matches with yours. Mine was like a severe jerk in half clutch, and it was when I switched to castrol from bajaj engine oil. Problem was solved when I switched to another oil. However, what is the age of your bike?
                          I dint changed any engine oil brands man. I was earlier using agip & used it again now also. So its not any problem due to engine oil. BTW my bike is just 10k kms & 16 months old.
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                          • #14
                            It could be as simple as breather pipe disconnected . Go and check if the breather pipe is disconnected/not connected securely or removed from the air box ?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by nfsnfs View Post
                              It could be as simple as breather pipe disconnected . Go and check if the breather pipe is disconnected/not connected securely or removed from the air box ?
                              Will check it soon. Thanks for the suggestion man
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