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  • #46
    Originally posted by Srinivas sr143sr View Post
    Yes, there will be no problem if you install a round headlamp and install 55 light. But dont know how it works with stock setup.

    But if you say that i will install AVY stator, I still stick to my word, our RR is not capable to handle AVY stator...!!!

    But anyway you have to spend for used car regulator(No guarantee of its life as its used) or AVY RR or APE RR..!!!

    AVY RR cost @400 only which is a good news to share..!!! (But limited fun, we have to compromise at low rpm's and i dont know how pass switch will work by using AVY RR )

    But rewinding+APE RR+ Bypassing BCU is the best thing on your bike buddy...!!!

    For Bypassing BCU and adding switch, Princesirohi sir is an expert...!!! Ask him and share experiences here..!! it will help me also..!!! But he also suggests you to go for APE RR before doing it..!!

    As APE RR costs around 1100RS, it gives the same value as the xBhpians experiences..!!

    Note: Used ones should be preferably new..


    Haha.. Take care bro... Hiding your beautiful beast will not be that easy...
    i have a friend he will arrange a good working cars regulator or any other regulator for this work for free from junkyard hehe
    actually i dont have much money to spend... recently my bikes insurance expired so my money were used in that purpose
    i am thinking to try this first plonking 55w... without any change in coil...
    then will think about rewind....or avenfers coil... and to bypass BCU i will go through electricals again.....

    and hey i can provide you 180UG3 manual mostly it is same as p200

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    • #47
      today i went to bajaj for prices as they said prices are
      avys 180cc stator coil-770rs
      avys RR-460rs

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Srinivas sr143sr View Post
        Thanks for your kind words..!!!

        Known is a drop and unknown is an ocean..!!!

        Buddy please clarify some of my doubts..!! I will copy them to a word doc and save it for future reference..!!

        Till now i dont know that battery charging circuit/system and lightening system are separate and they will be present in the same RR..!! Thanx for the info..!!

        Queries:
        Magnet rotates over stator--> AC current is generated---> Goes to RR---> AC gets converted to DC, some DC charges the Battery and some DC goes for lightening..!!
        I am thinking that its the RR which will pass the DC current to light the h/l and other lights
        Am i right..??


        Doubt: Suppose x(AC) is the current produced by my Pulsar stator. After conversion of that x(AC) to x(DC) by my pulsar RR, My pulsar RR gives a part 1/2x(DC) for lightening and remaining 1/2x(DC) for charging.
        (I hope you understand. what i mean/think is the Pulsar RR has that limit and it transfers only the certain amount of current for lightening. I think the company will design with some limits for lightening.)

        Now coming AVY stator. Lets say that AVY stator produces 2x(AC). Now this 2x goes to AVY stock RR. 2x(DC) is produced. (I am thinking that AVY RR must/should produce more DC than Pulsar for AVY bike electrical needs (to light and charge) ).
        AVY divides half(or whatever it may be) for charging and lightening for the huge 60/55w bulb and others.

        Present situation:
        I have installed AVY stator. As now, how the Pulsar RR will give the extra power for h/l when compared to AVY RR. whats the difference..????

        Layman language: (I am thinking that Pulsar RR is a tube with one inch diameter for flow of water(current) and AVY RR is a two inch pipe for the flow of water(current) )

        Are my thoughts correct..??? Is this the reason why my 60/55w bulb goes very dim at 1-1.5K RPM...???

        Please clarify.
        In a ac/dc bike (like pulsar ug3 , Avenger 180) what happens is something like this but not sure
        Magnet rotates over stator coil, coil is divided into two parts one for charging the battery and other for lighting so both current goes to the rr then rr converts that current to dc for charging the battery, the other part of coil which is for lighting what the rr does to this is that it doesn't convert to dc ( what u said before) instead it limits current in ac only so that it is just be able to glow a 35 watts bulb and other loads at its full intensity, coil is manufactured by manufacturer keeping in the mind the capacity of the rr and how much load or say vice verse (e.g. manufacturer makes a coil which generates current max@low rpm (so that a x watts load is satisfied at minimum rpm possible) Min current shunted@high rpm (so when there would be load extra current should not fry the rr or when there would be no load)) . So here what we do is that we increase the stator coil to a heavy one (avenger's stator coil) and then we give the output to a stock rr(which is pulsar's rr in our case) which is meant to take a load of coil which is used before for a 35w bulb but here what happens is when there is no load then rr heats up abnormally which is not designed for means proper heat sink or circuit etc. are not designed for that heat as the output (from coil) is more than the load, and in a rr of avenger it is designed for that heat.
        rr heats up due to shunting effect, it does it when there is no load. or it would heat when load is more and output is also more but rr capacity is very low.

        Note: By this i am not proving you wrong instead i am sharing my knowledge so don't take it in other words , may be i would be wrong.
        Last edited by rprathin; 10-02-2012, 01:41 AM.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by intruderofall View Post
          today i went to bajaj for prices as they said prices are
          avys 180cc stator coil-770rs
          avys RR-460rs
          AVY 180 stator 770RS... No way... It shouldn't be more than 570 at any cost...!!!!! Ask in another shop with exact part number...!!!!
          Please ask the parts with exact number there...!!!!

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          • #50
            Originally posted by rprathin View Post
            In a ac/dc bike (like pulsar ug3 , Avenger 180) what happens is something like this but not sure
            Magnet rotates over stator coil, coil is divided into two parts one for charging the battery and other for lighting so both current goes to the rr then rr converts that current to dc for charging the battery, the other part of coil which is for lighting what the rr does to this is that it doesn't convert to dc ( what u said before) instead it limits current in ac only so that it is just be able to glow a 35 watts bulb and other loads at its full intensity, coil is manufactured by manufacturer keeping in the mind the capacity of the rr and how much load or say vice verse (e.g. manufacturer makes a coil which generates current max@low rpm (so that a x watts load is satisfied at minimum rpm possible) Min current shunted@high rpm (so when there would be load extra current should not fry the rr or when there would be no load)) . So here what we do is that we increase the stator coil to a heavy one (avenger's stator coil) and then we give the output to a stock rr(which is pulsar's rr in our case) which is meant to take a load of coil which is used before for a 35w bulb but here what happens is when there is no load then rr heats up abnormally which is not designed for means proper heat sink or circuit etc. are not designed for that heat as the output (from coil) is more than the load, and in a rr of avenger it is designed for that heat.
            rr heats up due to shunting effect, it does it when there is no load. or it would heat when load is more and output is also more but rr capacity is very low.

            Note: By this i am not proving you wrong instead i am sharing my knowledge so don't take it in other words , may be i would be wrong.
            I dont know whats happening buddy...!! That why i have raised the questions...!!!

            Yes i came to know about shunting effect as @Abhi said, but lot more to know

            As you said the heating is one of things which may make our stock RR fry.

            You said that a part of stator produced ac will be converted to dc and goes for charging and you said that remaining ac is reduced/controlled to go for lightening..!! I think DC bulbs will not (shouldnot) be powered with AC..!!

            Someone will help us here

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Srinivas sr143sr View Post
              I dont know whats happening buddy...!! That why i have raised the questions...!!!

              Yes i came to know about shunting effect as @Abhi said, but lot more to know

              As you said the heating is one of things which may make our stock RR fry.

              You said that a part of stator produced ac will be converted to dc and goes for charging and you said that remaining ac is reduced/controlled to go for lightening..!! I think DC bulbs will not (shouldnot) be powered with AC..!!

              Someone will help us here
              halogen bulbs or any other bulb which are not led or hid etc. are not ac or dc if you will supply ac then also they will glow and if you will supply dc then also they will glow.
              what i said is that (in ac+dc bike only) coil is divided in two parts like 4 poles for lighting and 3 poles for charging. So 3 pole which is for battery charging gets converted to dc and other 4 poles lights the bulb here rr only limits the current does not convert it to dc.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Srinivas sr143sr:878043
                Originally posted by intruderofall View Post
                today i went to bajaj for prices as they said prices are
                avys 180cc stator coil-770rs
                avys RR-460rs
                AVY 180 stator 770RS... No way... It shouldn't be more than 570 at any cost...!!!!! Ask in another shop with exact part number...!!!!
                Please ask the parts with exact number there...!!!!
                I asked at pbk centre
                Will again try today and let you know brother

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by intruderofall View Post
                  I asked at pbk centre
                  Will again try today and let you know brother
                  Hey buddy.. for your easy reference i took the pic of AVY 180 stator coil box which i have bought....

                  Exact details with MFG date.....

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                  Update: i have heard that P200 later models have different AVY stator when compared to AVY180 stator.

                  First you remove your stator coil and take it with you and compare it with the above posted AVY180 stator coil. If its the same then no problem. (The wire of AVY stator coil is bit long in length than your stator coil. No problem with that)

                  I did the same comparison while purchasing. This avoids the wrong one getting purchased.
                  Last edited by Srinivas sr143sr; 10-04-2012, 05:55 PM.

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                  • #54
                    New observaion

                    Gone through net and found some info

                    nilotpal


                    Pulsar 200, July 2008 model

                    His bike had different stator coil and he opted for AVY200 stator and AVY 200 magneto. But i think its not required for you. In his thread he met a PBK showroom guy and that service centre guy said that P200 2007 and starting models have a stator coil similar to that of AVY180...!!!!!

                    Items purchased by him:
                    Stator coil of Avenger 200: JM11102 == 428/-
                    Rotor(Magnet) of Avenger 200: JM11104 == 1050/-

                    Segregated information from Page 24,25

                    Source:


                    Buddy... I think your P200 will have a straight fit with AVY180 stator coil

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Srinivas sr143sr View Post
                      Gone through net and found some info

                      nilotpal


                      Pulsar 200, July 2008 model

                      His bike had different stator coil and he opted for AVY200 stator and AVY 200 magneto. But i think its not required for you. In his thread he met a PBK showroom guy and that service centre guy said that P200 2007 and starting models have a stator coil similar to that of AVY180...!!!!!

                      Items purchased by him:
                      Stator coil of Avenger 200: JM11102 == 428/-
                      Rotor(Magnet) of Avenger 200: JM11104 == 1050/-

                      Segregated information from Page 24,25

                      Source: Increase Bajaj Pulsar’s headlight intensity by 170%! - Page 24


                      Buddy... I think your P200 will have a straight fit with AVY180 stator coil
                      thanxx a tonn bro....
                      ill get it done now....
                      will upload pics soon after completing my job
                      ambys reflector is gonna arrive soon to me then i will get this work done

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by intruderofall View Post
                        thanxx a tonn bro....
                        ill get it done now....
                        will upload pics soon after completing my job
                        ambys reflector is gonna arrive soon to me then i will get this work done
                        k... AMBY means Ambassador reflector right...??? what bulb you are going to install....???

                        whats your opinion about RR...!!!

                        If you are going to stay with stock RR then never raise throttle in idle or while driving above 6 or 7K rpm and never ever and ever redline your bike..!!! This makes the POWER surge to stock RR which makes it fry..!!! Take care..!!

                        I once again warn you and request you to think about RR's...!!! In the above links some people have discussed the lag/ low intensity of 60w bulb at low RPM with stock RR,
                        and some said that with Avy RR (didnt mentioned how they installed it) that low lag even was gone and 60w bulb is glowing brilliantly at lower RPM's..!!

                        With stock RR and AVY stator 60w glows brillianlty only at or above 3K RPM..!! At 1Krpm or idling or belo 2KRPM the intensity will be quiet lower than stock 35w bulb with stock parts of bike...!!!

                        Aahhh...... Forget to mention the battery drain bro...!!! The battery drain will be faster almost 3 times more than stock when you use 60w light.


                        Source: Present experience with my bike..!!!

                        I seriously want you to go for AVY RR....!!!

                        Avy RR--- 400 RS. Just you imagine/feel that you had filled 4 times petrol with 100 each time and you wandered without any purpose. Thats it...!!! The result of such a feeling----- you Never ever have to look back with any lags/batt drains/RR fry problems at any RPM range or any other with 60/55w light...!!

                        I am giving you this suggestion because i am missing that....!!!!!
                        Last edited by Srinivas sr143sr; 10-05-2012, 01:07 AM.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Srinivas sr143sr View Post
                          k... AMBY means Ambassador reflector right...??? what bulb you are going to install....???

                          whats your opinion about RR...!!!

                          If you are going to stay with stock RR then never raise throttle in idle or while driving above 6 or 7K rpm and never ever and ever redline your bike..!!! This makes the POWER surge to stock RR which makes it fry..!!! Take care..!!

                          I once again warn you and request you to think about RR's...!!! In the above links some people have discussed the lag/ low intensity of 60w bulb at low RPM with stock RR,
                          and some said that with Avy RR (didnt mentioned how they installed it) that low lag even was gone and 60w bulb is glowing brilliantly at lower RPM's..!!

                          With stock RR and AVY stator 60w glows brillianlty only at or above 3K RPM..!! At 1Krpm or idling or belo 2KRPM the intensity will be quiet lower than stock 35w bulb with stock parts of bike...!!!

                          Aahhh...... Forget to mention the battery drain bro...!!! The battery drain will be faster almost 3 times more than stock when you use 60w light.


                          Source: Present experience with my bike..!!!

                          I seriously want you to go for AVY RR....!!!

                          Avy RR--- 400 RS. Just you imagine/feel that you had filled 4 times petrol with 100 each time and you wandered without any purpose. Thats it...!!! The result of such a feeling----- you Never ever have to look back with any lags/batt drains/RR fry problems at any RPM range or any other with 60/55w light...!!

                          I am giving you this suggestion because i am missing that....!!!!!
                          yes bro its ambassadors reflector....
                          yes i have understand your point and will do the same as u said...i will go for avys coil and RR
                          but firstly ill test stock just for few minutes....just to compare its output
                          and finally will get avys RR and coil installed
                          and also i never over rev my bike i care for her hehe
                          i never revvd it more than 8k that too on top gear....
                          and u really helped me a lot....
                          let me know if i could help u bro

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by intruderofall View Post
                            yes bro its ambassadors reflector....
                            yes i have understand your point and will do the same as u said...i will go for avys coil and RR
                            but firstly ill test stock just for few minutes....just to compare its output
                            and finally will get avys RR and coil installed
                            and also i never over rev my bike i care for her hehe
                            i never revvd it more than 8k that too on top gear....
                            and u really helped me a lot....
                            let me know if i could help u bro
                            ill try to use bosch 60/55w or philips halogen
                            what u say

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by intruderofall View Post
                              ill try to use bosch 60/55w or philips halogen
                              what u say
                              Yes bro.. first try with your stock RR sometime (I advise you not more than 2 days). Then go for AVY RR..!!!

                              why you are going for Amby reflector...?? I think Pulsar reflector can handle that 60w bulb (my opinion)...!!!

                              Im using Bosch bulb (80 RS) and it is good but read that Philips bulbs are more better...!!! Never buy bulbs which emit whitish tint because when its raining you cant see the road....!!!

                              I have started a thread here for Philips Xtreme vision for getting it in Hyderabad, my city...!!! But none had replied

                              As you are residing in Delhi, if you have time please enquire about it...!!!! I even will be ready to take it if i get a partner or probably you buddy...!!!

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Srinivas sr143sr View Post
                                Yes bro.. first try with your stock RR sometime (I advise you not more than 2 days). Then go for AVY RR..!!!

                                why you are going for Amby reflector...?? I think Pulsar reflector can handle that 60w bulb (my opinion)...!!!

                                Im using Bosch bulb (80 RS) and it is good but read that Philips bulbs are more better...!!! Never buy bulbs which emit whitish tint because when its raining you cant see the road....!!!

                                I have started a thread here for Philips Xtreme vision for getting it in Hyderabad, my city...!!! But none had replied

                                As you are residing in Delhi, if you have time please enquire about it...!!!! I even will be ready to take it if i get a partner or probably you buddy...!!!
                                sorry brother i was out of town so couldnt reply...
                                i am going for ambys reflector as later on i will try to move on to 90w halogen hehe that is the main reason...
                                i live in faridabad its very near to delhi... i will enquire about philips xtreme vision and let you kn0w and will help u get it dont worry... bi the way what is the cost of this bulb???

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