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  • P180 UGIV-Mysterious Self-Start Problem! :(

    Hi!
    I have a Pulsar 180cc, Crimson Red, UGIV bought on 1.1.2010, clocked 17K.

    I have this weird problem with the bike. It started happening a 3 months ago.
    one day I started the bike with the self-start. It didn't. I tried 3 times, but still, it gave back no positive response. The Self kept on going without the engine kicking in even once. Petrol was almost 8 litres. usually, when you push the self-start, the RPM needle moves a little bit around 500rpm, and when the engine ignites, the rpm needle revs up when we turn the throttle. But in my case, the rpm needle remained still.
    Now, I showed to a local mechanic, who took out the spark plug and saw that there was no spark. I had BlackCat security installed. He advised me to remove that. I agreed. Still the bike didn't start.
    Then pulled out the petrol pipe and said that the petrol might have been clogged.
    miraculously the bike started.
    i took the bike to Bajaj's authorised service station near my home, in Rohini, Delhi.
    The service guy there asked me to get rid of the petrol lock i had installed since the day I bought the bike, as the cases of petrol theft were on an increase in my locality.
    It had been more than a year with that petrol lock, and I didn't think of any reason why would it give any problems NOW! Its a mechanical part, not an electronic or electrical part that might fail.
    Anyways, I still allowed him to get rid of the petrol lock. The bike started.
    Again, after a month or so, the same problem. Tried self-start for almost 10 times. No result. Local mechanic. He opened up the bike fullly. Removed the petrol tank and everything. Nothing happened. When he did put back everything, the bike started miraculously, yet again!!
    Such incidents repeated with me every now and then for the past 5 months now..
    Sometimes the bike started after I switched off the ignition and let it stand for about 10-15 minutes. Sometimes, it didn't.
    Recently, the Bajaj authorized service centre guy asked me to get the rotor coil changed. It costed somewhere around 1600rs+taxes. I got it changed, with a heavy heart, of course. (i am not the one with deep pockets, )

    Since then, the problem vanished. I was satisfied with it.
    but then again, a couple of weeks ago, the problem surfaced again. I was fed up now. SERIOUSLY!

    Sometimes the bike stopped midway into the journey too. The RPM needle used to go from 4 or 5, to ZERO in an instant..
    Everything made me MAD!
    My friend suggested me to boggle the bike like a scooter.
    I was so enraged by this behaviour of this bike, that I vigorously boggled the bike from left to right while it was on its center stand.
    VOILA! The bike started.

    Now whenever that happened, I boggled the bike, and it started.
    Then I took this bike to the same Bajaj Service Center in Rohini who changed the rotor coil. He said he would check, but that problem shouldn't come now.
    I got the bike back today, and believe me, from the morning, till the evening, the bike stopped 5 times.. twice in the middle of the road, and 3 times on red lights, while idling after I rode the bike at speeds exceeding 70-80kmph.
    This comes to me as a surprise as I have spent so much on this bike. And still, no service centre, or mechanic could find any solution to this problem of mine.

    Please help me out on this, or atleast guide me to the right spot.

    i was tuly fed up with this, and was about to sell off the bike for 45K. But then, it was my hard earned money, and I didn't want to give up on this bike without a hard fight!

    please Please please Please....

    HELP ME!!

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    • #3
      ahh...the 4-5k rpm and then 0 pblm eh???
      Hmm I see, well dude just check your spark plug alignment. At times the threading out there goes upside down(happens wen you forcefully or with excessive presure screw the spark plug in)... remove it get it cleaned with sand paper and while fixing it back go slow on it, turn by turn, also clean the spark plug chamber with WD-40 or zorrick.....and check!!!
      The same thing happend wid me after the bajaj SVC guy installed them in wrong manner.
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      • #4
        Sounds like the Ignition coil is malfunctioning here. Get it checked through a mechanic. Else check the spark plug cables or have you tried changing the spark plugs??

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        • #5
          Can it be a cdi problem...?
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          • #6
            ^^ +1 - Can be CDI


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            • #7
              i too think that problem lies somewhere in electrical ckt. , but just to be sure, first get your carb cleaned, also check if there is any water in petrol tank.

              these two things, once eliminated, focus on electrical part.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Eshan-P180 View Post
                ahh...the 4-5k rpm and then 0 pblm eh???
                Hmm I see, well dude just check your spark plug alignment. At times the threading out there goes upside down(happens wen you forcefully or with excessive presure screw the spark plug in)... remove it get it cleaned with sand paper and while fixing it back go slow on it, turn by turn, also clean the spark plug chamber with WD-40 or zorrick.....and check!!!
                The same thing happend wid me after the bajaj SVC guy installed them in wrong manner.
                I thoroughly got it checked from a Bajaj Authorised Workshop.
                But there seems to be no current in the spark plug itself. Though the battery is fine, charged up properly. But there isn't any spark igniting through the spark plug.
                Spark Plug is fit comfortably there..

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by abhichotu.abhi View Post
                  Sounds like the Ignition coil is malfunctioning here. Get it checked through a mechanic. Else check the spark plug cables or have you tried changing the spark plugs??
                  The Bajaj Authorised Workshop guy asked me to get the Ignition Coil (or is it called the Ignition Plate?) changed.. for Rs.1600/-
                  he said, that there might be some problem with the electrical stuff like the CDI or something..
                  I got the Ignition Coil changed, and even had it tried with another CDI, but the response was the same.. for the past few days, it doesn't start! Its sitting idle at the authorised workshop in Rohini..
                  Sometimes it starts up, but as soon as you kill the ignition and try starting it again, it doesn't!!

                  As I said, MYSTERIOUS!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ARNandal View Post
                    Can it be a cdi problem...?
                    Yeah.. thinking about this, I even asked the mechanic to try with another CDI, but the results were the same!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                      i too think that problem lies somewhere in electrical ckt. , but just to be sure, first get your carb cleaned, also check if there is any water in petrol tank.

                      these two things, once eliminated, focus on electrical part.

                      Day before yesterday I got it fully serviced!!
                      Now the petrol tank is all cleaned up, as it was standing open during rains here..
                      Though there wasn't much contamination there..
                      Still, having serviced it, cleansing and tuning up of everything done to perfection.. Still the problem looms..

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                      • #12
                        A couple of minutes ago, my friend suggested me to take this bike to the place where I bought it from. But thats like 15kms from where I live. So I decided to call the Service Incharge of Bagga Link, one of the franchisee holder of Bajaj in Delhi, whose showroom in Karol Bagh was the place I bought my bike from..
                        He says that I need to get it to one of their workshops. Right now, Rithala, is the closest I can get it, and that too by having someone on a scooter/bike to push it with his leg..
                        Seems tough indeed..

                        Anyways, I am going there today..
                        Rest I hope everything gets fine soon!
                        Will update here as soon as those guys come up with a solution to this problem of mine!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by shanxthechashmish View Post
                          A couple of minutes ago, my friend suggested me to take this bike to the place where I bought it from. But thats like 15kms from where I live. So I decided to call the Service Incharge of Bagga Link, one of the franchisee holder of Bajaj in Delhi, whose showroom in Karol Bagh was the place I bought my bike from..
                          He says that I need to get it to one of their workshops. Right now, Rithala, is the closest I can get it, and that too by having someone on a scooter/bike to push it with his leg..
                          Seems tough indeed..

                          Anyways, I am going there today..
                          Rest I hope everything gets fine soon!
                          Will update here as soon as those guys come up with a solution to this problem of mine!
                          Try the Kirti Nagar PBK service centre. They do service P180, P150. Explain everything to the Sr technician, Dayaramji.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rx100.7050 View Post
                            Try the Kirti Nagar PBK service centre. They do service P180, P150. Explain everything to the Sr technician, Dayaramji.
                            I wish I could. My friend gets his p200 serviced from there only, and I've seen their work, they do a fantastic job for sure!
                            But the problem right now is that the bike doesn't START..
                            Can those guys pick the bike from my home??

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                            • #15
                              Ok.. So here it is...
                              I had someone on a scooter to push my bike with his leg.. And this is how I transported my p180 to the Rithala service centre.
                              Those guys kept it and gave it to me in the evening..

                              They told me that there was some earthing problem in the BLACK wire near the CDI, which they have taped, and now this problem won't surface again.

                              I rode the bike long enough and kept it back at home.

                              In the morning I travelled about 4-5 kms, and then as I was going through Rohini area about 11am today, I was at a red light, and killed the ignition.
                              Then I tried to start the bike, but it didn't!

                              It stalled again!!

                              After a few more tries, I kept it idle.

                              Then after another minute of waiting, I tried the self start, and it started. To this, I thought of giving it back to the service guys, as it hasn't even been 24 hours of the service, and still the problem persisted..

                              I wonder, what did they do there?!!

                              Miraculously the bike didn't stall when I took it to the service station.

                              But as I was coming back, I had already ridden 16kms for the day, and was almost near my home, just about 2 kms more, and the bike stalled again!!

                              A peculiar thing happened with the bike.
                              I engaged the main stand, and waited for 15 minutes, but still it didn't start..

                              Then I put it on the side stand, and started the self instantly, it started..
                              I climbed, threw back the side stand, pushed the gear lever, and wrung the throttle a little, IT STALLED!

                              Now, everytime I am keeping the bike on its side stand, it starts, but as I keep it vertical, it stops..!!

                              Now what should I do? I called them up, and they said, we would pick the bike from your home tomorrow, and would look into it, what does the problem seems to be..

                              Even after giving a solution earlier, they are still saying that we would find the solution to this problem, means simply that they didn't do anything with the bike last time, only then is the problem arising again!!

                              What bullshit people are there in this Bagga Link's Service centres..!!

                              PLEASE!
                              ANY IDEAS ON THIS?

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