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  • #31
    Originally posted by Srinivas sr143sr View Post

    But in my case pass switch response is very dull. only above 3K rpm the pass switch will respond immediately. If the bike is at idle or belo2K rpm the pass beam will respond very very slowly which i cant do anything to rectify. I dont know whether its due to my P200 RR or something.
    i am not expert but i think its due to the avenger magneto may be it would be more powerful then pulsar's magnet.


    Tell me one thing did you checked the output before changing rr after changing coil to avenger's
    go to this url Increase Bajaj Pulsar’s headlight intensity by 170%!
    in this read first post he has only changed the stator coil to avengers 180 not the rr there stock rr which before runs 35 watts bulb now it is able to handle 60 watts bulb how?
    as far as i know p200, p180(ug3) and p150(ug3) has same electricals. So rr would be same too. iam not confirmed on this



    Originally posted by intruderofall View Post
    thanx a tonn brother ur thread helped me with many things i also got electrical wiring diagram through your thread which i was searching from months thanks brother
    also tell which RR u used avengers which was blue in color
    or new 150s RR
    So you should first try with just fitting the avenger 180 coil then try your 55/60 watts bulb may be your stock rr will handle it. If the light is dim not glowing at its full intensity then go for avenger's rr.
    Last edited by rprathin; 09-29-2012, 10:50 PM.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by rprathin View Post
      i am not expert but i think its due to the avenger magneto may be it would be more powerful then pulsar's magnet.


      Tell me one thing did you checked the output before changing rr after changing coil to avenger's
      go to this url Increase Bajaj Pulsar’s headlight intensity by 170%!
      in this read first post he has only changed the stator coil to avengers 180 not the rr there stock rr which before runs 35 watts bulb now it is able to handle 60 watts bulb how?
      as far as i know p200, p180(ug3) and p150(ug3) has same electricals. So rr would be same too. iam not confirmed on this
      When i installed AVY coil, after some weeks/months my stock RR went faulty..!!! I have checked readings at battery poles with voltmeter when idle and rev upto 7Krpm and more. The voltage doesnt increased more than 11.9-12 volts. Actually it should increase more than that as experts said in my thread. Finally RR was found to be culprit..!!!

      Many of the members here in Xbhp, expressed that many stock pulsar RR's went faulty by installing AVY stator coil. some said their bikes didnt showed any fault. But probabality of RR getting damaged is more as per the discussion of experts/experienced bikers.

      None can say that stock RR will not show any problem, because the chances are 50:50 or even more for damage of RR...!!!

      So my opinion is why to risk the stock RR and letting it to take the AVY stator and giving it a chance for damage buddy..???

      In my thread most of the members advised me to go for AVY RR. Refer my thread

      I am not opposing your views dude Im just expressing the experience i had, for which i had to go through various things.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Srinivas sr143sr View Post
        When i installed AVY coil, after some weeks/months my stock RR went faulty..!!! I have checked readings at battery poles with voltmeter when idle and rev upto 7Krpm and more. The voltage doesnt increased more than 11.9-12 volts. Actually it should increase more than that as experts said in my thread. Finally RR was found to be culprit..!!!

        Many of the members here in Xbhp, expressed that many stock pulsar RR's went faulty by installing AVY stator coil. some said their bikes didnt showed any fault. But probabality of RR getting damaged is more as per the discussion of experts/experienced bikers.

        None can say that stock RR will not show any problem, because the chances are 50:50 or even more for damage of RR...!!!

        So my opinion is why to risk the stock RR and letting it to take the AVY stator and giving it a chance for damage buddy..???

        In my thread most of the members advised me to go for AVY RR. Refer my thread

        I am not opposing your views dude Im just expressing the experience i had, for which i had to go through various things.
        ok i was just telling because i have seen that many are only using 55/60 watts bulb with the pulsar rr so just asked you about that.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by rprathin View Post
          i am not expert but i think its due to the avenger magneto may be it would be more powerful then pulsar's magnet.
          +1
          as far as i know p200, p180(ug3) and p150(ug3) has same electricals. So rr would be same too.
          +1
          Originally posted by Srinivas sr143sr View Post
          When i installed AVY coil, after some weeks/months my stock RR went faulty..!!! I have checked readings at battery poles with voltmeter when idle and rev upto 7Krpm and more. The voltage doesnt increased more than 11.9-12 volts. Actually it should increase more than that as experts said in my thread. Finally RR was found to be culprit..!!!
          What the 'experts' didn't tell you was that the battery charging coil and lighting coil are completely different. The rectifier-regulator circuit for battery charging & the regulator circuit for lighting are also different even though they're inside the same RR. If RR were to be damaged due to Avy RR then the regulator for lighting part would have been damaged not the battery charging circuit.

          I am not opposing your views dude Im just expressing the experience i had, for which i had to go through various things.
          Appreciate your decency
          Now coming to the point, a voltage regulator only 'shunts' the extra power into the chassis. Your RR would be damaged only if the power output from the RR is much more than the load, i.e. more power would be shunted.
          => more shunted power = more heat
          => more heat in excess of the rated capacity = damaged RR & wiring

          If you rewind with (say) 16 AWG, make sure you use (say) a 90/100 W h/l.
          Also make a note that stock wiring and headlamp assy CANNOT handle 90/100. You'll end up melting your wiring.

          Good luck!!!
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          • #35
            @intruderfall
            first try with your stock pulsar's rr if the results are good then don't buy avengers rr, as abhijeet said the battery charging coil and lighting coil are completely different, Srinivas sr143sr pulsar's rr which was damaged was the part which used to charge battery not for lighting .if you will fit avenger rr then you have to do many changes as Srinivas sr143sr said. So in this it is better to try with what you have before spending more money in avy rr.

            Note:by this i am not opposing any views of any one.
            Last edited by rprathin; 09-30-2012, 05:17 PM.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by intruderofall View Post
              Brother you are really like ginnie for me hehe
              Ur views helping me a lot
              I will let you know part number of.my bikes RR as it is pulsar200cc so.might be same as yours
              I will tell part number tomorrow
              sorry brother couldnt tell you the part number of my bikes RR
              the thing is as my dad was at home so couldnt go near to my bike as he doesnt knows about it hehe
              i have been hiding it since 1year from now
              so tomorrow i will let you know

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              • #37
                Originally posted by rprathin View Post
                @intruderfall
                first try with your stock pulsar's rr if the results are good then don't buy avengers rr, as abhijeet said the battery charging coil and lighting coil are completely different, Srinivas sr143sr pulsar's rr which was damaged was the part which used to charge battery not for lighting .if you will fit avenger rr then you have to do many changes as Srinivas sr143sr said. So in this it is better to try with what you have before spending more money in avy rr.

                Note:by this i am not opposing any views of any one.
                thank you brother tomorrow i will get avy 180 coil and get this work done secondly
                have to do one more work before coil.. i have to plonk ambys reflector also so firstly i will get it done need to find some gut who will help me with this thing...

                Originally posted by Abhijeet Bhattacharjee View Post
                Now coming to the point, a voltage regulator only 'shunts' the extra power into the chassis. Your RR would be damaged only if the power output from the RR is much more than the load, i.e. more power would be shunted.
                => more shunted power = more heat
                => more heat in excess of the rated capacity = damaged RR & wiring

                If you rewind with (say) 16 AWG, make sure you use (say) a 90/100 W h/l.
                Also make a note that stock wiring and headlamp assy CANNOT handle 90/100. You'll end up melting your wiring.

                Good luck!!!
                thank you brother
                i was also thinking just to use any cars regulator and bypass both stock RR and BCU and add a separate switch for h/l....
                what u say

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Srinivas sr143sr View Post
                  Bullet points: AVY coil produces/generates extra power, so in my case, my bikes RR(which was designed to light 35w bulb) was unable to handle that current..!!!

                  Only best solution is to get AVY RR (blue coloured, six pinsocket,Part number: DV 20 1009 (Blue coloured )


                  To my bad luck no one suggested me that AVY RR can be fixed by bending the RR holder of my bike...!!! Another idea came to my brain is welding an extra clamp to bike..!!! (If the original holding clamp of bike cant be bend or cannot hold AVY RR). These are my own ideas..!!!

                  But no one here or at dealers shop suggested me that ideas.!!

                  So they gave me P200 RR Regulator Part number DJ 20 1164 (Brown coloured ) and said these both have same configuration and able to handle the AVY stator coil..!! I dont know how it can or able to handle AVY stator coil..!!!!

                  Is it the same RR in your bike..??? (DJ 20 1164)

                  New Pulsar RR (as Abhi said in my thread) has 4 pins which was not suitable for my bikes model...!!!!

                  As your budget is limited: Get a AVY Stator and AVY RR and keep your stock parts with you.!!! Once you install this combo you never have to see back again..!!

                  But in my case pass switch response is very dull. only above 3K rpm the pass switch will respond immediately. If the bike is at idle or belo2K rpm the pass beam will respond very very slowly which i cant do anything to rectify. I dont know whether its due to my P200 RR or something.

                  I once again request all experts to comment on this..!!!!

                  Caution: if you want to install AVY stator coil, never use it with your stock RR. It may/maynot be able to handle that extra current..!! (As per my experience)
                  brother this is the pic of my pulsar 200dtsi RR
                  but its part no. is DJ201102 and is green in color....Click image for larger version

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                  i think it is different than urs....

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                  • #39
                    Guys also guide me with this thing
                    I want to remove the existing h/l and replace it with the round h/l
                    I am thinking to use ambys reflector in pulsars dome
                    Are they both straight fit
                    Please guide me

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by intruderofall View Post
                      brother this is the pic of my pulsar 200dtsi RR
                      but its part no. is DJ201102 and is green in color....[ATTACH=CONFIG]82184[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]82185[/ATTACH]

                      i think it is different than urs....
                      Bingoooooo... Your present RR DJ201102 is exactly the same, which is my bikes (P150 2005 model) stock RR (Refer page 2 in my thread).

                      Im sure it(Your bikes RR) may not handle the AVY stator output....!!!!!!

                      And my bikes present RR DJ 20 1164 might be for 2008 or 2009 model P200....!!!! (Refer this thread http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/help-me/...r-200-a-2.html)

                      My conclusion (My opinion): Your bikes RR cant handle the AVY stator output. Even, if you want to try then go ahead...!!! Nothing happens but RR gets damaged according to my experience...!!!

                      Can you post a pic of your bikes RR holder (Attached to body of bike)..???
                      Last edited by Srinivas sr143sr; 10-01-2012, 07:35 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by intruderofall View Post
                        sorry brother couldnt tell you the part number of my bikes RR
                        the thing is as my dad was at home so couldnt go near to my bike as he doesnt knows about it hehe
                        i have been hiding it since 1year from now
                        so tomorrow i will let you know
                        Hey are you saying your papa dont know thats it is your bike..??? or about the RR and other mod stuff you are going to do..??
                        Mann.. howz its possible to hide the bike yaar...??
                        Take care..!! one of your neighbor may have a casual talk with your dad and the bike matter may come..!!!

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Abhijeet Bhattacharjee View Post
                          What the 'experts' didn't tell you was that the battery charging coil and lighting coil are completely different. The rectifier-regulator circuit for battery charging & the regulator circuit for lighting are also different even though they're inside the same RR. If RR were to be damaged due to Avy RR then the regulator for lighting part would have been damaged not the battery charging circuit.

                          Appreciate your decency
                          Thanks for your kind words..!!!

                          Known is a drop and unknown is an ocean..!!!

                          Buddy please clarify some of my doubts..!! I will copy them to a word doc and save it for future reference..!!

                          Till now i dont know that battery charging circuit/system and lightening system are separate and they will be present in the same RR..!! Thanx for the info..!!

                          Queries:
                          Magnet rotates over stator--> AC current is generated---> Goes to RR---> AC gets converted to DC, some DC charges the Battery and some DC goes for lightening..!!
                          I am thinking that its the RR which will pass the DC current to light the h/l and other lights
                          Am i right..??


                          Doubt: Suppose x(AC) is the current produced by my Pulsar stator. After conversion of that x(AC) to x(DC) by my pulsar RR, My pulsar RR gives a part 1/2x(DC) for lightening and remaining 1/2x(DC) for charging.
                          (I hope you understand. what i mean/think is the Pulsar RR has that limit and it transfers only the certain amount of current for lightening. I think the company will design with some limits for lightening.)

                          Now coming AVY stator. Lets say that AVY stator produces 2x(AC). Now this 2x goes to AVY stock RR. 2x(DC) is produced. (I am thinking that AVY RR must/should produce more DC than Pulsar for AVY bike electrical needs (to light and charge) ).
                          AVY divides half(or whatever it may be) for charging and lightening for the huge 60/55w bulb and others.

                          Present situation:
                          I have installed AVY stator. As now, how the Pulsar RR will give the extra power for h/l when compared to AVY RR. whats the difference..????

                          Layman language: (I am thinking that Pulsar RR is a tube with one inch diameter for flow of water(current) and AVY RR is a two inch pipe for the flow of water(current) )

                          Are my thoughts correct..??? Is this the reason why my 60/55w bulb goes very dim at 1-1.5K RPM...???

                          Please clarify.

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                          • #43
                            @Abhijeet Bhattacharjee

                            One more doubt. According to my thinking, the BCU should also be designed in a way that it should give 35w more or less (or specific wattage or current to specific parts) to the h/l and others. How the BCU handles the extra current by AVY stator..??

                            Will it also gets damaged..?? Any experiences or any word heard from anywhere..???

                            Do the Avenger also have BCU..?? I think it doesnt have one..!! The instrument cluster, display and others are very basic yet robust..!! I think its even more simpler than my P150 2005 model electricals..!!!

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Srinivas sr143sr View Post
                              Bingoooooo... Your present RR DJ201102 is exactly the same, which is my bikes (P150 2005 model) stock RR (Refer page 2 in my thread).

                              Im sure it(Your bikes RR) may not handle the AVY stator output....!!!!!!

                              And my bikes present RR DJ 20 1164 might be for 2008 or 2009 model P200....!!!! (Refer this thread http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/help-me/...r-200-a-2.html)

                              My conclusion (My opinion): Your bikes RR cant handle the AVY stator output. Even, if you want to try then go ahead...!!! Nothing happens but RR gets damaged according to my experience...!!!

                              Can you post a pic of your bikes RR holder (Attached to body of bike)..???
                              ohh noooo firstly when i read ur bingo i thought evrything is fine my bikes RR can handle it hehe bt m sad i need to spend more money...anyways yes brother ill attach pic with holder tomorrow surely... if dad is not at home
                              as tomorow is holiday he might b at home hehe whatever i will try...
                              i am thinking to bypass regulator and BCU use cars old regulator and separate switch and wires for h/l
                              also i was thinking my bike has 35w h/l 2 pilot bulbs of 5w each and 5w bulb for number plate
                              that makes 35+10+5=50w... so today i removed 5w number plate lamp i will use round h/l so 10w saved for pilot lamp
                              now if i add 55w halogen can it do should i take the risk without any mod just for experimenting
                              i mean previously before mod it will be 50w that is halogen+pilot bulbs+no. plate
                              i think it could take 5w more what u people say.....

                              Originally posted by Srinivas sr143sr View Post
                              Hey are you saying your papa dont know thats it is your bike..??? or about the RR and other mod stuff you are going to do..??
                              Mann.. howz its possible to hide the bike yaar...??
                              Take care..!! one of your neighbor may have a casual talk with your dad and the bike matter may come..!!!
                              yes my dad doesnt knows i own a bike
                              i had to own it secretly as he never gave me personal bike hehe as i like touring and all thats why i had to buy and till now i am able to hide it from him touch wood hehe
                              i love touring on bike thats why i had to take risk

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by intruderofall View Post
                                ohh noooo firstly when i read ur bingo i thought evrything is fine my bikes RR can handle it hehe bt m sad i need to spend more money...anyways yes brother ill attach pic with holder tomorrow surely... if dad is not at home
                                as tomorow is holiday he might b at home hehe whatever i will try...
                                i am thinking to bypass regulator and BCU use cars old regulator and separate switch and wires for h/l
                                also i was thinking my bike has 35w h/l 2 pilot bulbs of 5w each and 5w bulb for number plate
                                that makes 35+10+5=50w... so today i removed 5w number plate lamp i will use round h/l so 10w saved for pilot lamp
                                now if i add 55w halogen can it do should i take the risk without any mod just for experimenting
                                i mean previously before mod it will be 50w that is halogen+pilot bulbs+no. plate
                                i think it could take 5w more what u people say.....


                                yes my dad doesnt knows i own a bike
                                i had to own it secretly as he never gave me personal bike hehe as i like touring and all thats why i had to buy and till now i am able to hide it from him touch wood hehe
                                i love touring on bike thats why i had to take risk

                                Yes, there will be no problem if you install a round headlamp and install 55 light. But dont know how it works with stock setup.

                                But if you say that i will install AVY stator, I still stick to my word, our RR is not capable to handle AVY stator...!!!

                                But anyway you have to spend for used car regulator(No guarantee of its life as its used) or AVY RR or APE RR..!!!

                                AVY RR cost @400 only which is a good news to share..!!! (But limited fun, we have to compromise at low rpm's and i dont know how pass switch will work by using AVY RR )

                                But rewinding+APE RR+ Bypassing BCU is the best thing on your bike buddy...!!!

                                For Bypassing BCU and adding switch, Princesirohi sir is an expert...!!! Ask him and share experiences here..!! it will help me also..!!! But he also suggests you to go for APE RR before doing it..!!

                                As APE RR costs around 1100RS, it gives the same value as the xBhpians experiences..!!

                                Note: Used ones should be preferably new..


                                Haha.. Take care bro... Hiding your beautiful beast will not be that easy...

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