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  • Bajaj Avenger 150 Self Start problem

    First of All I am an two wheeler's motorcycle Mechanic

    problem:
    A friend of mine have Bajaj Avenger 150
    which have the problem of Delay in Self Start
    how the delay in self occurs-
    1st self starts
    2nd self delay of 3 sec
    3rd self starts
    4th self delay again of 3 sec
    5th 3 sec delay
    6th starts
    and randomly delays occurs
    and when delay occurs , the display,reading etc goes off for 3 sec and turns on again.


    tried solutions-

    1. have changed the self start carbon brushes with original ones - still same problem
    2. self motor is easily rotating and not jammed ,its free - tested outside the bike
    3. have tried changing battery but - still the same problem
    4. terminals are also not loose
    5. changed starter relay - still same problem
    6. checked the terminal voltage by multi-meter while performing self
    when the bike starts it goes to 11.4v
    and when it delays it gets to 4v for 3 sec
    when ideal its voltage is 14.8v (battery+RRunit output)
    Tried with new battery still the same readings.
    don't know where the self is getting stuck for 3 sec as if it don't have that much power
    but then after 2-3 self bike gets started as normal.

    Ok so know i Need solution on this delay
    as it is draining the battery
    need suggestions of all please

    Thankyou,
    Last edited by aumer98; 03-02-2020, 05:33 PM. Reason: Problem solved

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    Re: Bajaj Avenger 150 Self Start problem

    Topic Approved.

    If so many components are ok, then could it be due to wiring issue? Maybe its getting short-circuited somewhere? Can you test with multimeter?

    Although CDI is not related to this, but have you tried CDI change with a similar bike's CDI for testing?
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    • #3
      Re: Bajaj Avenger 150 Self Start problem

      Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
      Topic Approved.

      If so many components are ok, then could it be due to wiring issue? Maybe its getting short-circuited somewhere? Can you test with multimeter?

      Although CDI is not related to this, but have you tried CDI change with a similar bike's CDI for testing?
      Wiring is untouched
      I don't see any short-circuit
      Tried giving direct battery current to self motor
      Still it delays 2-3 times and then works and again delays.
      CDI, i don't think so
      Coz bike starts easily in gear in only one attempt

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      • #4
        Re: Bajaj Avenger 150 Self Start problem

        Originally posted by aumer98 View Post
        Wiring is untouched
        I don't see any short-circuit
        Tried giving direct battery current to self motor
        Still it delays 2-3 times and then works and again delays.
        CDI, i don't think so
        Coz bike starts easily in gear in only one attempt
        Hmm... Could the self start motor's capacitor be at fault? or maybe capacitor's wire is broken or so? That's the only way we can explain delay in starting of motor.
        Maybe the stalled (for 2-3 seconds) motor causes the circuitry to lose power, and meter is shut down?

        Try another motor, if you can... would it be practical for you?
        Last edited by Samarth 619; 02-12-2020, 02:47 PM.
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        Indian riding = Alertness, Anticipation and Adjustment.

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        • #5
          Re: Bajaj Avenger 150 Self Start problem

          Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
          Hmm... Could the self start motor's capacitor be at fault? or maybe capacitor's wire is broken or so? That's the only way we can explain delay in starting of motor.
          Maybe the stalled (for 2-3 seconds) motor causes the circuitry to lose power, and meter is shut down?

          Try another motor, if you can... would it be practical for you?
          I Will check the capacitor
          And also it was i mind to change the armature of self motor i will try that too
          And yes the meter gets reset every time the delay occurrs
          + also tried give an extra battery force (total 24v of two batterys) direct to motor, still the delay occurred.

          I will try your suggestion and comment here

          Thank bro

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          • #6
            Re: Bajaj Avenger 150 Self Start problem

            Originally posted by aumer98 View Post
            First of All I am an two wheeler's motorcycle Mechanic

            problem:
            A friend of mine have Bajaj Avenger 150
            which have the problem of Delay in Self Start
            how the delay in self occurs-
            1st self starts
            2nd self delay of 3 sec
            3rd self starts
            4th self delay again of 3 sec
            5th 3 sec delay
            6th starts
            and randomly delays occurs
            and when delay occurs , the display,reading etc goes off for 3 sec and turns on again.


            tried solutions-

            1. have changed the self start carbon brushes with original ones - still same problem
            2. self motor is easily rotating and not jammed ,its free - tested outside the bike
            3. have tried changing battery but - still the same problem
            4. terminals are also not loose
            5. changed starter relay - still same problem
            6. checked the terminal voltage by multi-meter while performing self
            when the bike starts it goes to 11.4v
            and when it delays it gets to 4v for 3 sec
            when ideal its voltage is 14.8v (battery+RRunit output)
            Tried with new battery still the same readings.
            don't know where the self is getting stuck for 3 sec as if it don't have that much power
            but then after 2-3 self bike gets started as normal.

            Ok so know i Need solution on this delay
            as it is draining the battery
            need suggestions of all please

            Thankyou,
            Have you checked RR unit which is used to charge the battery.

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            • #7
              Re: Bajaj Avenger 150 Self Start problem

              Originally posted by aumer98 View Post
              First of All I am an two wheeler's motorcycle Mechanic

              problem:
              A friend of mine have Bajaj Avenger 150
              which have the problem of Delay in Self Start
              how the delay in self occurs-
              1st self starts
              2nd self delay of 3 sec
              3rd self starts
              4th self delay again of 3 sec
              5th 3 sec delay
              6th starts
              and randomly delays occurs
              and when delay occurs , the display,reading etc goes off for 3 sec and turns on again.


              tried solutions-

              1. have changed the self start carbon brushes with original ones - still same problem
              2. self motor is easily rotating and not jammed ,its free - tested outside the bike
              3. have tried changing battery but - still the same problem
              4. terminals are also not loose
              5. changed starter relay - still same problem
              6. checked the terminal voltage by multi-meter while performing self
              when the bike starts it goes to 11.4v
              and when it delays it gets to 4v for 3 sec
              when ideal its voltage is 14.8v (battery+RRunit output)
              Tried with new battery still the same readings.
              don't know where the self is getting stuck for 3 sec as if it don't have that much power
              but then after 2-3 self bike gets started as normal.

              Ok so know i Need solution on this delay
              as it is draining the battery
              need suggestions of all please

              Thankyou,
              Check self start position. Gear position. I'm thinking problem isn't electrical but mechanical. It has to do with the crank that the starter spins. Maybe the bearings are gone and cause the crank itself to not spin freely. If all electricals are fine then only mechanical explanation remains. Take the head off and spin the crank by hand using a breaker bar and see if there is any resistance even the minutest resistance can cause problems.

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              • #8
                Re: Bajaj Avenger 150 Self Start problem

                Originally posted by niranjanreddy891 View Post
                Have you checked RR unit which is used to charge the battery.
                Yes i have checked it, its working

                Originally posted by Balgi View Post
                Check self start position. Gear position. I'm thinking problem isn't electrical but mechanical. It has to do with the crank that the starter spins. Maybe the bearings are gone and cause the crank itself to not spin freely. If all electricals are fine then only mechanical explanation remains. Take the head off and spin the crank by hand using a breaker bar and see if there is any resistance even the minutest resistance can cause problems.
                Checked bro their is no problem in crank or bearing,
                Even i can rotate the magnet with hands easily
                And felt no hardness in rotation
                Given an selft armature order to varroc
                It will be available in week.

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                • #9
                  Re: Bajaj Avenger 150 Self Start problem

                  Originally posted by aumer98 View Post
                  Yes i have checked it, its working


                  Checked bro their is no problem in crank or bearing,
                  Even i can rotate the magnet with hands easily
                  And felt no hardness in rotation
                  Given an selft armature order to varroc
                  It will be available in week.
                  Is the issue solved bro?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Bajaj Avenger 150 Self Start problem

                    Originally posted by niranjanreddy891 View Post
                    Is the issue solved bro?
                    Added a 9ah battery to avenger 150
                    Its 2days now up today no delay
                    Waiting for week to get over
                    As 9ah is hard to discharge

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                    • #11
                      Re: Bajaj Avenger 150 Self Start problem

                      I think the problem is solved now
                      Upgraded 5ah battery to 9ah, in avenger 150.
                      It a week now so far no problem to self start no delay,

                      I think it was battery fault, giving low amps out
                      Thank everyone for suggestions 🙂

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