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**gsferrari** · 05-12-2009, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by kriss View Post

Posting this on behalf of hydbusa(wasim)

Guys, need a small help from you all. As you all know i own a busa 08 model, in my next visit to india, i'm planning to hit chennai track. I'm totally new for a track ride.

All i need is,

1. Suggest me the kind of changes needed to the busa before hitting the track ?

So far the bike stock, except for the double bubble screen.

All the inputs from experts would be great....

- Wasim

Having no prior track experience, taking on MMSC on a Busa is an exercise that can only end in tears. My suggestion is to keep the Busa for the road and buy an R15 for the first few trackdays. Then you can move up the power ladder.

If you insist despite this warning, equip the bike with racing soft rubber (pirelli supercorsa or better) and keep it in the most mild power map. No coolant...only water allowed on track. Lose the bottom fairings to save you some money if you crash. Install frame and swingarm sliders. More than the bike, equip yourself with full leathers, gauntlet gloves, racing boots and a top-spec helmet.

I wouldnt recommend taking the busa to the track. There isnt enough track for that bike. Anything more than a 600 on this track is just not going to work well.

**tronxk** · 05-12-2009, 03:50 AM

Hey Kris, Wasim

This may help. It's a step by step list in addition to what gsferrari has posted and should hold you in good stead.

Clean your motorcycle. This allows you to double check all key areas to make sure nothing is loose (which will be relevant in step 10.) It also makes it easier to check the motorcycle at technical inspection (the day of the event.)
Remove your center stand. Does the 2008 Busa have one? This is for safety on the track. Almost all organizations require center stand removal. This is especially true for the more advanced (and therefore faster) groups. Some organizations and tracks may ask you to also remove your kickstand (side stand.)
Remove or tape up your mirrors. Sometimes removal is not an option, since it may be the only way your fairing is supported. In that case, tape up the mirrors so that if they contact the ground, the glass does not fall out on to the track surface. Or you can use block off plates if you have them.
Tape up your headlight(s)and signals. This includes the tail light and license plate light. If you can, remove the fuse for the headlight. With the headlight off, it reduces that chance of tape residue sticking to your headlight. Make sure to put the fuse back in before riding on the street again. Or, you can use block off plates if you have them. It also saves money if you drop the bike. The headlight is expensive.
Check all of your controls, meaning clutch cable, throttle cable, brake lever, clutch lever, rear brake lever, and kill switch for proper operation. If they fail tech, you will have to get them fixed before you are allowed on the track. Doing it before you get to the track saves you stress if you have to do it while you are at the track. You are anticipating getting on the track and now you have to work on the motorcycle. Very stressful and that really sucks ......
When you check your brakes, make sure you have enough brake pad material to make it through the event. Riding hard on the racetrack will also cause you to use your brakes even harder. If you have new brakes pads installed before the event, try to get them seated and bedded in before the event.
Check your tires, both for tread wear and depth. Usually new or nearly new tires are required in order to pass tech inspection. Badly worn tires will not pass tech and you may also be able to notice any unusual wear patterns on your tires, which might save you some aggravation early. An example of unusual wear would be bald sides on your front tire with tread in the center. This would indicate low front tire pressure, with the tire (tread) smoothing out while leaned over (turning) but keeping its shape while riding straight up and down.
Check your tire pressures and inspect your rims for damage (see step above.) You will probably have to adjust tire pressures before you get on the track, depending on various factors: your weight, the brand, the temperature, and the track surface. Check with your owner's manual, the track day organization, and your local tire representative for the best pressures for those conditions - hmmmm local tire representative .... i don't think we have those here.
Clean and check your chain for proper slack and lubrication. You should not have a chain that is too loose or too tight. Check your owners manual for proper slack. Also make sure your chain is lubricated to prevent binding.
Make sure all your bodywork is properly supported and fastened. Do not have loose or flapping bodywork, it will fail tech inspection. Try not to have other loose, flapping objects on your motorcycle. You will be asked to have those items removed before you can pass tech inspection and are allowed on the track. If you can, loose the fairing and put on aftermarket bodywork. It will save you a lot of money.
Also, here is an idea i have always had and have wanted to do for a long time - it was to make an auxiliary tank from a lawnmower tank or even a plastic container for my Kawasaki ZX11, strap it in properly and use a tank cover over it. The ZX11 is just so heavy with a laden tank of gas, from empty to full, the weight increase was about 15Kg if i recall correctly. As a thumb rule always remember that for every 4lbs you lose, you gain 1 hp - a lighter bike is always a faster bike.
Check your oil level. Try to change the oil if it has been a while to ensure that you have the best engine protection possible. The engine will be working especially hard on the track and dirty oil makes the job harder.
Drain your radiator and replace the glycol based coolant with water and a coolant substitute, such as Water Wetter or Engine Ice - these really keep the bike cool - i managed to get some in Delhi a long time ago and i do believe i saw some at the Moolchand gas station one day. Unfortunately, glycol based coolants are not allowed on the racetrack since they do not evaporate and leave the track surface slick (like oil.)
Secure your wheel weights (taped) on the rims. It prevents them from flying off while you are at high speed. Prevents injury to other riders too.
Make sure you have good valve stems and valve caps on your wheels.
If you have auxiliary lights, it is a good idea to remove them. If they are fork mounted, they adversely affect handling and if they are frame mounted, they may become damaged in the event of a dropped bike. If you leave the lights on, tape them up. (If you have an on/off switch, leave them off. If you cannot turn them off, remove the fuse.)
Ride the Busa in traction mode - i believe its the one you would probably use when it's raining. I wouldn't try going all out. Get a feel for the track, get into the corners early and don't exit to hard. The plan initially is for you to get a good feeling for several laps. As you get comfortable, you can go a little harder or change modes.

And here's an important thing i have learnt in my 23 years of riding - don't throw caution to the wind, just ride safe, be one with the bike and enjoy the track

**spiderweb** · 05-12-2009, 04:08 AM

Am not into SBK'eing, but watever knowledge I got, BUSA IS NOT A TRACK BIKE I guess!!!

It was 20th Feb, 2005... Will never forget that day.
Saw the Rider Karan Singh crash on a BUSA @ 250 kmph at Speed Run 2005 on Bandra Reclaimation, Mumbai. He was a mess after crash & it was just a quarter mile rush...
& you on the other hand would be trying cornering n stuff on tracks. BUSA is a damn heavy bike!(ofcourse you know that better)

Anyways, Take care n RIDE SAFE...

**hydbusa08** · 05-12-2009, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by kriss View Post

Posting this on behalf of hydbusa(wasim)

Guys, need a small help from you all. As you all know i own a busa 08 model, in my next visit to india, i'm planning to hit chennai track. I'm totally new for a track ride.

All i need is,

1. Suggest me the kind of changes needed to the busa before hitting the track ?

So far the bike stock, except for the double bubble screen.

All the inputs from experts would be great....

Thanks Kirss

- Wasim

Originally posted by gsferrari View Post

Having no prior track experience, taking on MMSC on a Busa is an exercise that can only end in tears. My suggestion is to keep the Busa for the road and buy an R15 for the first few trackdays. Then you can move up the power ladder.

If you insist despite this warning, equip the bike with racing soft rubber (pirelli supercorsa or better) and keep it in the most mild power map. No coolant...only water allowed on track. Lose the bottom fairings to save you some money if you crash. Install frame and swingarm sliders. More than the bike, equip yourself with full leathers, gauntlet gloves, racing boots and a top-spec helmet.

I wouldnt recommend taking the busa to the track. There isnt enough track for that bike. Anything more than a 600 on this track is just not going to work well.

Hi Gsferrari, I really appricate your comments will keep in mind and will try 100+cc bike before taking Busa on track.

Originally posted by tronxk View Post

Hey Kris, Wasim

This may help. It's a step by step list in addition to what gsferrari has posted and should hold you in good stead.

Clean your motorcycle. This allows you to double check all key areas to make sure nothing is loose (which will be relevant in step 10.) It also makes it easier to check the motorcycle at technical inspection (the day of the event.)
Remove your center stand. Does the 2008 Busa have one? This is for safety on the track. Almost all organizations require center stand removal. This is especially true for the more advanced (and therefore faster) groups. Some organizations and tracks may ask you to also remove your kickstand (side stand.)
Remove or tape up your mirrors. Sometimes removal is not an option, since it may be the only way your fairing is supported. In that case, tape up the mirrors so that if they contact the ground, the glass does not fall out on to the track surface. Or you can use block off plates if you have them.
Tape up your headlight(s)and signals. This includes the tail light and license plate light. If you can, remove the fuse for the headlight. With the headlight off, it reduces that chance of tape residue sticking to your headlight. Make sure to put the fuse back in before riding on the street again. Or, you can use block off plates if you have them. It also saves money if you drop the bike. The headlight is expensive.
Check all of your controls, meaning clutch cable, throttle cable, brake lever, clutch lever, rear brake lever, and kill switch for proper operation. If they fail tech, you will have to get them fixed before you are allowed on the track. Doing it before you get to the track saves you stress if you have to do it while you are at the track. You are anticipating getting on the track and now you have to work on the motorcycle. Very stressful and that really sucks ......
When you check your brakes, make sure you have enough brake pad material to make it through the event. Riding hard on the racetrack will also cause you to use your brakes even harder. If you have new brakes pads installed before the event, try to get them seated and bedded in before the event.
Check your tires, both for tread wear and depth. Usually new or nearly new tires are required in order to pass tech inspection. Badly worn tires will not pass tech and you may also be able to notice any unusual wear patterns on your tires, which might save you some aggravation early. An example of unusual wear would be bald sides on your front tire with tread in the center. This would indicate low front tire pressure, with the tire (tread) smoothing out while leaned over (turning) but keeping its shape while riding straight up and down.
Check your tire pressures and inspect your rims for damage (see step above.) You will probably have to adjust tire pressures before you get on the track, depending on various factors: your weight, the brand, the temperature, and the track surface. Check with your owner's manual, the track day organization, and your local tire representative for the best pressures for those conditions - hmmmm local tire representative .... i don't think we have those here.
Clean and check your chain for proper slack and lubrication. You should not have a chain that is too loose or too tight. Check your owners manual for proper slack. Also make sure your chain is lubricated to prevent binding.
Make sure all your bodywork is properly supported and fastened. Do not have loose or flapping bodywork, it will fail tech inspection. Try not to have other loose, flapping objects on your motorcycle. You will be asked to have those items removed before you can pass tech inspection and are allowed on the track. If you can, loose the fairing and put on aftermarket bodywork. It will save you a lot of money.
Also, here is an idea i have always had and have wanted to do for a long time - it was to make an auxiliary tank from a lawnmower tank or even a plastic container for my Kawasaki ZX11, strap it in properly and use a tank cover over it. The ZX11 is just so heavy with a laden tank of gas, from empty to full, the weight increase was about 15Kg if i recall correctly. As a thumb rule always remember that for every 4lbs you lose, you gain 1 hp - a lighter bike is always a faster bike.
Check your oil level. Try to change the oil if it has been a while to ensure that you have the best engine protection possible. The engine will be working especially hard on the track and dirty oil makes the job harder.
Drain your radiator and replace the glycol based coolant with water and a coolant substitute, such as Water Wetter or Engine Ice - these really keep the bike cool - i managed to get some in Delhi a long time ago and i do believe i saw some at the Moolchand gas station one day. Unfortunately, glycol based coolants are not allowed on the racetrack since they do not evaporate and leave the track surface slick (like oil.)
Secure your wheel weights (taped) on the rims. It prevents them from flying off while you are at high speed. Prevents injury to other riders too.
Make sure you have good valve stems and valve caps on your wheels.
If you have auxiliary lights, it is a good idea to remove them. If they are fork mounted, they adversely affect handling and if they are frame mounted, they may become damaged in the event of a dropped bike. If you leave the lights on, tape them up. (If you have an on/off switch, leave them off. If you cannot turn them off, remove the fuse.)
Ride the Busa in traction mode - i believe its the one you would probably use when it's raining. I wouldn't try going all out. Get a feel for the track, get into the corners early and don't exit to hard. The plan initially is for you to get a good feeling for several laps. As you get comfortable, you can go a little harder or change modes.

And here's an important thing i have learnt in my 23 years of riding - don't throw caution to the wind, just ride safe, be one with the bike and enjoy the track

tronxk, Thanks for explanation in details. pls find the below link where i touched 280km/h. will surely contact you before going to chennai track. http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/80653...25407237_7THH7

Originally posted by spiderweb View Post

Am not into SBK'eing, but watever knowledge I got, BUSA IS NOT A TRACK BIKE I guess!!!

It was 20th Feb, 2005... Will never forget that day.
Saw the Rider Karan Singh crash on a BUSA @ 250 kmph at Speed Run 2005 on Bandra Reclaimation, Mumbai. He was a mess after crash & it was just a quarter mile rush...
& you on the other hand would be trying cornering n stuff on tracks. BUSA is a damn heavy bike!(ofcourse you know that better)

Anyways, Take care n RIDE SAFE...

Thanks spiderweb, good know that everyone is concern about my life and i really appreciate that. pls keep sending good suggestions as well as good advises how to drive safely on track. click to watch 280km/h. http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/80653...25407237_7THH7

**tronxk** · 05-12-2009, 03:12 PM

hey spiderweb,

You are right - its not a track bike at all. Great for drags though if you have the guts, sense and control.

I have no idea about the MMSC or its size but if it is big enough, there is no harm doing several laps at a sensible speed. You don't have to go all out trying to do 200. Riding it at 70 - 100 km/hr is okay. If you get a nice long straight, maybe you can go a little faster.

It is just about riding on a track if you have never done it before and just that bit of experience you get after a couple of hours of track riding can be quite rewarding

**tronxk** · 05-12-2009, 03:18 PM

saw your video hydbusa08.

SCARY!!!!!!

What did it feel like at 280 on the Busa? Did you ever feel at anytime that you didn't have control of the bike or did it behave well? Very curious.

Thanks for sharing the video.

Ride safe

**kriss** · 05-12-2009, 03:18 PM

@all: thanks for the valuable suggestions.

**HydBiker** · 05-12-2009, 03:28 PM

^^^ here's another valuable suggestion...

@Waseem, if this Kriss bugger tries to convince you for gold colour alloys saying they give better stability or what so ever, don't fall for that. He's hell bent on screwing that beautiful white elephant's looks

**hydbusa08** · 05-12-2009, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by tronxk View Post

saw your video hydbusa08.

SCARY!!!!!!

What did it feel like at 280 on the Busa? Did you ever feel at anytime that you didn't have control of the bike or did it behave well? Very curious.

Thanks for sharing the video.

Ride safe

Tronxk,

It was a great feeling @280 and i was feeling like i can touch 300 easly in full control! well next time will try. Busa is beautiful bike and has good control. somewhre i was reading top speed of Busa is 397kh/h so, 280 is nothing. Also, i did 160km/h in first gear within few seconds.

**spiderweb** · 05-12-2009, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by tronxk View Post

hey spiderweb,
You are right - its not a track bike at all. Great for drags though if you have the guts, sense and control.

Originally posted by hydbusa08 View Post

Thanks spiderweb, good know that everyone is concern about my life and i really appreciate that. pls keep sending good suggestions as well as good advises how to drive safely on track. click to watch 280km/h. WASIM at 280 Kmph

BUSA for instance happens to be my fav bike. Its not like that ke it cant corner or stuff. thers one of my friend Speedy (I hope you know him), works with Zigwheels n I saw him test ride the BUSA09 at Lavasa ghats... he was like cornering at 130-150 kmph. & just a few mins back 4 of our very skilled riders had a very bad crash on the same curve. n that curve happens to be a very risky blind turn n a common spots for crashers. But Speedy was doing it carefree & calmly, man BUSA's breaking power @ 150-180 kmph is just awesome.
So ofcourse you can try too n tracks are evn safer than ghats, but still have proper gear n Best of luck with that.
RIDE SAFE...

P.S: the Video is Scary man, yet a dream for me to achieve some day...

**hydbusa08** · 05-12-2009, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by spiderweb View Post

BUSA for instance happens to be my fav bike. Its not like that ke it cant corner or stuff. thers one of my friend Speedy (I hope you know him), works with Zigwheels n I saw him test ride the BUSA09 at Lavasa ghats... he was like cornering at 130-150 kmph. & just a few mins back 4 of our very skilled riders had a very bad crash on the same curve. n that curve happens to be a very risky blind turn n a common spots for crashers. But Speedy was doing it carefree & calmly, man BUSA's breaking power @ 150-180 kmph is just awesome.
So ofcourse you can try too n tracks are evn safer than ghats, but still have proper gear n Best of luck with that.
RIDE SAFE...

P.S: the Video is Scary man, yet a dream for me to achieve some day...

Thanks for the comments will surely have proper gear before my next ride.

Why you say scary? be positive so you'll achive that speed one day for sure.

**kar1zma** · 05-12-2009, 09:06 PM

amazing stuff there wasim

i have myself touched 279 on my zx10r on 5th gear

**ken cool** · 05-12-2009, 11:02 PM

I will keep a close watch on this one. This is becoming interesting. A lot of useful information going in here.
Kriss, all the best for your preps!

@All : thanks for your useful inputs.

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