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**B7ACKTHORN** · 10-12-2014, 08:48 PM

Re: Suzuki Fiero, Simple Modificcation

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**WizupWorks** · 10-16-2014, 06:52 PM

Re: Suzuki Fiero, Simple Modificcation

Dear XBHPians, I know this post must bore most, but any and all help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. If I cannot do this, I will have to spend quite some Vit.M, on a touring option, which doesn't really exist in the current Indian Market.

**theironhorse99** · 10-16-2014, 07:13 PM

Re: Suzuki Fiero, Simple Modificcation

Originally posted by WizupWorks View Post

Dear XBHPians, I know this post must bore most, but any and all help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. If I cannot do this, I will have to spend quite some Vit.M, on a touring option, which doesn't really exist in the current Indian Market.

dude thats a long list of work... on a logical note i would suggest you to part ways and pick up a used hero impluse. it will do all the task you need without a fuss.
trust me.. i did ladakh this year and we had an impluse in the group. that rider wasy just flying.

while ninja bottomed out
bull was slow
zma had carb issues
d200 had fi issues

the bikes that did not trouble us was cbr250 , impluse (epic bike) , D390.

further more due to less body fairing and jazz. impluse will be far better mod friendly setup.
reduce a teeth from front and youd' be good for 2 up on hills.

just my logical opinion...

**Cleaner** · 10-16-2014, 07:41 PM

Re: Suzuki Fiero, Simple Modificcation

Sell that bike, though I wonder if anybody would buy the bike in such conditions at a good price.
I suggest you buy a used Impulse or a import a KTM dirt bike. The mods you intend to do would be complicated and I don't think you'll find a good enough mechanic to perform the work in India. About GS150R front suspension upgrade, it is not feasible as GS15R has alloy wheels and Fiero has spoke wheels, also you do not want alloys on a dirt setup.

Don't take it personally, but it seems you have butchered the bike and matter how much glue you apply it would not perform as you are expecting.

**WizupWorks** · 10-16-2014, 09:48 PM

Re: Suzuki Fiero, Simple Modificcation

Originally posted by theironhorse99 View Post

dude thats a long list of work... on a logical note i would suggest you to part ways and pick up a used hero impluse. it will do all the task you need without a fuss.
trust me.. i did ladakh this year and we had an impluse in the group. that rider wasy just flying.

while ninja bottomed out
bull was slow
zma had carb issues
d200 had fi issues

the bikes that did not trouble us was cbr250 , impluse (epic bike) , D390.

further more due to less body fairing and jazz. impluse will be far better mod friendly setup.
reduce a teeth from front and youd' be good for 2 up on hills.

just my logical opinion...

I do agree the work and tension for it would be grave, but this bike went up Leh, with pillion, and I was pushing her hard, while carrying a load of 30kgs extra. My weight @ 90kgs and pillion @ 55, and load at 30, totals a gross weight of 175Kgs. This seriously strained her, but she still did the climb. I do understand that the impulse can do some serious climbs, but I don't see its long term viability, as her torque rating is still low, and can't carry such loads as mentioned here. I was thinking of purchasing the Inazuma 250 but, she is good tourer on road, not an overall rider of all terrain. This bike can handle such workups, is my belief, and her engine is new and willing to push it, but the body is in no condition after 11years and 2lakh plus kms. That is why I choose to revive her aching joints, to breate a new life into her. Parting ways with this girl can never happen, for it has given me the memories like no other, she is Cleaner not only my machine, she is family. So anyone, still think I'm crazy. :P

Cleaner: Sell that bike, though I wonder if anybody would buy the bike in such conditions at a good price.
I suggest you buy a used Impulse or a import a KTM dirt bike. The mods you intend to do would be complicated and I don't think you'll find a good enough mechanic to perform the work in India. About GS150R front suspension upgrade, it is not feasible as GS15R has alloy wheels and Fiero has spoke wheels, also you do not want alloys on a dirt setup.

Don't take it personally, but it seems you have butchered the bike and matter how much glue you apply it would not perform as you are expecting.

Cleaner, sorry mate selling her is not an option for me. Mechanics are there i n India, and I can do most the work myself. I just need help from engineers to tell me about its change in performance and what problems I may face. For example, the fixture and ride height changes, procurring spoke wheels with matching disks, etc. Basically this post is a discussion, as to what could be done, and not giving up. It's a challenge to integrate the new into the old, and see the outcome.

It may be a fiero to everybody, it's family to me!

WizupWorks

**Balgi** · 10-16-2014, 10:12 PM

Re: Suzuki Fiero, Simple Modificcation

[MENTION=73074]WizupWorks[/MENTION] bro, don't sell the bike as it has sentimental value to you. I suggest you modify it as there is no point selling it for peanuts especially after the service it gave you. Instead why not check the gs150 suspension out yourself to see if the entire gs150 front is a direct fit. Alternatively why not check to see if impulse front end will fit your bike or not. It is meant for off roading and has proved itself in that regard. Also I suggest you experiment with welding a few metal bits together to make your rear swing arm. Draw your own design by reading up on weight distribution physics. This way you can get exactly what you need instead of plonking another bikes parts into yours and hoping for the best and it'll be cheaper I suppose (could be wrong).
I always wanted to do something like this but not a lot of Vit.M for the job. Post some pics of the bike once you start the build bro. Good luck 😊

**WizupWorks** · 10-19-2014, 10:53 PM

Re: Suzuki Fiero, Simple Modificcation

Originally posted by Balgi View Post

@WizupWorks bro, don't sell the bike as it has sentimental value to you. I suggest you modify it as there is no point selling it for peanuts especially after the service it gave you. Instead why not check the gs150 suspension out yourself to see if the entire gs150 front is a direct fit. Alternatively why not check to see if impulse front end will fit your bike or not. It is meant for off roading and has proved itself in that regard. Also I suggest you experiment with welding a few metal bits together to make your rear swing arm. Draw your own design by reading up on weight distribution physics. This way you can get exactly what you need instead of plonking another bikes parts into yours and hoping for the best and it'll be cheaper I suppose (could be wrong).
I always wanted to do something like this but not a lot of Vit.M for the job. Post some pics of the bike once you start the build bro. Good luck 

Mate, thanks for the first sign of a postive response. I have a general idea of the design concepts I am looking for, and I do understand going for your own design is killer, but to be honest, I am lazy as hell. Anyways, I did think of clunking parts together to fit the bike, due to availability, and how they seem overall. Currently, I need numbers, as I am in a foreign land, away from my bike for the next 45days and need the design ready by the time I get down there. I need the length, angle of current suspension as well as the its complete design. I just needed to see if this plan was worth the effort. I lack the will at times, and your post made a lot of difference. I can't design anything, or post any picture for now, but I plan to start work the minute, I get back to Bangalore and my Fiero. The reason I chose the various aspects of these bikes to assimilate into mine is simple. They have certain characteristics that would help with the overall dynamics.
Let's start with your option, of replacing the front shocks with that of the Impulse. Thought did cross my mind, but I would need a matching, dual rear suspension swing arm, and the weight distribution of the motorcycle would be all wrong. Currently, the TVS RTR series, swing arm matches the rear suspension connecting rod length of the Fiero, and there by its dimensions fit perfect. The addtition of the Suzuki GS front and rear shocks was to add the stability and weight ratio characteristics of the GS150R, and as the ride height is greater, I suspect the length and travel to be longer, though this is an assumption. The RTR 180 swing arm with the disk break option is longer, and thus would complement in stability, due to any and all ride height increase and provide extreme hold and resistive braking for safety. I plan to use the bike for long tours, on and off the road, example Leh-Ladhak, and with slighly heavier suspension and better weight capacity, my engine can cruise smoothly without feeling any kick backs from increased load of pinnion and travel luggage. I understand that the suspension and swing arm play very less part in the engine being strained, but I guess I would try FI in the future. I need to read up on these things and need to start developing a plan of action. Thus, I decided to bring my probs to the experts, at xBhp, and see what they think should be done.
I am looking for direction to take in these designs, and to be very honest, ideas, I will keep you guys updated once I start my mods, or any desing concepts I come up with.

**Balgi** · 10-19-2014, 11:30 PM

Re: Suzuki Fiero, Simple Modificcation

Originally posted by WizupWorks View Post

Mate, thanks for the first sign of a postive response. I have a general idea of the design concepts I am looking for, and I do understand going for your own design is killer, but to be honest, I am lazy as hell. Anyways, I did think of clunking parts together to fit the bike, due to availability, and how they seem overall. Currently, I need numbers, as I am in a foreign land, away from my bike for the next 45days and need the design ready by the time I get down there. I need the length, angle of current suspension as well as the its complete design. I just needed to see if this plan was worth the effort. I lack the will at times, and your post made a lot of difference. I can't design anything, or post any picture for now, but I plan to start work the minute, I get back to Bangalore and my Fiero. The reason I chose the various aspects of these bikes to assimilate into mine is simple. They have certain characteristics that would help with the overall dynamics.
Let's start with your option, of replacing the front shocks with that of the Impulse. Thought did cross my mind, but I would need a matching, dual rear suspension swing arm, and the weight distribution of the motorcycle would be all wrong. Currently, the TVS RTR series, swing arm matches the rear suspension connecting rod length of the Fiero, and there by its dimensions fit perfect. The addtition of the Suzuki GS front and rear shocks was to add the stability and weight ratio characteristics of the GS150R, and as the ride height is greater, I suspect the length and travel to be longer, though this is an assumption. The RTR 180 swing arm with the disk break option is longer, and thus would complement in stability, due to any and all ride height increase and provide extreme hold and resistive braking for safety. I plan to use the bike for long tours, on and off the road, example Leh-Ladhak, and with slighly heavier suspension and better weight capacity, my engine can cruise smoothly without feeling any kick backs from increased load of pinnion and travel luggage. I understand that the suspension and swing arm play very less part in the engine being strained, but I guess I would try FI in the future. I need to read up on these things and need to start developing a plan of action. Thus, I decided to bring my probs to the experts, at xBhp, and see what they think should be done.
I am looking for direction to take in these designs, and to be very honest, ideas, I will keep you guys updated once I start my mods, or any desing concepts I come up with.

First off bro I am glad I could inspire you. I myself always wanted to do something like this.

Secondly, How's bout this. Why don't you take a look at what type of frame your bike has and then take a look at the various suspension types available for bikes with similar frame types. The idea here is to ensure the suspension can simply be plonked on and in most cases bikes with similar frame type have matching or very similar swing arms. as for suspension travel proportions. you can buy and install a shock absorber with more adjustment options (higher travel adjustment) and then its just a matter of reinforcing the swing arm to handle the extra length with the new shock absorber position and reinforcing the frame to handle the extra stress from the raised suspension travel. at the end of the day the bike's suspension should be raised at least 35-50% from original for off roading. but for dual purpose I think you should aim for only 30-40% raised ground clearance as the bike will otherwise be uncomfortably high and also ride quality will suffer. So in general you should be looking at a 60-65mm increase in overall ground clearance which should solve your problem. I think the impulse front should in theory be a direct fit and a perfect match for your ground clearance needs. as for the rear if I remember correctly the fiero F2 was just a bit taller and longer than the fiero v1. so the rear swing arm should be long enough to accommodate a bigger shocker set and should ideally need very little modding to be fitted on your bike.
See if what I have suggested works out or else we do have others especially the seniors on this forum to guide us in the right direction. Cheers

**WizupWorks** · 10-23-2014, 12:46 PM

Re: Suzuki Fiero, Simple Modificcation

Originally posted by Balgi View Post

First off bro I am glad I could inspire you. I myself always wanted to do something like this.

Secondly, How's bout this. Why don't you take a look at what type of frame your bike has and then take a look at the various suspension types available for bikes with similar frame types. The idea here is to ensure the suspension can simply be plonked on and in most cases bikes with similar frame type have matching or very similar swing arms. as for suspension travel proportions. you can buy and install a shock absorber with more adjustment options (higher travel adjustment) and then its just a matter of reinforcing the swing arm to handle the extra length with the new shock absorber position and reinforcing the frame to handle the extra stress from the raised suspension travel. at the end of the day the bike's suspension should be raised at least 35-50% from original for off roading. but for dual purpose I think you should aim for only 30-40% raised ground clearance as the bike will otherwise be uncomfortably high and also ride quality will suffer. So in general you should be looking at a 60-65mm increase in overall ground clearance which should solve your problem. I think the impulse front should in theory be a direct fit and a perfect match for your ground clearance needs. as for the rear if I remember correctly the fiero F2 was just a bit taller and longer than the fiero v1. so the rear swing arm should be long enough to accommodate a bigger shocker set and should ideally need very little modding to be fitted on your bike.
See if what I have suggested works out or else we do have others especially the seniors on this forum to guide us in the right direction. Cheers

Will be in India for 3 days, over the weekend. Will check up on all the required bits and pieces, and see if I can't pull of some sketches after that, for the final product.

**Balgi** · 10-23-2014, 01:37 PM

Re: Suzuki Fiero, Simple Modificcation

Originally posted by WizupWorks View Post

Will be in India for 3 days, over the weekend. Will check up on all the required bits and pieces, and see if I can't pull of some sketches after that, for the final product.

Will be waiting for the sketches bro.

**Krishna410** · 11-06-2014, 01:34 PM

Re: Suzuki Fiero, Simple Modificcation

Hello All,

I have TVS Fiero 2002 Model and currently I stay in Basavanagudi Bangalore.

I have a question regarding Bike Service.

In few forum replies, I learnt that Zen Motors in ChamrajPet, Bangalore Provides Good Service. Unfortunately, the Zen Motors vacated the Chamrajpet building, when I went last week finding them.

Can any one please suggest Good ServiceCenter/Mechanic in Basavanagudi.

Last time, I got it serviced from Ashwa TVS and it was horrible Service.

Thanks
Krishna

**abhilashabhi12** · 11-07-2014, 01:23 AM

Re: Suzuki Fiero, Simple Modificcation

Try bharat tvs in jayanagar 2nd block near ashoka pillar

**prd8r** · 12-01-2014, 01:57 AM

Re: Suzuki Fiero, Simple Modificcation

It may be a fiero to everybody, it's family to me!

WizupWorks[/QUOTE]

No further explanation required, man. I feel the same way as I am a Fiero owner too.

In fact, there are a lot more like me here on a forum dedicated to this fine machine.

You can drop by there with your query and all the guys can help you out.

@ moderator - can this be merged with the Fiero ownership thread?

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