Query Approved.

there are dedicated threads in "universal threads" section for

• HID's and
• AC to DC conversion.

you can use them.

Queries about HID Projector.

Dear princesirohi,





So could you kindly suggest which HID Kit I should go ahead with that can serve my purpose and can perfectly fit into my Bajaj Discover 125CC DTSi? I am looking forward to buy Xenon HID Kit (Rs. 3'000/-) 8000K Iceberg blue (Kindly check the attached photo to refer).

Also, what is the difference between an HID Kit - Plug & Play system & HID Kit with Relay cutout system that somebody suggested me to go with since plug & play would not work on my Bajaj Discover 125CC DTSi bike, is this true?




Regards,
Apoorva.

As long as you are not using high beams in city riding no cop will stop you for light. HID can be perfectly used with the standard reflector however if you are concerned about oncoming drivers use the projector setup with HID. I would suggest you to use nothing more than 6000k temperature if you really are in need of illuminating the road. anything above that temperature is a showoff.
You will need to use the relay cutout system as discover does not have dc circuit. You will have to convert it and give power from battery. To avoid failure of HID relay system has to be used via switch.

your absolutely right apoorva..

i have dual hid's 1 for low beam and the other for high...
this was one of my earlier post just have a look...



this is how i set it up..



however a single bixenon projector wouldn't give you a very good high beam...
hence i have a dedicated reflector to take care of that as my projector is a single beam one...
in my opinion, go for a bixenon projector as its a comparatively easier process in installing...

you can have a look at sajjts thread, he has done it successfully...

8000k is too blue, it won't look good.
try to stay below 6000k if you are considering brightness, its tried and tested that 4300k is the best in brightness than ANY OTHER TEMP HID....

decide what you want .....
btw, it your bike running on DC ???

Dear Nano,

Hi There! Thanks for your reply! Well, I first had an interest of going for an HID Kit with color temp of 6000K in order to get complete bright white light however, I later felt that most of the vehilce on street of Mumbai have this white light HID installed so maybe I go ahead and include a variety by going for 8000K Iceberg blue which is neither much blue now much white but balanced. But, is it a legal to have 8000K Temp HID Kit as per traffic law in Mumbai?





http://cgi.ebay.in/HID-Xenon-Kit-Bikes-KARIZMA-FZ16-R15-FZS-FAZER-ETC-/320603787870?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item4aa5 79925e



Kindly help me out please as I am completely stranger to HID Kit system with no idea at all!!!!

I seriously need all of your help and co-operation in this regards please since you all are well trained experts!!!

Regards,
Apoorva.

3 grand for a HID kit is expensive..

you need to understand a difference between HID bulb and Projector first..

Your bike is not DC.
you will have to make it all DC..

a relay is not a CUT-OFF, a shied in the projector is cut off.
a relay is an electrical device, similar to a filter used in taps to provide a better water flow...
relay has to do with the wiring, while the cut off in the projector is to do with low beam...

get the basics right first...
in my opinion, do not go for this HID kit sold by ebay (its expensive) and PLEASE so not go for 8000k i bet you will be unhappy with it...

you need to learn how to make your bike to DC first, you need to rewind the stator coil and so on...

Dear Apoorva,If you don't have the knowledge then get it through this forum,AND THEN go for the mod.Otherwise you will end up messing up your bike badly. For starters try increasing the Stator coil Ampere capacity,by rewinding with thicker gauge copper wire.(MAY BE 19 SWG,SAME NUMBER OF TURNS).Then try to go for a 55/60 Halogen. This is a simple mod which will give you good light.Do not go for WHITE Light as their penetration in Smog or smoke is poor. Stick to Yellowish light.(below 6K).You can get your mechanic to do it or get the stator out and give it to any coil winding guy and get it done.INCREASE ONLY THE THICKNESS OF WIRE ,DO NOT INCREASE THE NUMBER OF TURNS.DO it only for the lighting and charging coil.
If your Bike is still under warranty do not attempt this.

buddy.
you need to know the basics first which i believe you do by now.

you will have to buy a new RR unit, and get the coil rewinded so that your battery remains nicely charged even with 2 hid's used together.

the rewinded coil WILL NOT SUPPORT your current rr, it will be made to support the new APE RR itself part number-ED22158

i hope you know by now what to do.
let HID come later on, its nothing to do with what bike you ride, HID is of many types, some are projectors and so on, if you are planning for projectors you'll have to cut your reflector to accommodate it.

first and the foremost, get the coil thing done and make your bike full dc, lets talk about HID stuff after STEP 1 is clear ..

Dear Nanon,







a)
b) Will get the Coil Rewinded so that it can charge the battery nicely.





Thanks,
Apooeca

Buddy, your getting it all wrong.

your current RR unit (the battery charger in layman's terms that gives current to the battery on running the engine) is AC + DC.
as your stator coil (the current generator inside the engine) is made in such a way that it works uniquely to support your current RR itself.

so what you have to do is, make the stator coil (generator) in such a way that it gives massive amount of current uniquely to the battery, not to the bulb, as your bulb will be driven by your battery (DC)

to make that massive amount of current reach your Battery you will need a RR unit of PIAGGIO'S APE 3 WHEELER

which is this






so all you need in LAYMAN'S terms is grab the RR unit (battery charger) of the above vehicle available at not bajaj, but at PIAGGIO'S service center.

make your coil suitable to support that RR unit (by rewinding) and then convert your bike to full dc.

the RR unit as well as the coil rewinding CANNOT BE DONE AT BAJAJ SVC.

i hope i cleared all your doubts, if in case i didn't than i have a better option for you, as i myself live in Mumbai, we can meet up someday at a coffee shop or something and i can explain you everything in detail.

i hope this really helped.

and i really wish too that you have that diamond blue light that you fancy looking at other bikes.

The new Bajaj Discover has got an all DC Setup, can we not get the RR unit and the coil from this? Will that support the bulb that Apoorva is mentioning. I own a Discover 125 2006 model and planning to get some good lighting. Will keep a tab on this thread.

Hi Nano! What Guru DTSi mentioned is also correct! Kindly provide yr advice please so that I can go ahead and purchase it from Bajaj Service Center. Also, I want to install a new horn in my discover bike. Could you kindly suggest any better horn please?

I had purchased a pair of Skoda horn from Kurla Market 1 and half month back for Rs. 220/- however, few days back, these horn stopped working. I took it to a mechanic who suggested to change the cutout which I did and when that mechanic tried to fit the 4 clippings on this horn, it sparked and some smoke came out of it. So, after this, the mechanic said that the horn has died and replace it. Now, I wonder if it really was the fault of the horn or did the mechanic make any mistake in attaching the clips properly?

Regards,
Apoorva.

well.
if the current version os discover 125 is FULL DC. then its rr and coil can be used.
but tell me how much well an rr and the coil cost totally ??
new rr is roughly equal to 900 rs and another 500 to 600 for the coil.
and what current will be generated will again be good for STOCK HEADLAMP ONLY

if you guys are hoping for hid's it needs ample amount of current and very healthy battery all the time.
i have seen some Fz guys and even R15 guys with full dc bikes and dual lamps by stock (r15) still they face battery draining issues using hid's.

my current coil is generating enough current to keep 2 hid's ON at all the time and still battery is getting CHARGED instead of discharging.

a re-winding will cost 300 rupees and it can generate more enough than any stock coil available in this country.

rr is costing 900 (ape RR).

you decide what to do !!
i suggest keep up with the experts here in xbhp (not me), people here have tried almost everything from years now, and finally have settled down with 1 thing, as a personal experience its the best way to run hid's..


and regarding the horn, i believe that the mech did a mistake and killed the horn.
i suggest buy good quality horns from autopal or bosch.
it sounds loud and is reliable too.