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    hello everyone
    i have a problem with my activa(clocked 50K on the odo)

    we all know we should accelerate slowly and steadly and should avoid sudden accelerations

    sometimes we have a situation when we are in a hurry or want to overtake this freakishly slow truck in front of us and we twist the throttle a little more

    when i do this...twist it harder than usual this engine knocking happens..the metallic sound coming from the engine.....when i ease up on the throttle its gone...so what do u guys suggest? i always use the premium fuel so not the case of low octane fuel

    as its been driven 50K kms i was thinking about getting the engine opened up and get it decarbonised and get the valve clearnaces checked and set...

    any other suggestions...what would be the approx cost for this...

    few weeks back also had this problem of engine stalling on idle(ie. even after a 10-15 min ride but it has somehow stopped now) and no amount of kicks would start this scooter...got the carb tuned a tons of times...it kept happening again and also got the clutch cover changed recently(some slot was damaged may be due to excessive kicking or the kicker hadnt retracted completely and i tried self starter and stuff)

    on the other hand i plan to buy a new pulsar 135 (will keep the activa as its great for travelling with a pillion and luggage...do you guys think its fine to invest in repair work as i am tired of spending more on maintenance than on fuel)

    what are these bajaj niggling issues that everyone everywhere keeps talking about...
    friends suggest me go for SZR or stunner and everyone suggests the "UNICORN" and GS150R...why shud i stay away from p135? and if i buy it what care must be taken??

    i learnt riding a bike recently on a friends 1 year old bajaj discover and felt its great..didnt feel any harsh ride(may be i'm cause i just graduated from a gearless scooter to a bike) except for the hard clutch...so i keep wondering why does everyone have an issue with bajaj bikes and especialy pulsars(ironically there are more pulsars on the road than any other bike still people keep cursing it)

    thanks for the patience to read the long post...
    Last edited by mayank.travadi; 03-17-2012, 11:36 PM.
    Pulsar 200NS parts list
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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    Query approved
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    • #3
      Im not sure about ur activa problem. I too have an activa at my home but its not driven that much and so these problems are not identified.

      Coming back to P135, there are some or the other issue with each and every bike. It may come from any stable. I too own a stunner but there are problem with that bike like vibrations above 60, spare parts not readily available, too short geared etc. My take on the P135 is that its the only bike which gives you best combination of Mileage & Power which no other bike can match seriously. Its a 4-valve high revving motor having acceleration better than many 150cc's and mileage better than any 150cc bike. Even better than most 125cc bikes.
      One con I would say is to me it does not look so attractive but looks are in the eye of beholder so if u like the looks well and good. The engine may not be as refined as Unicorn ofcourse and even SZ-R but is still decent (and better than other pulsars) as it was a new pulsar motor.
      Its not true that every1 curses pulsars esp P135 but if you see the reality the curse comes from most of the ppl who have never owned a pulsar. Some ppl would also curse it since they already spend more on the overpriced competition products. So they get complacent by cursing P135 as its the best VFM product available. Test ride one. Its worth it.
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      • #4
        well i am riding the activa for over a year now and i'm bored...

        Originally posted by Enthusiastic View Post
        My take on the P135 is that its the only bike which gives you best combination of Mileage & Power which no other bike can match seriously. Its a 4-valve high revving motor having acceleration better than many 150cc's and mileage better than any 150cc bike. Even better than most 125cc bikes
        THATS THE EXACT REASON WHY I LIKE THIS BIKE.....

        i dont know if i'm right but i think if i want complete smoothness and comfort i'd be better off with a car...

        and i personally like the P135 looks...well i want the 200ns but i'd rather start with the smaller bike first and graduate to the higher...browsing thru help me sections makes my head dizzy on how complicated bike problems are(sprocket balancer tappet blah blah blah...the list goes on...)so the smaller bike is good...

        one of my friend owned a p220(dumped it for a cbr250r) and he suggested me against the p135...he said when u get a pulsar in ur hand...u rip it...and then the bajaj bike cant take a lot of ripping and the bike dies an early age...

        and other thing that keeps me away from honda yamaha bikes are poor service and parts availablity issue
        once i was suggested at ASC to get a major engine overhaul..they said my crank shaft is bent and so the self starter will give problem and drain the battery very quickly(whats the logic between the two?) and then i went to the local mechanic and the problem found was with the starter benedex and he told me there isnt a rupee worth of repairing work in ur engine...its running great...
        Pulsar 200NS parts list
        https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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        • #5
          ^^ Might be some relation between the two. Not quite sure. But you don't need to be a master in these things to maintain a product. The SVCs will take care of it. I kind of agree that if you rip it off it won't respond correctly but if you take care and have regular servicing it will respond well for sure. Some people have experienced problems but on the other hand I have also seen people doing 1lakh+ kms on their pulsars but not having any major issues. People have done SSTKs(1600kms in some limited time) also on the pulsars.
          It would be best if you post ur queries in the ownership thread of P135. We have some amazing xbhpians who would help you out.

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          • #6
            From my experience I would say you need to check..
            1. the timing (also vaccum line leaks can effect the timing at different RPMs)
            2. Sparkplugs (for proper gap and clean or replace)
            3. Fuel (for low octane or water)
            4. Carbon build up due to leaking rings or gaskets entering the cylinder as the heat expands the engine block

            Good luck.


            about p135,it is absolute vfm,go for it,also have a look at rtr,cbz and fz.
            and the question remains why do i race?
            every finishing line is the begining of a new race.

            #i have learnt to manipulate my own adrenaline and the perception of biking is different.
            #overkill is underrated.
            #how random roads may appear there is always a destination.sigpic
            #i don't subscribe to co-incidence,either it is the rider or the other moron on the road

            (:)people keeps on saying add spark to life, bajaj got hold of that idea and added an extra spark to bike.

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            • #7
              yeah about the bent crankshaft,check it out at asc,it is obvious if you crank it will drain out battery.
              and the question remains why do i race?
              every finishing line is the begining of a new race.

              #i have learnt to manipulate my own adrenaline and the perception of biking is different.
              #overkill is underrated.
              #how random roads may appear there is always a destination.sigpic
              #i don't subscribe to co-incidence,either it is the rider or the other moron on the road

              (:)people keeps on saying add spark to life, bajaj got hold of that idea and added an extra spark to bike.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mayank.travadi View Post
                when i do this...twist it harder...what would be the approx cost for this...
                1. Metallic sound, I don't know
                2. Premium fuel - Not required
                3. The culprit for this issue are with the clutch/clutch parts (like the springs); get your vehicle very thoroughly checked & tested to your satisfaction from the ASC & you'll soon have a brand new like Activa.

                Originally posted by mayank.travadi View Post
                few weeks back also had this problem...and i tried self starter and stuff)
                1. Replace the fuel hose connecting the tank-carb & check
                2. Kicker issue is due to worn out gear tooth; replace
                Last edited by aargee; 03-18-2012, 01:59 PM.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mayank.travadi View Post
                  well i am riding the activa for over a year now and i'm bored...

                  one of my friend owned a p220(dumped it for a cbr250r) and he suggested me against the p135...he said when u get a pulsar in ur hand...u rip it...and then the bajaj bike cant take a lot of ripping and the bike dies an early age...

                  and other thing that keeps me away from honda yamaha bikes are poor service and parts availablity issue
                  Well, aargee sir has answered almost all your Activa related Q's.
                  Coming to P135 - Its a superb steed.
                  You admitted it yourself in the post above that its the best combi of looks, power and mileage.
                  Coming to ur P220 friend - that is a wrong notion.
                  U can rip a Kinetic Zing (63cc) for that matter.

                  Just ensure that u complete the running-in phase properly. Plus, maintain the bike like your own child. Then no problems will crop up.
                  Else even a litre class will irritate you!

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                  • #10
                    yeah about the bent crankshaft,check it out at asc,it is obvious if you crank it will drain out battery.
                    well i replied in one of the posts i showed my activa to a local mech and the problem was with the starter bendex and the battery is completely fine and didnt even have to get it charged/topped up/etc since the last 6-8 months
                    once i was suggested at ASC to get a major engine overhaul..they said my crank shaft is bent and so the self starter will give problem and drain the battery very quickly(whats the logic between the two?) and then i went to the local mechanic and the problem found was with the starter benedex and he told me there isnt a rupee worth of repairing work in ur engine...its running great...
                    any idea what wud be the cost of the engine decarbonisation...??
                    and the vacuum line leaks...i will have to talk to the asc abt it as i heard the term for the first time...ZERo knowledge(is all this stuff covered in regular service?)


                    1. Metallic sound, I don't know
                    2. Premium fuel - Not required
                    metallic sound i guess is the engine knocking and i once shifted to regular fuel but didnt enjoy the ride...the next time i filled premium and it felt alright..may be thats just my mind...

                    1. Replace the fuel hose connecting the tank-carb & check
                    2. Kicker issue is due to worn out gear tooth; replace
                    had got the clutch cover ad kicker stuff repaired during december...i dont think it wud have worn out that fast...the kicker gives problem only during start in the morning or after a wait for 3-4 hours or more...

                    will get the fuel line checked...


                    what exactly is done during the regular service? is all this checked? fuel lines clutch springs(or whatever its called) vacuum lines valve clearances etc??
                    Pulsar 200NS parts list
                    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                    • #11
                      It would be best if you post ur queries in the ownership thread of P135. We have some amazing xbhpians who would help you out.
                      yes i do frequently go through that page and a member had completed some saddlesore with the p135...i find most of the owners are satisfied...just was concerned because people outside the internet advise me against pulsars...may be u are right...its mostly from non pulsar owners

                      about p135,it is absolute vfm,go for it,also have a look at rtr,cbz and fz.
                      p135 is within my range of 60-65K bucks..others are quite higher...

                      Coming to P135 - Its a superb steed.
                      You admitted it yourself in the post above that its the best combi of looks, power and mileage.
                      Coming to ur P220 friend - that is a wrong notion.
                      U can rip a Kinetic Zing (63cc) for that matter.

                      Just ensure that u complete the running-in phase properly. Plus, maintain the bike like your own child. Then no problems will crop up.
                      Else even a litre class will irritate you!
                      well i am new to biking and my concern is will i be able to complete the running in properly being a new rider with close to nil experience of riding bikes..
                      Pulsar 200NS parts list
                      https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                      • #12
                        mayank.travadi - Your clutch is the issue here & that is the one & only problem with that vehicle!!! Repairing anyone can do it, that is why I said "get your vehicle very thoroughly checked & tested to your satisfaction from the ASC" Most dumbers just fix the over all parts ignoring the inner washers, springs & why? Even a slightly worn out clutch. But that damn vehicle is sensitive to all these things & even if a small washer inside the clutch unit is worn out, your pickup will drop for sure. Upto you what you want to take!!!
                        Skill is what keeps you on a Motorcycle
                        Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
                        ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mayank.travadi View Post
                          well i am new to biking and my concern is will i be able to complete the running in properly being a new rider with close to nil experience of riding bikes..
                          running-in is not a rocket science,just maintain the recommended speed and rpm for first 500-1000km.
                          use mineral oil for first 1000kms.
                          don't stay at one gear for extended period.
                          do occasional outburst of throttle.

                          if you fail to do above things,don't worry.running-in is good but not essential.
                          and the question remains why do i race?
                          every finishing line is the begining of a new race.

                          #i have learnt to manipulate my own adrenaline and the perception of biking is different.
                          #overkill is underrated.
                          #how random roads may appear there is always a destination.sigpic
                          #i don't subscribe to co-incidence,either it is the rider or the other moron on the road

                          (:)people keeps on saying add spark to life, bajaj got hold of that idea and added an extra spark to bike.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by aargee View Post
                            mayank.travadi - Your clutch is the issue here & that is the one & only problem with that vehicle!!! Repairing anyone can do it, that is why I said "get your vehicle very thoroughly checked & tested to your satisfaction from the ASC" Most dumbers just fix the over all parts ignoring the inner washers, springs & why? Even a slightly worn out clutch. But that damn vehicle is sensitive to all these things & even if a small washer inside the clutch unit is worn out, your pickup will drop for sure. Upto you what you want to take!!!
                            mayank.travadi - Your clutch is the issue here & that is the one & only problem with that vehicle!!! Repairing anyone can do it, that is why I said "get your vehicle very thoroughly checked & tested to your satisfaction from the ASC" Most dumbers just fix the over all parts ignoring the inner washers, springs & why? Even a slightly worn out clutch. But that damn vehicle is sensitive to all these things & even if a small washer inside the clutch unit is worn out, your pickup will drop for sure. Upto you what you want to take!!!
                            took it to the ASC....they say no problem with the activa...its close to 5 years old so it is expected...gearless scooters dont have a big life...so such things will keep happening...

                            if you fail to do above things,don't worry.running-in is good but not essential.
                            thanks...well i guess i shud just enjoy the experience than worry....well its quite a few months for the bike to come...cant help but be excited abt it all the time
                            Pulsar 200NS parts list
                            https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mayank.travadi View Post
                              its close to 5 years old so it is expected...gearless scooters dont have a big life...so such things will keep happening...
                              LMAO!!! Either you're incompetent enough to get ASC's ass moving or the ASC is incompetent enough to fix the issue!!! I've 7 yrs old one...forget mine...my Uncle has 9 year old one clocked 52K (as of 2010 May), that damn engine is even smoother than my Activa (clocked 18.5K 2 weeks ago), self works to perfect, kicker yes, 2-3 kicks though.

                              Trust me, their ASC (EVM Honda MVPA) provides superior service.

                              Who's the ASC BTW?
                              Skill is what keeps you on a Motorcycle
                              Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
                              ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day

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