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    Hey Fellow xBHPians,
    I noticed following 3 things during this weekend and am perplexed with them. Hope to get some feedback from you guys.

    1. I was changing the front fork oil of my Pulsar, and bought a bottle of Motul fork oil (350mL). I remember that for every oil change you need 2 bottles, but this time, the shop owner handed me a bottle and said it will do. I took it to the service station and the guy there, poured 150 mL of fork oil in a measuring cup and added 150 mL of 20W40 (made it to 300). When he I asked him about this, he said this is the right and efficient way to do it. I m APPALLED. Is this something that you guys too do ?

    2. As we all know Shell has 2 petrol variants. Unleaded and Super Unleaded. Off late I m not able to distinguish difference between them when I ride. Performance wise there is absolutely no "significant" difference. Given the astronomical price I really want to get to the bottom of this. Has someone noticed this recently ?

    3. While servicing my bike I also saw Wurth disk brake cleaners. Has anyone tried this before ? I used to use Motul in France, but Wurth was something I did not come across for longtime since. Is this after market product specific to OEM and not for general consumer's ?

    All feedback's are welcome and much appreciated.
    Cheers and happy revving.
    Safe riding prolongs life (bike & rider & public)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Prith View Post
      Hey Fellow xBHPians,
      I noticed following 3 things during this weekend and am perplexed with them. Hope to get some feedback from you guys.

      1. I was changing the front fork oil of my Pulsar, and bought a bottle of Motul fork oil (350mL). I remember that for every oil change you need 2 bottles, but this time, the shop owner handed me a bottle and said it will do. I took it to the service station and the guy there, poured 150 mL of fork oil in a measuring cup and added 150 mL of 20W40 (made it to 300). When he I asked him about this, he said this is the right and efficient way to do it. I m APPALLED. Is this something that you guys too do ?

      3. While servicing my bike I also saw Wurth disk brake cleaners. Has anyone tried this before ? I used to use Motul in France, but Wurth was something I did not come across for longtime since. Is this after market product specific to OEM and not for general consumer's ?

      All feedback's are welcome and much appreciated.
      Cheers and happy revving.
      Disk Brake cleaners are not essential for the maintenance of disk brakes as the brakes are self cleaning.
      I dont think engine oil should be mixed with the fork oil and 20w40 is way too thick for putting in the forks.
      Never upgrade without getting your basics RIGHT.

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      • #4
        AFAIK...............fork oil is not mixed with anything....
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        • #5
          Front fork oils available in the market are usually 5wt to 10wt oils ( not sure about the motul's weight ) . It is common to use a heavier oil like 20wt to stiffen up a too-soft front fork that bottoms out easily . This can also compensate for a) heavier bike b) bad roads c) heavy rider . It was once common to use engine oil in the fork and a 10w30 works nicely , because it is a 10wt base oil only . The original honda manual for CT90/CUb , asks to use the same oil for it's engine and front forks ( a 10w30 ) . However a 20w40 would probably be a bit too heavy and make the fork too stiff , by itself . So your mechanic has mixed it with the lighter fork oil to arrive at an intermediate weight (like say 15) from his personal experience . Ride the bike and observe if the fork has become too stiff for your liking . If so change it . If it feels ok , let it be . Oil is oil , no harm .
          Also consider this - mechanics love shortcuts ; any mechanic would have used the oil you bought him straight away , would have been easier for him to , no complains . That he has taken all this faltu trouble to do this chemisty , at the risk of losing a good customer for future, means that probably he confidently knows what he is doing .
          Last edited by Pinaki; 05-30-2011, 02:39 AM.

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          • #6
            @jasmeet: Thanks Jasmeet. This time I saw this guy in service station replacing my brake pads and he cleaned the whole brake unit with Wurth cleaner. It actually was so wet that I could see the gunk literally dripping out of the unit. I used to clean with Motul cleaner, but never saw so much gunk as I saw this time around. Not sure if my brake pads were chewed up.

            @prince: thanks bro, I agree completely with you. I remember buying 2 cans of oil for fork service. 1 can per arm.

            @pinaki: Thanks Pinaki. As you said he would have used his intelligence to "Weigh" in options . I m 6 foot tall and little over the scale... Just kidding, but all seems to be well as of now. Though fork action has not been compromised, I m worried about its performance during high speed impact. Since fork oils do both lubrication and absorb impact, I hope my form arms dont collapse.
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            • #7
              Given the astronomical price I really want to get to the bottom of this. Has someone noticed this recently
              Go for the high end variants of fuel only when your CR is more than, say 10. Otherwise, a normal good, unadulterated fuel is more than sufficient.

              I used to use Motul in France, but Wurth was something I did not come across for longtime since. Is this after market product specific to OEM and not for general consumer's
              Boy!!! Wurth is a German company & they make anything from screws to tools to automotive care. Just Google for Wurth & see the millions of product that they make.

              Prince - What was that post meant for? All of us including the thread starter knows fork oil isn't mixed with anything
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              • #8
                ^^ aargee......first post had three querries..........one of them being....whether it is ok to mix fork oil with engine oil..........so, i replied to that.........

                read the post by Pinaki, he says fork oil is often mixed with other oil..........hence this discussion on fork oil...
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                Kaas Plateu & Thoseghar Waterfalls
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                • #9
                  @aargee: I was caught off guard with this "desi" chemistry of engine oil and fork oil mix . you dont see such exquisite workmanship often. Coming to Wurth products, are they OEM distributors only ? I do see their products in Shell bunks, but they dont have the ones the we biker's need . Like chain cleaners, disk cleaners..etc. Do you know any outlets in Chennai offering their range, cause I visit Chennai often and can pick up from there.
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                  • #10
                    Prince & Pinaki - Whoever says fork oil is mixed with something or other...I don't know what to say!!! May God bless the poor soul!!!
                    Skill is what keeps you on a Motorcycle
                    Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
                    ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                      AFAIK...............fork oil is not mixed with anything....
                      +1^^ Didn't heard of this before. Fork oil mixed with engine oil? NO way for that.

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                      • #12
                        Aargee & Aneesh , let me throw another wrench into this mess .... Many guys use ATF (automatic transmission fluid ) as fork oil too . And if anyone has the original Enfield Bullet manual , check if 10w30 is not the recommended fork oil there ? 10w30 motor oil is also the fork liquid called for by the Honda CB250 - CB750K manuals . Oil is Oil guys , stop being finicky about it .
                        Last edited by Pinaki; 05-30-2011, 06:53 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by aargee View Post
                          Prince & Pinaki - Whoever says fork oil is mixed with something or other...I don't know what to say!!! May God bless the poor soul!!!
                          thats what i was saying...........
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                          All India xBhp Couple Riders Thread

                          Ashtavinayak + Shirdi
                          Purandar
                          Raigad
                          Dapoli
                          Aurangabad
                          Kaas Plateu & Thoseghar Waterfalls
                          Purandar

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                            Oil is Oil guys , stop being finicky about it .
                            So can we see your report on using brake oil inside your engine instead of whatever specified XW-Y engine oil?

                            Prince -
                            Skill is what keeps you on a Motorcycle
                            Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
                            ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by aargee View Post
                              Prince & Pinaki - Whoever says fork oil is mixed with something or other...I don't know what to say!!! May God bless the poor soul!!!

                              hehehe... .. all blessings MUCH needed.

                              Oil is Oil guys , stop being finicky about it .
                              Yeah. I liked this Pinaki. I have travelled ~ 45 Kms till now with the molatov cocktail in my front forks and all seems well except that recoil is little slow and much consistent and speed breakers are a pleasure to scale..vibration in handle bar has reduced considerably.

                              Guys, let me run my bike this way for a week and will get the progress card for your perusal on Saturday..lets see how things turn up... CHEERS
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