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    Hi guys,
    First of all BIG thanks to administrators,I am finally authorized to post a thread. All these days I have gone through some post's at xbhp forums, I did like all the users view. I did register to xbhp day before yesterday and since then I have been waiting to post a thread. Ok, now lets get back to the topic. I have a cbz 2000 model and have a k&n airfilter. At the 1st attempt I plugged in the k&n directly 2 the carburettor, I was facing some problems with it. When reved up and holded the accelerator at constant 4000-5000rpm the bike would give hitches like it was about to switch into reserve but still there was loads of petrol. That time it probably needed upjetting though. Then I pulled it out and fixed the air filter to the air filter box and its running flawlessly since then. and yeah forgot to mention. I did polish the head and base gasket assembly and also did polish the exhaust outlet and the carb outlet and used the three bond rubber paste for sealing. After this mod I was quite happy with the engine. My mechanic told that he replaced the piston rings buh the piston still has problem's. He said you can assume that your engine is healthy 80% rest 20% is because of the piston and i didn't take the pain of replacing the piston as it is tadd too expensive. My bike now screams, The feel is very diffrent than from the stock. I have already done all these mods and would like some more information on how to increase the performance? I have reached 110kmph on speedo,It doesnt seem to have much of error. Here are my queries
    1. Would I need to upjet and get the needed performance? Where would I get the jets and of what size is recommended? Old cbz hav 105 jet size I guess, can i use ZMA's jet probably 135 or any other?
    2. The attainded speed is too low when you think of a bike which has undergone so many changes, I would like to increase it? I would like to know which rear sprocket to fit? I have a 46T rear sprocket? What if i fit in 43T rear sprocket of CBZ Xtreme? In Xbhp i read that rear sprocket size should'nt be increased by more than three teeths? The technician in some thread mentioned that cbz having ambition's rear sprocket can cruise at 100kms/hr at 6.6k rev's. But the ambition is having a 38t Rear sprocket I guess which might overload the engine and the bike would loose all its pickup? So please suggest me which sprocket to use?
    3. One of senior XBHP members mentioned in some forums that the diameter of exhaust at the opening mouth and the closing mouth's diameter are same, then a exhaust is said to be a free flow exhaust. I have a stock exhaust on my cbz. The opening diameter is more compared to the closing one. So can I polish the closing mouth or can I do anything else to match the diameter of the opening and make the stock exhaust a free flow exhuast?
    Thanks a lot to all of the XBHP memeber's...........Keep Posting
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    Query Moved and Approved.
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    • #3
      Please help me someone? I am very desperate to put in new sprockets and test the results!
      "At speeds of 160 Miles Per Hour or say 257.44Kilometer Per Hour You realize the actual speed of your life, Life is Supersonically Fast, Don't miss anything, cause you know it wont come back to you again"

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      • #4
        I'll suggest nothing lower than a 42T sprocket. That should give you around 14.4kmh/1000RPM or 100km/h at 7000 . 100km/h at 6000RPM is a tall order, I doubt your bike makes much power to pull well in top with 38 T.
        Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on.

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        • #5
          Ricci

          Originally posted by Ricci View Post
          I'll suggest nothing lower than a 42T sprocket. That should give you around 14.4kmh/1000RPM or 100km/h at 7000 . 100km/h at 6000RPM is a tall order, I doubt your bike makes much power to pull well in top with 38 T.
          Thanx Ricci for the much needed advice, Could you please suggest which bike has 42T in the rear and which one would be direct fit for my cbz classic? I have my eye on cbz extreme's 43T. The engine has lots of torque will dyno tommorrow and put up the results. Its goes past 7000rpm. 9.5k-10k is what it touches max. The engine basically has lots of grunt in it. Only that its not being used the right way to put up something more than 110km/hr on speedo!
          "At speeds of 160 Miles Per Hour or say 257.44Kilometer Per Hour You realize the actual speed of your life, Life is Supersonically Fast, Don't miss anything, cause you know it wont come back to you again"

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          • #6
            The Pulsar classic had a 42T sprocket IIRC, don't remember any others . How much power is the bike making post-mods, what RPM does it reach comfortably in top ? A stock CBZ on stock gearing would touch just around 8000-8500RPM, and how have you verified the speedo error part ? Past 7000RPM ( but under 8000 ) with current mods suggests the bike has lost power, actually, or are you saying it does 9.5k in top gear ?
            Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on.

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            • #7
              Ricci

              Originally posted by Ricci View Post
              The Pulsar classic had a 42T sprocket IIRC, don't remember any others . How much power is the bike making post-mods, what RPM does it reach comfortably in top ? A stock CBZ on stock gearing would touch just around 8000-8500RPM, and how have you verified the speedo error part ? Past 7000RPM ( but under 8000 ) with current mods suggests the bike has lost power, actually, or are you saying it does 9.5k in top gear ?
              Thanx Ricci, I would try and get 42T rear sprocket of pulsar, Lets see what I come up with. As I told dude, The bike has lots of grunt. Since I bought second hand, it was all messed up and I did paid to lot to get it back as it was before, Coming out of factory. This is the detailed mod I have done to the engine. I was unable to get the dyno done today, But will post the dyno results 2morrow. So here are the mod's, you can then assume what it rev's up to in top gear.
              1. Piston rings, have been changed and I have put factory CBZ classic piston rings.
              2. Clutch plates were badly worn out, So replaced them yet with factory CBZ classic clutch plates.
              3. Polished the head and gasket assembly and shaved off 0.7mm(EXACTLY)
              4. Did a normal polish to exhaust outlet in the engine, and also the carburettor intake.
              5. Sealed the entire engine block with 3 bond rubber paste.
              6. Using Petronas Sprinta 4T Fully systnetic oil, 10W40 grade.
              7. Fixed an K&N airfilter in the airfilter box, and have removed the sponge material and from the airfilters box which covers the other side of the filter, I have removed it it to mainatin free flow of air to the k&n filter.

              Post these mods, my cbz lifts up from the ground, not much but a few inches, evrytime I am shifting gears in high rev's i.e...4k-5k. The 1st,2nd and 3rd gears does the same thing and later while shifting gears from 3rd, 4th and 5th it remains stable on the ground.

              Had to do the clutch setting coz the the bike was burning rubber when it started off. And finally got it resolved. But withclutch settings done still the lifting up problem persists. Now you would be able to make out something out of this. Thanks a million dude, keep posting!
              "At speeds of 160 Miles Per Hour or say 257.44Kilometer Per Hour You realize the actual speed of your life, Life is Supersonically Fast, Don't miss anything, cause you know it wont come back to you again"

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              • #8
                I am using ZMA's sprocket in my 2000 model Cbz and i am quite happy with its performance...Top end of the bike is around 125km/hr. as shown in the meter..You can try Zma's sprocket.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by kunjalsingh View Post
                  I am using ZMA's sprocket in my 2000 model Cbz and i am quite happy with its performance...Top end of the bike is around 125km/hr. as shown in the meter..You can try Zma's sprocket.
                  Thanx kunjal for the suggestion, but have you tried the cbz extreme's rear sprocket. What sprocket did you have earlier? I currently have 46T rear sprocket and going from 46T to 40T rear would make awfully lots of diffrence as i would be lossing all the low end torque and I would have problems driving in heavy traffic conditions! Where I have to do lots of gearshifts!
                  "At speeds of 160 Miles Per Hour or say 257.44Kilometer Per Hour You realize the actual speed of your life, Life is Supersonically Fast, Don't miss anything, cause you know it wont come back to you again"

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                  • #10
                    Ricci

                    Originally posted by Ricci View Post
                    The Pulsar classic had a 42T sprocket IIRC, don't remember any others . How much power is the bike making post-mods, what RPM does it reach comfortably in top ? A stock CBZ on stock gearing would touch just around 8000-8500RPM, and how have you verified the speedo error part ? Past 7000RPM ( but under 8000 ) with current mods suggests the bike has lost power, actually, or are you saying it does 9.5k in top gear ?
                    Hi ricci back again. What do you say like why do you think that with the current mod the bike has lost power? When i rev up. I seriously dont think that the bike has lost power or something similar? Anyways I have checked this again and on an empty piece of road. The bike is doing more than 8k's. With the road flat out, I achieved 8.8k's, but reached the end of the road till then. The top end got changed. from 110kmph to 118kmph. Couldnt do the dyno as only wasan bajaj people have the dyno sets and bikes other than bajaj they were sayin strict no,no. What do you make out of this. Actually my mechanic got a zma's sprocket. Can i try and fit those. Will need your feedback as we know that zma has 40T rear. Enquired about the whole zma chain, sprocket in HH showroom. They say its for Rs.836. I cant affort to replace the whole chain sprockets. Can you please tell me what can i do now?
                    "At speeds of 160 Miles Per Hour or say 257.44Kilometer Per Hour You realize the actual speed of your life, Life is Supersonically Fast, Don't miss anything, cause you know it wont come back to you again"

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                    • #11
                      Thought so because you wrote it does 7000RPM ( and not more ). 8800 in top is good , if the clutch isn't slipping and tacho is reading right. If there are bikes with a 41 or 42 tooth sprocket, that should work optimally. Smaller sprockets than that are on the 200cc+ bikes which have larger chains ,ZMA has a wider, larger pitch chain , it's sprocket will not run on the CBZ stock set. That's why you have to look within the 150-180cc bikes.
                      Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on.

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                      • #12
                        Ricci

                        Originally posted by Ricci View Post
                        Thought so because you wrote it does 7000RPM ( and not more ). 8800 in top is good , if the clutch isn't slipping and tacho is reading right. If there are bikes with a 41 or 42 tooth sprocket, that should work optimally. Smaller sprockets than that are on the 200cc+ bikes which have larger chains ,ZMA has a wider, larger pitch chain , it's sprocket will not run on the CBZ stock set. That's why you have to look within the 150-180cc bikes.
                        I got that sir, Thanx a lot once again. Two months before I got the clutch plates changed. New cbz classic clutch plates. Was about to put in the zma ones but were tadd too expensive. They are not too old jus 2000kms tacho is reading the right I can make it out with the sound. The zma sprockets are for 850 bucks which would be expensive. Where would i be able to get just the rear sprockets? Coz these people here have the whole set of chain as well as both the front and rear sprockets.And 1 more question my bike is giving mileage of 35kms/ltr. I guess the mixture is running lean. Shall i do the jet setting?
                        "At speeds of 160 Miles Per Hour or say 257.44Kilometer Per Hour You realize the actual speed of your life, Life is Supersonically Fast, Don't miss anything, cause you know it wont come back to you again"

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                        • #13
                          Ricci

                          Originally posted by Ricci View Post
                          Thought so because you wrote it does 7000RPM ( and not more ). 8800 in top is good , if the clutch isn't slipping and tacho is reading right. If there are bikes with a 41 or 42 tooth sprocket, that should work optimally. Smaller sprockets than that are on the 200cc+ bikes which have larger chains ,ZMA has a wider, larger pitch chain , it's sprocket will not run on the CBZ stock set. That's why you have to look within the 150-180cc bikes.
                          And could you also please post the sprocket chart or sprocket's size's of Zma,Hunk,Xtreme,Cbz*,cbz classic and achiever model of hero honda. Thank-You!
                          "At speeds of 160 Miles Per Hour or say 257.44Kilometer Per Hour You realize the actual speed of your life, Life is Supersonically Fast, Don't miss anything, cause you know it wont come back to you again"

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                          • #14
                            ZMA sprocket

                            Originally posted by kunjalsingh View Post
                            I am using ZMA's sprocket in my 2000 model Cbz and i am quite happy with its performance...Top end of the bike is around 125km/hr. as shown in the meter..You can try Zma's sprocket.
                            Could you please mention if you have done any mod's to the engine? I am planning to get the entire chain set with sprockets of zma, have you experienced any hikup's while driving in trafiic...such as knocking or something like that....??? Please post your experience with cbz using zma's sprocket?
                            "At speeds of 160 Miles Per Hour or say 257.44Kilometer Per Hour You realize the actual speed of your life, Life is Supersonically Fast, Don't miss anything, cause you know it wont come back to you again"

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                            • #15
                              Ricci

                              Originally posted by Ricci View Post
                              Thought so because you wrote it does 7000RPM ( and not more ). 8800 in top is good , if the clutch isn't slipping and tacho is reading right. If there are bikes with a 41 or 42 tooth sprocket, that should work optimally. Smaller sprockets than that are on the 200cc+ bikes which have larger chains ,ZMA has a wider, larger pitch chain , it's sprocket will not run on the CBZ stock set. That's why you have to look within the 150-180cc bikes.
                              I am panning to get entire zma's chain sprocket. What do you think? Will it be worth the money?
                              "At speeds of 160 Miles Per Hour or say 257.44Kilometer Per Hour You realize the actual speed of your life, Life is Supersonically Fast, Don't miss anything, cause you know it wont come back to you again"

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