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**vijith.unnithan** · 11-05-2009, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by velociraptor13 View Post

1-As per my observation,ki-ho performs best with the Idemitsu kinetic 2t oil(if its still available),else castrol jettix is good but its a tad thicker than the former.
2-I guess the scoots getting too much oil.Hence smoking.
3-spark plug for kinetic and activa are different.
4-Use the oe filter.

ps-i have a ki ho marvel

Hey Velo....

I will check to see if i can get hold of that oil

is there a particular quantity of oil that should be put in. Am new to this bike and since i dont have a reference am not sure.

What is the spark plug that is being used for Kinetic, since you have a marvel, it should be the same.

**Raccoon** · 11-06-2009, 02:04 AM

Originally posted by psycho 98 View Post

So you mean to say that a seized two stroke engine will never run, rite !!

Yes... for obvious reasons. Or you got some new definition for the term?

Originally posted by vid_powerstroke View Post

any seized engine can be made to run ... u kno what happens when an engine seizes ? the piston gets jammed.... instead of moving up and down as it normally should , it will jam.. coz the piston would have swollen coz it not getting proper cooling... once it swells it doesnt return back to normal condition...sadly........ the piston now need to be hammered out of its socket....

Interesting theories there mate...

Originally posted by vijith.unnithan View Post

Have done it and it did make a difference. The smoke emits at a speed of 30 and higher and when i take a pillion.

I need to check the spark plug. i don have any manual to refer it but can i take the same grade as a Activa or Dio - Champion P-RZ HC

Am planning to change the air filter as i removed and it is not in good shape. Shall i use Urethane Foam (Dio Air Filter)

The silencer is welded. I noticed it when i removed the panel. Can i change the silencer to a new one.

Don't do guesswork about the plug dude. Worst case, at least check up the plug manufacturer's recommendation chart.

Best to use the stock air filter.

Seems the silencer was decarbed by the previous owner. Might be a good idea to change it.

As for the oil, Idemitsu Ki Ho oil is available. I saw several bottles in a shop very recently. I would still suggest you try the oils mentioned previously. As for how much to put in, you are using the pump, right? Then all you have to do is fill up the oil tank... or at least most of it!

**vijith.unnithan** · 11-06-2009, 02:11 AM

Don't do guesswork about the plug dude. Worst case, at least check up the plug manufacturer's recommendation chart.

Best to use the stock air filter.

Seems the silencer was decarbed by the previous owner. Might be a good idea to change it.

As for the oil, Idemitsu Ki Ho oil is available. I saw several bottles in a shop very recently. I would still suggest you try the oils mentioned previously. As for how much to put in, you are using the pump, right? Then all you have to do is fill up the oil tank... or at least most of it![/QUOTE]

Thanks, Racoon.. will indeed check for the same plug if available and wil check for the oil too...

**psycho 98** · 11-06-2009, 02:29 AM

Yes... for obvious reasons. Or you got some new definition for the term?

Ya may be

**vid_powerstroke** · 11-06-2009, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by psycho 98 View Post

No i dont know ..

So the piston would jam not because of proper cooling, hmmm ok, so you mean to say that even without 2t oil, or proper rings clearance the engine will run fine with proper cooling, what do you mean by cooling actually ? these engines are air cooled engines, unlike like your P 220.

The piston doesnt get jam automatically, before seizeure the piston rings will expand in size ( this occurs due to no 2T supply or improper rings clearence worst case continnous non stop harsh riding with improper rings clearance), due to the expansion of rings there will be seizure marks on the liner which will void the free movement of the piston and drop in compression, period the compression goes down so u will automatically feeel drop in power mileage etc etc.

what is the running range ? are you refferring to runnin ? if yes then the thread starter has not posted he has got the rebore done, whay are you excited with marathon breaking leg etc etc ...

@ Vijith unnithan please do check your piston rings, if posssible do a compression check, this would give you a clear picture.

every engine has its own specific threshold of performance.. u being a rxbhpian already know that....obviously a engine cannot running just by proper cooling.. i know other factors imply..i have mentioned in my earlier posts that seizure occurs due to improper flow of engine oil... i never said no.. what happens when an engine is toooo hot to operate ?

an r15 has liqiud cooling.. my 220 still performs due to actual air cooling the engine oil being circulated in my oil cooler..the name oil cooler is just a gimmick.. we all fell for it..

the piston doesnt jam automatically... i even referred to in my earlier post that a wierd sound krrrr krrr krrr krrrr comes every time the piston does its usual round of up and down cyclic motion.. after that as u said , compression goes down drastically.. mileage also goes down..then if the person continues to ride, it'll seize..

@ vijith.. like psycho said, get ur engine overhauled..

RidE SaFe..

**vijith.unnithan** · 11-06-2009, 03:40 AM

Thanks a lot for your input, guys.

here are a set of things i will be doing this weekend:

1. Clean the carb.
2. Check Oil filter & Air filter; if req, replace them.
3. Check Spark Plug
4. Change the silencer as the one present is welded and could be a part of the problem
5. Check Piston Rings.

I will have these done and check to see if there are any changes to the performance of the bike compared to what it was. If i still feel that the bike is not upto the mark, i will come back with a list of questions

@psycho: you in Bangalore right? any idea where i can get Kiny's silencer. any shops u recommend. i wanted the old model itself which sits within the panel but i guess we don't get them anymore. Will an Activa silencer be a good choice again depending on the fit.

Cheers,

V

**Sarvajit** · 11-06-2009, 11:09 AM

@vijith.unnithan: Thanks for the info. As someone else said, if the bike has done 70K odd kms., it might be in for a new bore kit change.
As for the silencer, my Kinetic was the old inner type too, but I got it changed to the new outer type-it costed me Rs.850+Rs.50 fitting charges back in 2002. As that is the last model, I think the silencer should be still available. The fitting is very simple, I remember the mechanic doing it in 15-20min.!

**vijith.unnithan** · 11-06-2009, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post

@vijith.unnithan: Thanks for the info. As someone else said, if the bike has done 70K odd kms., it might be in for a new bore kit change.
As for the silencer, my Kinetic was the old inner type too, but I got it changed to the new outer type-it costed me Rs.850+Rs.50 fitting charges back in 2002. As that is the last model, I think the silencer should be still available. The fitting is very simple, I remember the mechanic doing it in 15-20min.!

Sure Sar... I will be checking the bore and other parts of the engine. I will check for the silencer as well if available, if not, i will got for the outer one...

**Sarvajit** · 11-06-2009, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by vijith.unnithan View Post

Sure Sar... I will be checking the bore and other parts of the engine. I will check for the silencer as well if available, if not, i will got for the outer one...

Outer one is actually better-it makes the engine sound very smooth&very less smoke also-I was pretty happy after getting mine converted.

**Nikhil Pereira** · 11-06-2009, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by vijith.unnithan View Post

Sure Sar... I will be checking the bore and other parts of the engine. I will check for the silencer as well if available, if not, i will got for the outer one...

the outer one you are reffering to is a cat-con one and designed fora 4 stroke bike, the Y2K was a 4 stroke bike. So i dont think u can just plonk it on to ur 2T ki-ho, i could be wrong though, so plz someone else throw some light on this

**velociraptor13** · 11-06-2009, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by vijith.unnithan View Post

Hey Velo....

I will check to see if i can get hold of that oil

is there a particular quantity of oil that should be put in. Am new to this bike and since i dont have a reference am not sure.

What is the spark plug that is being used for Kinetic, since you have a marvel, it should be the same.

2t oil tank capacity is 1litre.As far as the sp plug is concerned,i cant recall as the scooter is in my native place

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**velociraptor13** · 11-06-2009, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by Nikhil Pereira View Post

the outer one you are reffering to is a cat-con one and designed fora 4 stroke bike, the Y2K was a 4 stroke bike. So i dont think u can just plonk it on to ur 2T ki-ho, i could be wrong though, so plz someone else throw some light on this

err y2k wasn't a 4stroke scooter.

I guess you were refereeing to this silencer.The older silencer was the best,as the one with the cat con is very restrictive.
Below one is the y2k series,which was a 2s scoot

@vijith-dont go for the activa silencer as the pipe dia is different.

**Raccoon** · 11-06-2009, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by psycho 98 View Post

Ya may be

Mind sharing your definition?

**psycho 98** · 11-06-2009, 08:24 PM

Nver mind man, just leave it aside..

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